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[Oransel]

That's right. It's a bad, mediocre game. 

Redeeming features:

Garrus
Tuchanka arc
Rannoch arc
Weapon mods
Smooth combat system

What makes it bad? (bolded the parts that are intolerable)

Auto-dialogue. Canon Shep. Core of the game is abandoned.
Almost no side missions, but tons of fetch quests. Fact.
No Galaxy exploration. No vehicles. No little missions on the faraway planets.
No ME2 characters as a squadmates or even proper LI's. Fact.
Game is very short, compared to previous games. I am not speaking about main plots only.
Crucible. Asspull.
Choices did not matter that much. Rachni, geth, Collectors base have little to no consequence. 
Introduction/beginning. Bad writing from a C-class movie about wars.
Catalyst's existence. Very badly written Deux Ex Machina.
Overall plot is very weak - Kai Leng power armor, Cerberus and so on. Bad writing.
Bugs. Tons of them. 
Journal. How hard was to implement it?
Endings. just bad even with EC they deserve 4/10
Artistic integrity.
that stupid kid, and Shepard's nightmares about him.
the rest of the games are irrelevant thanks to the endings.
Tali's face.
Diana Allers.
Multiplayer affecting Singleplayer.
Citadel being moved through Relays.
Insults from Bioware.

Bad game is bad.

Modifié par Oransel, 23 juillet 2012 - 12:29 .

[BiO]

I would just like to point out auto-dialogue isn't necessarily a bad thing, I know some people who liked the change, saying that it made conversations much more smoother and realistic. I don't agree with them, but just saying, that that one is subjective.

Game being short, I'd disagree with as well. ME1 took me about 25-30 hours to complete (completionist on normal), ME2 - 25 hours (Insanity, Completionist), ME3 - 30 hours on Insanity, Completionist). The only one I'm not sure about is the ME1 one, but even it if were longer, it'd be because of fake exploration (don't get me wrong, I liked the Mako and going on planets, but there isn't exactly a lot of variety, and most of the side-quests and planets are copy-pasta).

[Naerivar]

Both the people who share and don't share your opinion are so convinced of their own right that they won't change their opinion just because you post a lot with several points. Even if you'd write a 600 page essay you'd not change any minds.

Maybe if you managed to create your own game, do everything Bioware should have done, evade everything Bioware shouldn't have done, you'll be able to convince that ME3 is atleast worse than your own game. That's as far as you'll get.

[grey_wind]

Objectively, ME3 is a good game, not great, taken as a stand alone title.
But compared to what came before it and what the devs made it out to be, it's a turd.

[Warden130]

Cool opinion bro,

[EnvyTB075]

I'd agree with average. It doesn't stand out but neither is it an unplayable mess like some devs put out these days.

Modifié par EnvyTB075, 13 juillet 2012 - 09:23 .

[Oransel]

Naerivar wrote...

Maybe if you managed to create your own game, do everything Bioware should have done, evade everything Bioware shouldn't have done, you'll be able to convince that ME3 is atleast worse than your own game. That's as far as you'll get.

I am not a game designer. I work in the other field and if I do my job right, I see no reason for Bioware not to do their's. If people won't like what I am doing and will criticize, it's their right.

[Rhayak]

It's sort of funny to see how the Multiplayer thread is mostly people enthusiastic about new upcoming stuff and new ways to try old stuff, while the story forum is all about ****ing.

Call me a fanboy if you will but seriously: you enjoyed a trilogy and now abjure the whole thing just because you didn't like the ending?

You make me SICK

[Oransel]

Rhayak wrote...

It's sort of funny to see how the Multiplayer thread is mostly people enthusiastic about new upcoming stuff and new ways to try old stuff, while the story forum is all about ****ing.

Call me a fanboy if you will but seriously: you enjoyed a trilogy and now abjure the whole thing just because you didn't like the ending?

You make me SICK

Go play CS or CoD. Battlefield maybe.

Modifié par Oransel, 13 juillet 2012 - 09:29 .

[Vinny]

No.

[Rhayak]

Oransel wrote...
Go play CS or CoD. Battlefield maybe.

Weakest answer conceivable

[Naerivar]

Oransel wrote...

Naerivar wrote...

Maybe if you managed to create your own game, do everything Bioware should have done, evade everything Bioware shouldn't have done, you'll be able to convince that ME3 is atleast worse than your own game. That's as far as you'll get.

I am not a game designer. I work in the other field and if I do my job right, I see no reason for Bioware not to do their's. If people won't like what I am doing and will criticize, it's their right.

Oh, I'm not saying you should make the game. or that you can't complain. My point was that it is of little use anymore, other than mayhap releasing your own frustration (a valid reason), and more importantly it doesn't add anything new anymore. Just about everybody here knows what you posted. And reposting them again will not change their opinion. Though you are of course entitled to post your opinion.

[Oransel]

Ilgar92 wrote...

You forgot about that stupid kid, and Shepard's nightmares about him.

Fixed

[Adugan]

You forgot about how the rest of the games are irrelevant.

[Grand Wazoo]

I wouldn't say flat out bad, just a mediocre game, great as a stand alone but only an average ending to the trilogy. Certainly not unplayable anymore but the single biggest thing that makes the game in my eyes only average (besides the obvious flaws) is the wasted potential of the game, and the greatness it could've achieved. Oh yeah, and spacebaby still exists in the game.

[Thanixmaster]

ME 1 and ME 2 are true masterpieces in their own right, while ME 3 is "just" a good game. Pretty good as a standalone title but nothing compared to the first two games in the series.

[Adugan]

Grand Wazoo wrote...
Certainly not unplayable anymore but the single biggest thing that makes the game in my eyes only average (besides the obvious flaws) is the wasted potential of the game, and the greatness it could've achieved.

This. That is why parents are mad at their children when they dont become lawyers, doctors or rocket scientists after the parents spend lots of time and money trying to make the kids into super geniuses. They and the fans demand greatness from the things they love, and are outraged when they dont get it.

[Naerivar]

Adugan wrote...

Grand Wazoo wrote...
Certainly not unplayable anymore but the single biggest thing that makes the game in my eyes only average (besides the obvious flaws) is the wasted potential of the game, and the greatness it could've achieved.

This. That is why parents are mad at their children when they dont become lawyers, doctors or rocket scientists after the parents spend lots of time and money trying to make the kids into super geniuses. They and the fans demand greatness from the things they love, and are outraged when they dont get it.

I'm trying to determine if you're actualy mocking parents right now...
Or if you're agreeing.

There is a difference though. most of all me being sentient and the game not. And the fact that my parents decided to make me. Whereas the players had no real hand in making the actual ME3 game.

[Total Biscuit]

Eh, yes and no.

Objectively, no, it's not a bad game in comparison to the general quality of games on the market. It's certainly not that Star Wars dancing game for instance.

But is it a bad Mass Effect game? Yes, I believe it is.

It's a huge step down from its predecessors, and nowhere near as good as it was perfectly reasonable to expect it to have been. It was a rushed, half finished mess with the absolute worst choice in charge as replacement Lead Writer, with huge chunks of intended content cut out and one of the most moronically stupid endings in any fiction ever made.

It's a bad game in context, even if it is objectively better than other, more enjoyable games out there.

[Adugan]

Naerivar wrote...

Adugan wrote...

Grand Wazoo wrote...
Certainly not unplayable anymore but the single biggest thing that makes the game in my eyes only average (besides the obvious flaws) is the wasted potential of the game, and the greatness it could've achieved.

This. That is why parents are mad at their children when they dont become lawyers, doctors or rocket scientists after the parents spend lots of time and money trying to make the kids into super geniuses. They and the fans demand greatness from the things they love, and are outraged when they dont get it.

I'm trying to determine if you're actualy mocking parents right now...
Or if you're agreeing.

There is a difference though. most of all me being sentient and the game not. And the fact that my parents decided to make me. Whereas the players had no real hand in making the actual ME3 game.

I am serious. The fans feel like they had a hand in making their Shepard, and that they should decide what that Shepard does in the trilogy. ME3 basically railroaded everyone into several unpalatable decisions, where only a minority of the people enjoyed the outcome. Fans didnt make THE game, but they made THEIR game.

[JeffZero]

It's my favorite in the trilogy, so.

[Oransel]

Adugan wrote...

You forgot about how the rest of the games are irrelevant.

Fixed