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[squee365]

Darth Death wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

The game isn't bad... It's absolutely abominable.

*facepalm*

Let me guess, you enjoyed ME3? 

A lot of people did. Most of them have moved on to other games and don't frequent the BSN or other internet message boards. ...

[Ezlo86]

You know, putting "fact" at the end of each sentence doesn't make it so, just so you know. Have a nice day.

[squee365]

Ezlo86 wrote...

You know, putting "fact" at the end of each sentence doesn't make it so, just so you know. Have a nice day.

Agree'd. 

[Bolt-Action]

Taraakian wrote...

People sure do spend an awful lot of time discussing a game which they claim is horrible.

You know it's okay to admit you like it. Hating it might be the hip thing these days but you still look like an ass to the casual observer.

If I look like an ass for voicing my opinions-so be it. 
But with that logic, doesn't anyone who voices their opinion "look like an ass".

[RyanSoup]

I read this in a Salarian voice. Also, totally agree

[Oransel]

Silhouett3 wrote...

I fail to see it like OP do:

Oransel wrote...

Redeeming features:

Garrus +Liara's project +Mordin's sacrifice + Kirrahe/Padok Wilks + Grunt + Targuin Victus + Eve
Tuchanka arc almost as good as Virmire arc
Rannoch arc made synthetics as valid from of life as organics, which is rare in all sci-fi history
Weapon mods actually effect gameplay in ME for the first time
Smooth combat system and combat isnt boring in ME for the first time

What makes it bad?

1. Auto-dialogue. Canon Shep. Core of the game is abandoned. It's called The Illusion of choice, always have been there
2. Almost no side missions, but tons of fetch quests. Fact. Like ME1, meh
3. No Galaxy exploration. No vehicles. No little missions on the faraway planets. Very limited in ME1-ME2 vanilla too, meh
4. No ME2 characters as a squadmates or even proper LI's. Fact. Fan community demanded ME1 characters to be priority, I blame them:)
5. Game is very short, compared to previous games. I am not speaking about main plots only. ME1 30 hours-ME2 35 hours vanilla-ME3 30 hours vanilla, meh
6. Crucible. Asspull. Collectors, meh
7. Choices did not matter that much. Rachni, geth, Collectors base have little to no consequence. Which choices mattered in previous games that much, meh
8. Introduction/beginning. Bad writing from a C-class movie about wars. Clarify?
9. Catalyst's existence. Very badly written Deux Ex Machina. Only if you believe a single thing that comes out it's mount
10. Overall plot is very weak - Kai Leng power armor, Cerberus and so on. Bad writing. Collectors, meh
11. Bugs. Tons of them. Don't ever install a Bethesda game<_<
12. Journal. How hard was to implement it? Isn't a game-breaking issue
13. Endings. just bad even with EC they deserve 4/10 Finally, you are correct!
14. Artistic integrity. Whatever that means
15. that stupid kid, and Shepard's nightmares about him. Were aimed to manipulate you
16. the rest of the games are irrelevant thanks to the endings. Or The Illusion of choice
17. Tali's face. Morinth
18. Diana Allers. You could dismiss her very quickly
19. Multiplayer affecting Singleplayer. Makes sense<_<
20. Citadel being moved through Relays. Citadel itself is a relay<_<
21. Insults from Bioware. Irrelevant but I agree[[/b]b]

1. Yes, it's the illusion of choice. And dialogues have always been about it. The problem is: I liked that illusion. As did most of other people. Why abandon it? 
2. Not really. ME1 has much more of them. i.imgur.com/w6Ixd.png
3. Same as the point 2.
4. That's not an excuse in a slightest. Especially if Wrex was not a squadmate.
5. Depends. For me it was considerably shorter.
6. No. While Crucible plays vital role to the Mass Effect Universe and comes out of nowhere, Collectors are just new threat from dark space. I can see your problems with it and I somewhat agree, it's not great, but Crucible fails much much harder.
7. lol wut? I'll take that as trolling.
8. Cheap, generic and stupid.
9. Agree here, though, it would be much much better without him overall.
10. As I said, not great, but tolerable and somewhat original. ME3 story aside from arcs is not. For me.
11. Not an excuse. If something is worse than your work it does not make yourself good.
12. For some it is.
13. 
14. ---
15. Forced emotions - sign of bad writing.
16. As I said - give me that Illusion. I want it.
17. Agree here.
18. Agree.
19. ---
20. And? Relay can't teleport itself.
21. ---

[DirtyPhoenix]

Oransel wrote...
7. lol wut? I'll take that as trolling.

Saving/Abandoning the council in ME1 for example, barely has any impact on ME2.

Modifié par pirate1802, 24 juillet 2012 - 11:30 .

[Allen Spellwaver]

Read the thread again.The only thing I want to say is Haha.

[Darth Death]

squee365 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

The game isn't bad... It's absolutely abominable.

*facepalm*

Let me guess, you enjoyed ME3? 

A lot of people did. Most of them have moved on to other games and don't frequent the BSN or other internet message boards. ...

For every person who liked ME3, another 3 individuals hated it. I'm sure a lot of people enjoyed ME3, but I'm also sure a lot more of people hated it. Just a feeling...   

[Goneaviking]

Darth Death wrote...

squee365 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

KotorEffect3 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

The game isn't bad... It's absolutely abominable.

*facepalm*

Let me guess, you enjoyed ME3? 

A lot of people did. Most of them have moved on to other games and don't frequent the BSN or other internet message boards. ...

For every person who liked ME3, another 3 individuals hated it. I'm sure a lot of people enjoyed ME3, but I'm also sure a lot more of people hated it. Just a feeling...   

I'm certain you have impeccable sources and have just forgotten to add citations as an oversight. Not because you're pulling that figure out of somewhere stinky.

[Darth Death]

Goneaviking wrote...

I'm certain you have impeccable sources and have just forgotten to add citations as an oversight. Not because you're pulling that figure out of somewhere stinky.

Don't need to. Look at youtube comments, amazon reviews, this here forum, other forums, other retail reviews, and you'll see the general consensus that clearly you're blinded to. If you want to downplay the actually situation, you can for many have already. If you liked the game, good for you, but many others didn't. That's why there's these constant outcries (on the forums) if you hadn't notice it already.  

[robertthebard]

Darth Death wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

I'm certain you have impeccable sources and have just forgotten to add citations as an oversight. Not because you're pulling that figure out of somewhere stinky.

Don't need to. Look at youtube comments, amazon reviews, this here forum, other forums, other retail reviews, and you'll see the general consensus that clearly you're blinded to. If you want to downplay the actually situation, you can for many have already. If you liked the game, good for you, but many others didn't. That's why there's these constant outcries (on the forums) if you hadn't notice it already.  

Yeah, let's hear it for Amazon reviews, which, btw was what tipped my thought scales to buying the game.  After all, if people are going to go through all the trouble of marking positive feedback as spam, there must be something they are trying to hide.  So yes, in answer to childish behavior, I bought the game, and guess what; I enjoyed it, all the up to the ending sequence.

[AlanC9]

pirate1802 wrote...

Oransel wrote...
7. lol wut? I'll take that as trolling.

Saving/Abandoning the council in ME1 for example, barely has any impact on ME2.

Agreed. But that's a good thing. The effect as described in ME1 was silly. The deaths of a couple of political leaders wouldn't change the fundamental power relationships.

[Darth Death]

robertthebard wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

Goneaviking wrote...

I'm certain you have impeccable sources and have just forgotten to add citations as an oversight. Not because you're pulling that figure out of somewhere stinky.

Don't need to. Look at youtube comments, amazon reviews, this here forum, other forums, other retail reviews, and you'll see the general consensus that clearly you're blinded to. If you want to downplay the actually situation, you can for many have already. If you liked the game, good for you, but many others didn't. That's why there's these constant outcries (on the forums) if you hadn't notice it already.  

Yeah, let's hear it for Amazon reviews, which, btw was what tipped my thought scales to buying the game.  After all, if people are going to go through all the trouble of marking positive feedback as spam, there must be something they are trying to hide.  So yes, in answer to childish behavior, I bought the game, and guess what; I enjoyed it, all the up to the ending sequence.

Those who hated ME3 scream down the throats to those who liked it, and those who liked ME3 scream down the throats to those who hated it. To address your childish behavior, yes, both sides act childish equally.  

[Oransel]

Bad game is bad

[Conniving_Eagle]

Oransel wrote...

Bad game is bad

You should go bump my thread.

[Keltic]

I think as people have said ,some liked it and others hated it, whether or not it's the most hated title ever is open to debate but certainly it's probably the title with the largest disappointed fan base from what has went around the internet globally, yes a whole lot of people loved the game but at least equally a whole lot of people were seriously disappointed by it and if anything this polarisation of the fanbase could be what causes serious damage to future Bioware releases as both sides in the argument become more entrenched and hardcore in their views.
The first two Mass Effect games were awesome outings and would always have been hard to live up to but i feel the addition of the MP segment diverted resources away from the campaign segment and ultimately detracted from what should have been an amazing finale to the series, yes i'm one of those disappointed by the game but i also accept people have differing views and lets face it none of this really matters to Bioware etc as they made their money from sales on release and don't have to really worry really what people think of the game as their concerns will now be focused on the next title they want to release and make money on.
I suppose when you think on it there are actually 3 sides in the argument now totally entrenched in their views..The likers, The Dislikers and Bioware who say its our way so tough ( bascially)

[Little Princess Peach]

I dont think me3 was a bad game I enjoyed it but just the ending made logic jump out the window

[KLGChaos]

The problem with ME3 is that it differs from ME1 and ME2 in one significant way, at least at the end. I've come to realize there's two major types of stories out there-- Plot Driven stories and Character Driven stories. In plot driven stories, the plot is the main character, and the actual people inhabiting them are nothing more than plot devices to move the story forward. In a Character Driven story, the plot doesn't matter as much as it's the characters and their interactions that move the story forward.

The greatest stories meld both types into one glorious piece of work. However, many stories these days tend to lean greatly towards one or the other and they're definitely not created equal. There are many movies and books out there that have interesting premises or plot but are universally panned for having shallow characters. It's a rare circumstance that a plot is interesting enough to look beyond the one dimensional characters. Character driven stories, however, tend to fare far better. Just look at The Avengers movie, for example. The plot was mostly a MacGuffin to bring the characters together to fight some faceless bad guy and had it's plot holes. Yet it was awesome because the characters drove the story.

Another great example is Star Wars, both the old and new. The older films were character driven pieces, with the entire plot being "Good guys vs Evil Empire". That's it. What made them great were Luke, Han, Leia, Vader, etc. Fast forward to the prequels. Suddenly, the plot is lot more complex (though filled with holes), but with an interesting premise involving politics and much more than good vs evil. However, the characters were horribly written.

ME1 is a great example of blending the two types together. You've got an awesome plot involving chasing down a rogue agent, only to find out he's being controlled by something far more powerful and surprising. You've got great characters that are fleshed out with equally great dialogue.

Then ME2 came around the plot went in the crapper. The whole premise was "Gather a team to kill a bunch of bugs and you may not survive." While there were a couple of moments during the major story missions, the entire game was mostly about developing the characters and their relationships. It's what drove the story.

Then you come to ME3... for most of the game, the plot is similar to ME2... Big Bads come to town, you need to gather forces, but what makes playing it worthwhile are all the characters. The Genophage mission was incredible, the interactions with Tali and Legion in his final moments if you chose peace (or even if you didn't), etc. The story was once again driven forward mostly by the characters... that is, until the end. As soon as Star Child appeared, the game stopped being Character Driven and became Plot Driven. Shepard stopped being a character that shaped things around him and forced to become a character that served the plot.

That was ME3s biggest failure. In the end, it forgot about the characters. Even if the ending wasn't one big logical mess, it still took away the game's character driven story to force a plot ending on us.

Modifié par KLGChaos, 25 juillet 2012 - 10:57 .

[Oransel]

KLGChaos wrote...

The problem with ME3 is that it differs from ME1 and ME2 in one significant way, at least at the end. I've come to realize there's two major types of stories out there-- Plot Driven stories and Character Driven stories. In plot driven stories, the plot is the main character, and the actual people inhabiting them are nothing more than plot devices to move the story forward. In a Character Driven story, the plot doesn't matter as much as it's the characters and their interactions that move the story forward.

The greatest stories meld both types into one glorious piece of work. However, many stories these days tend to lean greatly towards one or the other and they're definitely not created equal. There are many movies and books out there that have interesting premises or plot but are universally panned for having shallow characters. It's a rare circumstance that a plot is interesting enough to look beyond the one dimensional characters. Character driven stories, however, tend to fare far better. Just look at The Avengers movie, for example. The plot was mostly a MacGuffin to bring the characters together to fight some faceless bad guy and had it's plot holes. Yet it was awesome because the characters drove the story.

Another great example is Star Wars, both the old and new. The older films were character driven pieces, with the entire plot being "Good guys vs Evil Empire". That's it. What made them great were Luke, Han, Leia, Vader, etc. Fast forward to the prequels. Suddenly, the plot is lot more complex (though filled with holes), but with an interesting premise involving politics and much more than good vs evil. However, the characters were horribly written.

ME1 is a great example of blending the two types together. You've got an awesome plot involving chasing down a rogue agent, only to find out he's being controlled by something far more powerful and surprising. You've got great characters that are fleshed out with equally great dialogue.

Then ME2 came around the plot went in the crapper. The whole premise was "Gather a team to kill a bunch of bugs and you may not survive." While there were a couple of moments during the major story missions, the entire game was mostly about developing the characters and their relationships. It's what drove the story.

Then you come to ME3... for most of the game, the plot is similar to ME2... Big Bads come to town, you need to gather forces, but what makes playing it worthwhile are all the characters. The Genophage mission was incredible, the interactions with Tali and Legion in his final moments if you chose peace (or even if you didn't), etc. The story was once again driven forward mostly by the characters... that is, until the end. As soon as Star Child appeared, the game stopped being Character Driven and became Plot Driven. Shepard stopped being a character that shaped things around him and forced to become a character that served the plot.

That was ME3s biggest failure. In the end, it forgot about the characters. Even if the ending wasn't one big logical mess, it still took away the game's character driven story to force a plot ending on us.

I agree here, though, I have some notes:

1. Shepard was not himself during the whole ME3, but it was more or less tolerable.
2. ME3 plot was had too many flaws to work as a replacement for character-driven story.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Darth Death wrote...

Don't need to. Look at youtube comments, amazon reviews, this here forum, other forums, other retail reviews, and you'll see the general consensus that clearly you're blinded to. If you want to downplay the actually situation, you can for many have already. If you liked the game, good for you, but many others didn't. That's why there's these constant outcries (on the forums) if you hadn't notice it already.  

Just remember here that not everyone goes online to air their views. Not saying whether your views are right or wrong, just putting it out there.

[TookYoCookies]

Oransel wrote...

That's right. It's a bad, mediocre game. 

Redeeming features:

Garrus
Tuchanka arc
Rannoch arc
Weapon mods
Smooth combat system

What makes it bad? (bolded the parts that are intolerable)

Auto-dialogue. Canon Shep. Core of the game is abandoned.
Almost no side missions, but tons of fetch quests. Fact.
No Galaxy exploration. No vehicles. No little missions on the faraway planets.
No ME2 characters as a squadmates or even proper LI's. Fact.
Game is very short, compared to previous games. I am not speaking about main plots only.
Crucible. Asspull.
Choices did not matter that much. Rachni, geth, Collectors base have little to no consequence. 
Introduction/beginning. Bad writing from a C-class movie about wars.
Catalyst's existence. Very badly written Deux Ex Machina.
Overall plot is very weak - Kai Leng power armor, Cerberus and so on. Bad writing.
Bugs. Tons of them. 
Journal. How hard was to implement it?
Endings. just bad even with EC they deserve 4/10
Artistic integrity.
that stupid kid, and Shepard's nightmares about him.
the rest of the games are irrelevant thanks to the endings.
Tali's face.
Diana Allers.
Multiplayer affecting Singleplayer.
Citadel being moved through Relays.
Insults from Bioware.

Bad game is bad.

Agree. With. Everything.


Also need to add ROFL worthy turret sequences.

and fixed part about the beginning.. "This isnt about strategy or tactics"... Uhhhh... Are you f*cking kidding me? Arent you in the military?? Thats exactly what its about you f*cking idiot.

This trilogy ended with a Holographic Child.... Just.. What. The. F*ck.

[Memnon]

pirate1802 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

Don't need to. Look at youtube comments, amazon reviews, this here forum, other forums, other retail reviews, and you'll see the general consensus that clearly you're blinded to. If you want to downplay the actually situation, you can for many have already. If you liked the game, good for you, but many others didn't. That's why there's these constant outcries (on the forums) if you hadn't notice it already.  

Just remember here that not everyone goes online to air their views. Not saying whether your views are right or wrong, just putting it out there.

While this is true, there had to be some metrics somewhere regarding the endings - otherwise there is no way Bioware spends months making a free DLC to explain them.

[xlI ReFLeX lIx]

Be careful about saying ME3 is a bad game, in which sense do you mean?

I would say ME3 is a good game but that's about it, if your just playing ME3 (as in it's your first and only ME game) it'd be a game that I would finish and go "Hey, that was pretty cool"

but ME3 compared to ME1 and ME2, well then yes, it's a bad game and you did a good job at pointing out why.

[DirtyPhoenix]

Stornskar wrote...

pirate1802 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

Don't need to. Look at youtube comments, amazon reviews, this here forum, other forums, other retail reviews, and you'll see the general consensus that clearly you're blinded to. If you want to downplay the actually situation, you can for many have already. If you liked the game, good for you, but many others didn't. That's why there's these constant outcries (on the forums) if you hadn't notice it already.  

Just remember here that not everyone goes online to air their views. Not saying whether your views are right or wrong, just putting it out there.

While this is true, there had to be some metrics somewhere regarding the endings - otherwise there is no way Bioware spends months making a free DLC to explain them.

Oh ofcourse. I'm not disputing that. The controversy was huge, and with good reasons, which is why they released this free DLC. I'm just trying to remind that the online world =/= the whole audience.