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[Mathias]

I agree with almost every word from the OP save for the "Bad game" part. I don't think it's a bad game, but it certaintely isn't great either. Mass Effect 3 should be in the buy it used or on sale category. It's a true symbol of what Bioware has become lately and it's a shame.

[Saint Op]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Saint Op wrote..
 HA! Same here gameplay was meh, story meh, ending was really bad ...understand it was probably a set up and what lead to it seemed like choices but...meh.

I thought the story was good. Saskia is a great character, and I was disappointed that dragon sex is apparently frowned upon by CDPR. 

Saskia was the only thing I found that took any chance ,I did like that...otherwise very predictable and nothing I had to know what happened...
I was interested enough to want to play the other 2nd chapter but after the end I didn't ever bother.

[tonnactus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

I just scrolled through your posts in this thread and found nothing, so please just do me a favor and post why ME1's railroading is okay but ME2's isn't.

The railroading in Mass Effect ends exactly at the moment Shepard became a spectre(he could report to the council,but it was his choice). After that,the player is free to choose in which order he wants to do the main mission and the side missions. I couldnt do the derelict reaper mission before horizon or the collector trap(the writers could always write a story in a way that those missions could be done in any order). I couldnt recruit squadmates in the order i wanted. So how exactly Mass Effect 2 offers any kind of freedom?

[CronoDragoon]

tonnactus wrote...


The railroading in Mass Effect ends exactly at the moment Shepard became a spectre(he could report to the council,but it was his choice). After that,the player is free to choose in which order he wants to do the main mission and the side missions. I couldnt do the derelict reaper mission before horizon or the collector trap(the writers could always write a story in a way that those missions could be done in any order). I couldnt recruit squadmates in the order i wanted. So how exactly Mass Effect 2 offers any kind of freedom?

Okay, so while Shepard reports to the Council and answers to the Alliance, he is in essence his own man and relatively autonomous.

.....How is this different from TIM, who supports WHATEVER you decide in ME2 no matter what until you decide to destroy the Collector Base, when you CAN tell him to **** off not once, but also again later during the ending?

ME1 gives you the choice to visit the 3 main planets in any order. Guess what? That's still less choice than ME2 gives you upon leaving Freedom's Progress.

[tonnactus]

nedpepper wrote...



The leveling up process. 

What excactly was wrong with that? You earn experience points,level up and spend them.

What are there, three skills?  Fighting, magic, and alchemy?   

Its not that games like Dragon Age have more then three classes.(warrior, thief and mage)

Actual fighting the enemy.  It feels clunky.  

How exactly? You could actively block enemy attacks and/or roll. Somehow targeting the wrong enemy could happen,but thats it.
 

  People talked about it like it was last great RPG. 

It is in my opinion. Alone for the fact that this game hasnt decision that are either black and white.

[naes1984]

It's a disappointing game like Dragon Age 2 and I think fundamentally flawed in its conception but not exactly BAD. Leisure Suit Larry: Box Office Bust is a BAD BAD Game.

[CronoDragoon]

I can't speak for the Witcher 2's console controls, but I found it very underwhelming on PC. Then again, I rarely enjoy K&M gameplay...

[Mathias]

This is why I can't wait for CDProjekt to finish their Cyberpunk game.

[iHorizons]

Oransel wrote...

That's right. It's a bad, mediocre game. 

Redeeming features:

Garrus
Tuchanka arc
Rannoch arc
Weapon mods
Smooth combat system

What makes it bad? (bolded the parts that are intolerable)

Auto-dialogue. Canon Shep.
Almost no side missions, but tons of fetch quests.
No Galaxy exploration. No vehicles.
No ME2 characters as a squadmates or even proper LI's.
Game is very short, compared to previous games. 
Crucible.
Choices did not matter.
Introduction/beginning.
Catalyst's existence.
Overall plot is very weak - Kai Leng power armor, Cerberus and so on.
Bugs. Tons of them. 
Journal.
Endings.
Artistic integrity.
that stupid kid, and Shepard's nightmares about him.
the rest of the games are irrelevant.
Insults from Bioware.

Bad game is bad.

YOLO

[SteffiSyndrom]

Oransel wrote...

That's right. It's a bad, mediocre game. 

Redeeming features:

Garrus
Tuchanka arc
Rannoch arc
Weapon mods
Smooth combat system

What makes it bad? (bolded the parts that are intolerable)

Auto-dialogue. Canon Shep.
Almost no side missions, but tons of fetch quests.
No Galaxy exploration. No vehicles.
No ME2 characters as a squadmates or even proper LI's.
Game is very short, compared to previous games. 
Crucible.
Choices did not matter.
Introduction/beginning.
Catalyst's existence.
Overall plot is very weak - Kai Leng power armor, Cerberus and so on.
Bugs. Tons of them. 
Journal.
Endings.
Artistic integrity.
that stupid kid, and Shepard's nightmares about him.
the rest of the games are irrelevant.
Insults from Bioware.

Bad game is bad.

Then why the hell are you on the forum? ._. I don't get it. Are people like you so bored that they HAVE to spread hatred wherever they go? Let's say I don't like a certain band, now ... I don't go to THEIR website and badmouth about them. If I don't like something, I let it be ... it's called maturity. You should try it someday.

[tonnactus]

CronoDragoon wrote...


.....How is this different from TIM, who supports WHATEVER you decide in ME2

Support is good. He ordered shepard to go to horizon and shepard had to jump like a dog and follow these orders. It happened again with the collector trap. I prefare the way it was done in the first game. Shepard got some leads and follow them in the order he want. Thats not possible in Mass Effect 2. All main missions had to be done in a specific order without players choice involved.

[Mathias]

SteffiSyndrom wrote...

Oransel wrote...

That's right. It's a bad, mediocre game. 

Redeeming features:

Garrus
Tuchanka arc
Rannoch arc
Weapon mods
Smooth combat system

What makes it bad? (bolded the parts that are intolerable)

Auto-dialogue. Canon Shep.
Almost no side missions, but tons of fetch quests.
No Galaxy exploration. No vehicles.
No ME2 characters as a squadmates or even proper LI's.
Game is very short, compared to previous games. 
Crucible.
Choices did not matter.
Introduction/beginning.
Catalyst's existence.
Overall plot is very weak - Kai Leng power armor, Cerberus and so on.
Bugs. Tons of them. 
Journal.
Endings.
Artistic integrity.
that stupid kid, and Shepard's nightmares about him.
the rest of the games are irrelevant.
Insults from Bioware.

Bad game is bad.

Then why the hell are you on the forum? ._. I don't get it. Are people like you so bored that they HAVE to spread hatred wherever they go? Let's say I don't like a certain band, now ... I don't go to THEIR website and badmouth about them. If I don't like something, I let it be ... it's called maturity. You should try it someday.

Oh so you're one of those people that thinks people shouldn't post on the forums if they have criticism?

[mauro2222]

Total Biscuit wrote...

Eh, yes and no.

Objectively, no, it's not a bad game in comparison to the general quality of games on the market. It's certainly not that Star Wars dancing game for instance.

But is it a bad Mass Effect game? Yes, I believe it is.

It's a huge step down from its predecessors, and nowhere near as good as it was perfectly reasonable to expect it to have been. It was a rushed, half finished mess with the absolute worst choice in charge as replacement Lead Writer, with huge chunks of intended content cut out and one of the most moronically stupid endings in any fiction ever made.

It's a bad game in context, even if it is objectively better than other, more enjoyable games out there.

[SteffiSyndrom]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

SteffiSyndrom wrote...

Oransel wrote...

That's right. It's a bad, mediocre game. 

Redeeming features:

Garrus
Tuchanka arc
Rannoch arc
Weapon mods
Smooth combat system

What makes it bad? (bolded the parts that are intolerable)

Auto-dialogue. Canon Shep.
Almost no side missions, but tons of fetch quests.
No Galaxy exploration. No vehicles.
No ME2 characters as a squadmates or even proper LI's.
Game is very short, compared to previous games. 
Crucible.
Choices did not matter.
Introduction/beginning.
Catalyst's existence.
Overall plot is very weak - Kai Leng power armor, Cerberus and so on.
Bugs. Tons of them. 
Journal.
Endings.
Artistic integrity.
that stupid kid, and Shepard's nightmares about him.
the rest of the games are irrelevant.
Insults from Bioware.

Bad game is bad.

Then why the hell are you on the forum? ._. I don't get it. Are people like you so bored that they HAVE to spread hatred wherever they go? Let's say I don't like a certain band, now ... I don't go to THEIR website and badmouth about them. If I don't like something, I let it be ... it's called maturity. You should try it someday.

Oh so you're one of those people that thinks people shouldn't post on the forums if they have criticism?

No, I'm one of those people that think if you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all. I respect people's opinions and such, but I don't understand those endless complaints about ME3, if you don't like it, just let it go then. And I have a right to publish my opinion as well. Therefor - I don't understand all the badmouthing about ME3. Sure there were things they could have done better, it's just so old now. Like old chewing gum that's been chewed over and over. There's the time where you have to spit it out and get a new one or let it be.
I don't try to start any arguments, I am just pretty sad to see people still complaining about ME3. In my opinion it was a great game. Now, I am sorry if many might not agree, but as I said it's just my opinion.
Just hope you all then have a better experience with either more ME coming up or simply different games.

[CronoDragoon]

tonnactus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...


.....How is this different from TIM, who supports WHATEVER you decide in ME2

Support is good. He ordered shepard to go to horizon and shepard had to jump like a dog and follow these orders. It happened again with the collector trap. I prefare the way it was done in the first game. Shepard got some leads and follow them in the order he want. Thats not possible in Mass Effect 2. All main missions had to be done in a specific order without players choice involved.

You can challenge TIM though and basically give him the ol "I DONT TAKE ORDERS" stuff, to which he gives a reasonable response that any Shepard would see as sensible. And Shepard has to do it right then because it's a Collector attack on a colony. The Collectors won't wait for you to go blow Grunt's load on a Thresher Maw.

The reason that ME1's main missions could be done in any order is that they were isolated, relatively unimportant scenarios you had to resolve while gaining some bit of knowledge that helped the overall plot. ME2's main missions, on the other hand, would not make sense in any order because they really are main missions that deal exclusively with the main plot of ME2 (yeah yeah what main plot? har har).

[aeonlifestream]

Um, yeah, no. It's not a bad game.

If you want a terrible game, look at everything Activision has put out for the past 15 years or Rockstar's entire catalog.

[CronoDragoon]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

aeonlifestream wrote...

Um, yeah, no. It's not a bad game.

If you want a terrible game, look at everything Activision has put out for the past 15 years or Rockstar's entire catalog.

Did you really just say that Red Dead Redemption is a terrible game?

To be fair, RDR is about the only Rockstar game I liked enough to finish. (And liked it I sure as hell did)

[naes1984]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

aeonlifestream wrote...

Um, yeah, no. It's not a bad game.

If you want a terrible game, look at everything Activision has put out for the past 15 years or Rockstar's entire catalog.

Did you really just say that Red Dead Redemption is a terrible game?

Bubsy 3d, Steel Battalion for Kinnect, Star Wars Kinnect are bad games. ME3 is a disappointing one.

[RenegonSQ]

aeonlifestream wrote...

Um, yeah, no. It's not a bad game.

If you want a terrible game, look at everything Activision has put out for the past 15 years or Rockstar's entire catalog.

...What?

Please leave

[SSPBOURNE]

At least they didn't give you an upgrade system as an excuse to sell your weapons and armor that already should have been in the game.

[JBPBRC]

aeonlifestream wrote...

Um, yeah, no. It's not a bad game.

If you want a terrible game, look at everything Activision has put out for the past 15 years or Rockstar's entire catalog.

Obvious troll is obvious.

[Mathias]

SteffiSyndrom wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

SteffiSyndrom wrote...

Oransel wrote...

That's right. It's a bad, mediocre game. 

Redeeming features:

Garrus
Tuchanka arc
Rannoch arc
Weapon mods
Smooth combat system

What makes it bad? (bolded the parts that are intolerable)

Auto-dialogue. Canon Shep.
Almost no side missions, but tons of fetch quests.
No Galaxy exploration. No vehicles.
No ME2 characters as a squadmates or even proper LI's.
Game is very short, compared to previous games. 
Crucible.
Choices did not matter.
Introduction/beginning.
Catalyst's existence.
Overall plot is very weak - Kai Leng power armor, Cerberus and so on.
Bugs. Tons of them. 
Journal.
Endings.
Artistic integrity.
that stupid kid, and Shepard's nightmares about him.
the rest of the games are irrelevant.
Insults from Bioware.

Bad game is bad.

Then why the hell are you on the forum? ._. I don't get it. Are people like you so bored that they HAVE to spread hatred wherever they go? Let's say I don't like a certain band, now ... I don't go to THEIR website and badmouth about them. If I don't like something, I let it be ... it's called maturity. You should try it someday.

Oh so you're one of those people that thinks people shouldn't post on the forums if they have criticism?

No, I'm one of those people that think if you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all. I respect people's opinions and such, but I don't understand those endless complaints about ME3, if you don't like it, just let it go then. And I have a right to publish my opinion as well. Therefor - I don't understand all the badmouthing about ME3. Sure there were things they could have done better, it's just so old now. Like old chewing gum that's been chewed over and over. There's the time where you have to spit it out and get a new one or let it be.
I don't try to start any arguments, I am just pretty sad to see people still complaining about ME3. In my opinion it was a great game. Now, I am sorry if many might not agree, but as I said it's just my opinion.
Just hope you all then have a better experience with either more ME coming up or simply different games.

That's not for you to decide though. If people stopped complaining completely then Bioware would think that everything is great now and that there's no need to try and improve on their next game. Maybe you have an issue with him saying it's a bad game, and that's fine. But his actual complaints about the game are sound. Bioware's reputation and future is in trouble now, and they need to shape up. Having every single fan shut up and just enjoy the game would do more harm than good.

Modifié par Mdoggy1214, 14 juillet 2012 - 01:11 .

[FoggyFishburne]

Yeah. Yeah I actually agree with you. I wouldn't go so far as saying it's bad, mediocre/average would be more fair. But I definitively agree. Anyone who thinks otherwise is either a fanboy or an idiot. I guess that's the same thing but ME3 did drop the ball in a lot of aspects. The auto dialogue pissed me off to the degree that it was actually throwing me out of the experience several times.

Man I'm not in the mood to list all the ****ty aspects of the game. I'm tired of developers starting to phone their games in, just because they have a devoted fanbase. Abusing them like gum. I defended DA2 but this... Some say that it's all up to DA3. That's the game that can redeem BioWare. I say they're already done. They're not as good as they used to be. Personally I'm looking forward to new games from CD Project Red.

[C9316]

Mechanic wise, it's not terrible things like it's combat are impressive.

Concept wise, it's goddamn terrible. It fails to do what the entire series has boasted and that is make a story where your choices have goddamn consequences upon said story. All the choices throughout this series amounted to nothing in this game despite all the PR talk about how they would matter and shape the story, and let's not forget about those 16 endings. This game despite all it's improvements has even more flaws, it doesn't even hold a candle to the first two games. And that is just goddamn sad. Shame on Bioware and shame on goddamn EA...