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Kel Riever wrote...

'starchild' would not nearly be hated if he was a boy in a dream that Shepard needed to understand, or that would come to some revelation. Starchild turns into starbrat and I feel the dreams get hated because of the end. Just another reason why the end screws up what comes before it.

So I'll disagree that the dreams were a problem. They could have been great...and then the whole starchild mess turned it on its head.

You can also argue ME3 is a great series by opinion. You can't argue it is great by any standard. That is hyperbole and just silly.


The dreams could have been so much better. As they are now, they just feel horrifically forced and hackneyed.

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Nope (an irrelevant opinion vs another).

Anyway, it amazes me how some people use so much of their time complanining about a "bad game"... you know what I do when I find a bad game? I uninstalled it and go play something else, I don't hang out in their forums.

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SteffiSyndrom wrote...

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That's right. It's a bad, mediocre game. 

Redeeming features:

Garrus
Tuchanka arc
Rannoch arc
Weapon mods
Smooth combat system

What makes it bad? (bolded the parts that are intolerable)

Auto-dialogue. Canon Shep.
Almost no side missions, but tons of fetch quests.
No Galaxy exploration. No vehicles.
No ME2 characters as a squadmates or even proper LI's.
Game is very short, compared to previous games. 
Crucible.
Choices did not matter.
Introduction/beginning.
Catalyst's existence.
Overall plot is very weak - Kai Leng power armor, Cerberus and so on.
Bugs. Tons of them. 
Journal.
Endings.
Artistic integrity.
that stupid kid, and Shepard's nightmares about him.
the rest of the games are irrelevant.
Insults from Bioware.

Bad game is bad.


Then why the hell are you on the forum? ._. I don't get it. Are people like you so bored that they HAVE to spread hatred wherever they go? Let's say I don't like a certain band, now ... I don't go to THEIR website and badmouth about them. If I don't like something, I let it be ... it's called maturity. You should try it someday.


Oh so you're one of those people that thinks people shouldn't post on the forums if they have criticism?


No, I'm one of those people that think if you have nothing good to say, say nothing at all. I respect people's opinions and such, but I don't understand those endless complaints about ME3, if you don't like it, just let it go then. And I have a right to publish my opinion as well. Therefor - I don't understand all the badmouthing about ME3. Sure there were things they could have done better, it's just so old now. Like old chewing gum that's been chewed over and over. There's the time where you have to spit it out and get a new one or let it be.
I don't try to start any arguments, I am just pretty sad to see people still complaining about ME3. In my opinion it was a great game. Now, I am sorry if many might not agree, but as I said it's just my opinion.
Just hope you all then have a better experience with either more ME coming up or simply different games.


That's not for you to decide though. If people stopped complaining completely then Bioware would think that everything is great now and that there's no need to try and improve on their next game. Maybe you have an issue with him saying it's a bad game, and that's fine. But his actual complaints about the game are sound. Bioware's reputation and future is in trouble now, and they need to shape up. Having every single fan shut up and just enjoy the game would do more harm than good.


That's a good point and I agree. I am not against critisism at all. I just think it's already all been said. Many people have already complained about what they didn't like and such. I am just still amazed over how many people still bring up the same stuff over and over. And as you said, there has to be complaint and improvement but also praise and compliment.


I know it can get old, seeing people complain about the same thing over and over. But if Bioware continue to screw up badly beyond this point, despite the endless flow of constructive criticism coming from the fanbase, then they no longer have an excuse. In my case, i'm waiting to see what they do with DA3. After all the criticism they received for DA2 and ME3, and the fact they're shooting for a 2014 release date, there really should be no excuse if DA3 falls short. It'll be a long wait, but i'm interested to see how they do.

But despite my intrigue for DA3, I don't have any consumer confidence in Bioware at this point. However i've been wrong before.

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Everything I loved about the original Mass Effect was less substantive in ME3. And the undue focus on multiplayer really irritates me.

I thought it was disappointing but a good game nonetheless.

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There is greatness in the game, but I hated the auto-dialogue. Probably more so than the ending.

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Its not a bad game it was average game I'm not going to rewrite all the flaws we gone over that hundred times in different threads. The game could of been so more especially after two previous great games. But hey that's just my personal opinion.

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Well I didn't read 14 pages of this thread, but I did want to come in and ask the OP what it's like to be wrong.

All kidding aside, it's nice that you have an opinion just like every single other human being on the face of the planet, but I'm afraid that's all it is. I hate to enlighten everyone but every single one of the ME games had flaws and things that could have been done different or better and the third installment is no different. If you have one lick of imagination, a lot of these flaws don't amount to much at all. Not too mention that people have liked or loved this series for a variety of reasons.

For me, ME3 is amazing in it's own right, even thought it has issues just like the previous two games.

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1. No, many also didn't like the exploration. And the Vehicles.

2. Well, maybe you don't skip. But many others do. Side quests don't make the story. They are all, well, side quests. And like I said, the exploration in ME made the game look like 35+ hours when you could have done it in 27- hours with side quests.

3. Comes out of nowhere. Like, lets say, the Collectors in ME2? We never heard of them in ME1. Something must move the plot. In ME3's case, it was the Crucible.

4. Your decision was acknowlaged. "choices don't matter" is not true. It may be not enough acknowlagemt in your opinion, and that is a valid complaint. Yet subjective. It's your opinon alone. Besides, there are also other choices that were fairly acknowlaged. So not really ALL choices were left aside.

5. I never played Dues Ex Machina. So what exactly is your point here? That the idea was taken from another game? Do you have any idea how many things in the media are copying other things? There is barely something today that is original.

7. Okay, so that is one bug. What are the rest exactly?

8. In my opinon, it's 8.5/10. Does that make the EC truly 4/10 or 8.5/10? No. That is left for personal opinion only.

10. No that doesn't anwer my question. The other two games had were relavant. They are not completley necessary to play, like every trilogy of book doesn't make reading the first or second book as completley necessary. But playing the first two games is important as it is to play ME1 if you want to play ME2. And I say that as someone who played ME2 prior to ME1.

11. And if there are people that didn't see the so called "insults"? Does that mean the game is still bad because of it? And you didn't answer my question. What exactly were the insults? Did BioWare ever call you stupid? Artistic integrity is nowhere near insult. If you felt offended because of that (also, what make artistic integrity offensive?), then it's you personally. Not BioWare. You shouldn't feel offenced on that more than any other artsit will tell you he's not going to change his work.


1. Those people were the really small minority. The wrong minority. Devs took their way to cut the game and release it ASAP.
2. And? You want to say that main storyline is the most important thing in ME series? Sorry, but main storylines are not that good even in first games and even not that enjoyable. ME is about characters, choices and lore. If you skip most of the missions to complete the game fast - you are not that interested in game. Is that the kind of player we want to be the core of playerbase? I say - No. Those people should go shooty in CoD.
3. It's ok to introduce new things in the middle of the series as long as they do not contradict the lore. It is bad to change the lore in the final part of the trilogy. Crucible is violating the lore. It is tolerable, but not appreciated at all.
4. I do not accept anything, but high quality. If I sell you heavily scorched car and you will complain, you want me to say: "Yeah, but hey, windows are not broken, not everything is bad"? That's exactly what you say.
5. *sigh* How old are you? Please google the term (not the game) "Deus Ex Machina" and return.
7. Joker chair. Liara and Shep being posessed. Introduction bugs. Doors being unable to open (locks dissapear). Youtube it if you want.
8. Agree here.
10. ME is about choices. When previously choice-based game suddenly becomes streamlined... Well, that's wrong. Never understood people who would begin any book, film or game series from the middle or from the end, honestly.
11. Alright. You are not that bright. What? Don't like it? Well, it's your problem being offended, not mine.

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It's funny how flame wars produce so many more comments than constructive posts.

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the reapers being background wallpapers while cerberus does all the antagonist works. plus they were supposed to be nearly destroyed in the novel set just before ME3.

let's just say the whole story smells rotten.

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lol NO

Modifié par shepdog77, 14 juillet 2012 - 07:42 .


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Akruze wrote...

Your opinion is bad

You ignore the FACT that the game is freaking fun


It is not fun, it is sad.

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Psshh i don't see how you could possibly like all the other Mass Effect games and not ME3. I was loving everything about ME3 up until the very very very end.. and they kinda dropped the ball on all the romance stuff but that's it for me.

If you kept playing till the end.. you must of been enjoying because it's a pretty long game

Modifié par JDee3, 14 juillet 2012 - 07:45 .


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JDee3 wrote...

Psshh i don't see how you could possibly like all the other Mass Effect games and not ME3. I was loving everything about ME3 up until the very very very end.. and they kinda dropped the ball on all the romance stuff but that's it for me.

If you kept playing till the end.. you must of been enjoying because it's a pretty long game


No, it was more like grinding through it and having my fears confirmed all along the way, especially from Priority:Earth forward. There were a few fun arcs/parts of the game, but at best, this game seemed mediocre and rushed. It certainly didn't warrant the $92.67 it cost me.

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alsonamedbort wrote...

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If it was objectively a bad game it wouldn't have a metacritic score of 89.


Because review scores are a perfectly reliable way to judge the quality of a game.

For every reviewer who gave the game 8/10 or above, there are probably about a thousand who vehemently disagree and don't have a paycheck to worry about when scoring the game.


:blink:

Are there any people who agree that don't have a paycheck to worry about?

Not saying that reviewer scores are a valid form of measurement, just saying that your implication that only people who are "have a paycheck to worry about" give the game a good rating is not exactly a winning argument.


Point = missed.

My point is that many "official" reviewers are pressured into giving a game a good score because the publisher may not give them a copy of their next game to review, leading to less page hits and less money in the back pocket. That was what i was getting at.

Sure you can say user reviews are biased, but if theres really something thats ticked off a lot of the fan base for them to even stoop to that level of score bombing, that alone should indicate something is off about the game.

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the stupid dream scenes felt like something that 10 year old call of duty children would consider as "artistic integrity", hated them

I missed mass effect 1 in where you made choices through gameplay, instead of choosing from the dialogue wheel. For example in that mission where you had the choice to kill all the infected colonists or simply stun them through action, and it actually affected your desicion making process and the report to admiral hackett

and mass effect 3 just got rid of the neutral opinion

ah well

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White Zombie wrote...

JDee3 wrote...

Psshh i don't see how you could possibly like all the other Mass Effect games and not ME3. I was loving everything about ME3 up until the very very very end.. and they kinda dropped the ball on all the romance stuff but that's it for me.

If you kept playing till the end.. you must of been enjoying because it's a pretty long game


No, it was more like grinding through it and having my fears confirmed all along the way, especially from Priority:Earth forward. There were a few fun arcs/parts of the game, but at best, this game seemed mediocre and rushed. It certainly didn't warrant the $92.67 it cost me.


The side missions seemed very rushed. I would expect whenever I got to the citadel and got a quest to land on a planet (Dekuuna) and help save some people for me to actually be landing on the planet like ME1 but idk I was still satisfied with what I got. For this game to be PERFECT they would've had to make it more than two disk.. and it would probably cost them a lot.. and we wouldve gotten it much later

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It's not exactly a bad game. It's a great TPS and it easily competes on the same level as the Gears of War Games. It is however a mediocre RPG and even more importantly a disappointing follow up to ME1 and ME2. If you are a true ME fan then it would be physically impossible to play ME3 without mourning over the loss of what it could/would/should have been, there are far to many lost opportunities, cut corners and dumb ass decisions.

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Raizo wrote...

It's not exactly a bad game. It's a great TPS and it easily competes on the same level as the Gears of War Games. It is however a mediocre RPG and even more importantly a disappointing follow up to ME1 and ME2. If you are a true ME fan then it would be physically impossible to play ME3 without mourning over the loss of what it could/would/should have been, there are far to many lost opportunities, cut corners and dumb ass decisions.


@bold- No. Play a session of ME3 MP side-by-side with Gears 3's Horde mode. 

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Eh, yes and no.

Objectively, no, it's not a bad game in comparison to the general quality of games on the market. It's certainly not that Star Wars dancing game for instance.

But is it a bad Mass Effect game? Yes, I believe it is.

It's a huge step down from its predecessors, and nowhere near as good as it was perfectly reasonable to expect it to have been. It was a rushed, half finished mess with the absolute worst choice in charge as replacement Lead Writer, with huge chunks of intended content cut out and one of the most moronically stupid endings in any fiction ever made.

It's a bad game in context, even if it is objectively better than other, more enjoyable games out there.


So right, but OP is also right.

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o Ventus wrote...

Raizo wrote...

It's not exactly a bad game. It's a great TPS and it easily competes on the same level as the Gears of War Games. It is however a mediocre RPG and even more importantly a disappointing follow up to ME1 and ME2. If you are a true ME fan then it would be physically impossible to play ME3 without mourning over the loss of what it could/would/should have been, there are far to many lost opportunities, cut corners and dumb ass decisions.


@bold- No. Play a session of ME3 MP side-by-side with Gears 3's Horde mode. 


I don't do multi-player.....EVER! I don't play any multi player games, as a matter of fact I try very hard to avoid them all together.

I play games to be entertained and for me that means a storyline. I get nothing out of just shooting things, it does nothing for me and it all just feels poihntless in the long run.

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Raizo wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Raizo wrote...

It's not exactly a bad game. It's a great TPS and it easily competes on the same level as the Gears of War Games. It is however a mediocre RPG and even more importantly a disappointing follow up to ME1 and ME2. If you are a true ME fan then it would be physically impossible to play ME3 without mourning over the loss of what it could/would/should have been, there are far to many lost opportunities, cut corners and dumb ass decisions.


@bold- No. Play a session of ME3 MP side-by-side with Gears 3's Horde mode. 


I don't do multi-player.....EVER! I don't play any multi player games, as a matter of fact I try very hard to avoid them all together.

I play games to be entertained and for me that means a storyline. I get nothing out of just shooting things, it does nothing for me and it all just feels poihntless in the long run.


I think Bioware knows they don't have the best multiplayer explaining all the free dlc to keep people interested in the game and playing as they come up with single player DLCs which I'm very interested in seeing because they've talked highly about them since the game came out as if they will fix everything

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Raizo wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

Raizo wrote...

It's not exactly a bad game. It's a great TPS and it easily competes on the same level as the Gears of War Games. It is however a mediocre RPG and even more importantly a disappointing follow up to ME1 and ME2. If you are a true ME fan then it would be physically impossible to play ME3 without mourning over the loss of what it could/would/should have been, there are far to many lost opportunities, cut corners and dumb ass decisions.


@bold- No. Play a session of ME3 MP side-by-side with Gears 3's Horde mode. 


I don't do multi-player.....EVER! I don't play any multi player games, as a matter of fact I try very hard to avoid them all together.

I play games to be entertained and for me that means a storyline. I get nothing out of just shooting things, it does nothing for me and it all just feels poihntless in the long run.


Fair enough, but you can't compare the two in terms of gameplay. Aside from the third-person shooting and the A button sticking you to cover, they couldn't be more different.

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If you say so,then ME2 is a little worse.

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Oilking72 wrote...

Well I didn't read 14 pages of this thread, but I did want to come in and ask the OP what it's like to be wrong.

All kidding aside, it's nice that you have an opinion just like every single other human being on the face of the planet, but I'm afraid that's all it is. I hate to enlighten everyone but every single one of the ME games had flaws and things that could have been done different or better and the third installment is no different. If you have one lick of imagination, a lot of these flaws don't amount to much at all. Not too mention that people have liked or loved this series for a variety of reasons.

For me, ME3 is amazing in it's own right, even thought it has issues just like the previous two games.

Sometimes I don't get why people forget the minery and broken storyline in ME2 and repetive side quests maps in ME1 when complaining to ME3.Every ME game is not flawless but the greatness is always overwhelm those flaws.