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[scpulley]

The game itself wasn't bad, they just completely invalidated the importance of most of choices in the previous games with how they ended things. What's worse, they didn't even use good science fiction storytelling techniques to actually replace it with. It just all around was horribly horribly done with no regard to the setting they were writing in. I mean it was up there with the crapfest DA 2 was story wise. If you are going to give the players choices only to shelf them at the end as irrelevant Bioware, at least do it in such a way as people are okay with it rather than feeling like they were duped. Deus Ex Revolution was a very linear game but at least I felt the ending, as scripted as it was, was satisfying because it followed the story structure all the way through. It didn't just throw terribly out of place story elements in at the end that broke genre conventions.

Modifié par scpulley, 25 juillet 2012 - 09:10 .

[AlanC9]

The Spamming Troll wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I still don't follow that argument. ME1's skill point system was far worse than ME3's except that it had dialog skills. What are all these RPG things that went away?

Nope. 

Does anyone use ME3s 'class and builds forum,? There was far more discusion on classes BEFORE ME 3 was released.

I didn't mean to imply the buids in ME3 are especially interesting. All I said was they were better than ME1's approach.

Its pathetic how un RPG ME3 is. Have u ever played an RPG were u didnt need a journal?

Journal = RPG?

[The Spamming Troll]

AlanC9 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I still don't follow that argument. ME1's skill point system was far worse than ME3's except that it had dialog skills. What are all these RPG things that went away?

Nope. 

Does anyone use ME3s 'class and builds forum,? There was far more discusion on classes BEFORE ME 3 was released.

I didn't mean to imply the buids in ME3 are especially interesting. All I said was they were better than ME1's approach.

Its pathetic how un RPG ME3 is. Have u ever played an RPG were u didnt need a journal?

Journal = RPG?

ME3s gameplay revolves around using 1 maybe 2 abilities for each class. ME2 was even worse! atleast in ME1 when i played my adept i used EVERY SINGLE ABILITY i had. all the abilities were balanced enough where one wasnt better then the other. even situationaly ME1 offered a better arsenal of abilities. its a good thing for bioware im not into tech as much as i am into biotics because what the EFF happened to techs from ME1? nobody noticed tech mines went from disabling/sabotaging abilities to fire and ice abilities? i guess raging about how dumb enemy protections were took enough of my time.

the lack of journal isnt the only part of ME3 that is unRPG. im sure your plenty aware of the other reasons. i guess im just under the impression that RPGs should have journals. honeslty, ive never followed any of the topics in here about what is or isnt an RPG, but i definately think a journal is an important peice of that puzzle. or maybe im thinking the lack of journal is only becasue the game is so linear so i dont need a journal to remember what im supposed to do. ......have you ever played an RPG that was so linear?

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 26 juillet 2012 - 02:35 .

[wantedman dan]

If this thread doesn't hurt Bioware's feelings, like they should be, I don't know what will.

Having people tell you your game is terrible--on your own forum, no less--must suck.

[AresKeith]

AlanC9 wrote...

The Spamming Troll wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I still don't follow that argument. ME1's skill point system was far worse than ME3's except that it had dialog skills. What are all these RPG things that went away?

Nope. 

Does anyone use ME3s 'class and builds forum,? There was far more discusion on classes BEFORE ME 3 was released.

I didn't mean to imply the buids in ME3 are especially interesting. All I said was they were better than ME1's approach.

Its pathetic how un RPG ME3 is. Have u ever played an RPG were u didnt need a journal?

Journal = RPG?

In every RPG there is a quest log/Journal that updates you in your missions (which is basic RPG), ME3 does not do that

[wantedman dan]

AlanC9 wrote...

Journal = RPG?

Causation/Correlation logical fallacy.

[The Spamming Troll]

wantedman dan wrote...

If this thread doesn't hurt Bioware's feelings, like they should be, I don't know what will.

Having people tell you your game is terrible--on your own forum, no less--must suck.

if you dont learn from your mistakes on your own, your prone to failure.

if you dont learn from your mistakes on your own, and when someone objectively tells you otherwise, your undoubtedly doomed.

bioware should embrace the criticism, not keep a blind eye to it. i think bioware needs someone outside of bioware to tell them what the F they did wrong since bioware is obviously clueless, probably still.

Modifié par The Spamming Troll, 26 juillet 2012 - 03:16 .

[Oransel]

The core of RPG for me - is to define the character, shape him in your own way. Customisation is good - armor, mods, ability tree and so on, but they play minor role. Dialogues and decisions, on the other hand, were the things that made me call Mass Effect 1 and 2 RPGs.

Mass Effect 3 has some minor RPG elements, but essentialy it is not RPG in a slightest.

[Oransel]

magnetite wrote...

Given that the Reapers show up right in the beginning, there's very little time to explore the galaxy. It's a race against time to save what you can before they completely destroy everything.

Here we go to problem with the beginning of the game.

[liggy002]

wantedman dan wrote...

If this thread doesn't hurt Bioware's feelings, like they should be, I don't know what will.

Having people tell you your game is terrible--on your own forum, no less--must suck.

It does suck but I don't feel sorry for them because they brought this on themselves and they refused to compromise and make something better (IT)

[Oransel]

liggy002 wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

If this thread doesn't hurt Bioware's feelings, like they should be, I don't know what will.

Having people tell you your game is terrible--on your own forum, no less--must suck.

It does suck but I don't feel sorry for them because they brought this on themselves and they refused to compromise and make something better (IT)

Exactly.

[Darth Death]

wantedman dan wrote...

If this thread doesn't hurt Bioware's feelings, like they should be, I don't know what will.

Having people tell you your game is terrible--on your own forum, no less--must suck.

It does certainly suck for them, but they don't seem to care about it, so why should anyone else? They rushed DA2 & ME3 out the doors to get that quick cash in from their title "BioWare" alone, misleading many people (myself included) into thinking it'll be great as their previous games. I don't pity them. BioWare is smart enough to know what needs to be done in order to remedy this situation. Their old games were successful for a reason...  

[Oransel]

Darth Death wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

If this thread doesn't hurt Bioware's feelings, like they should be, I don't know what will.

Having people tell you your game is terrible--on your own forum, no less--must suck.

It does certainly suck for them, but they don't seem to care about it, so why should anyone else? They rushed DA2 & ME3 out the doors to get that quick cash in from their title "BioWare" alone, misleading many people (myself included) into thinking it'll be great as their previous games. I don't pity them. BioWare is smart enough to know what needs to be done in order to remedy this situation. Their old games were successful for a reason...  

I doubt it.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Oransel wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

If this thread doesn't hurt Bioware's feelings, like they should be, I don't know what will.

Having people tell you your game is terrible--on your own forum, no less--must suck.

It does certainly suck for them, but they don't seem to care about it, so why should anyone else? They rushed DA2 & ME3 out the doors to get that quick cash in from their title "BioWare" alone, misleading many people (myself included) into thinking it'll be great as their previous games. I don't pity them. BioWare is smart enough to know what needs to be done in order to remedy this situation. Their old games were successful for a reason...  

I doubt it.

Question for you Oransel: You think this thread can hit 100 pages?

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 27 juillet 2012 - 07:40 .

[Oransel]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Oransel wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

If this thread doesn't hurt Bioware's feelings, like they should be, I don't know what will.

Having people tell you your game is terrible--on your own forum, no less--must suck.

It does certainly suck for them, but they don't seem to care about it, so why should anyone else? They rushed DA2 & ME3 out the doors to get that quick cash in from their title "BioWare" alone, misleading many people (myself included) into thinking it'll be great as their previous games. I don't pity them. BioWare is smart enough to know what needs to be done in order to remedy this situation. Their old games were successful for a reason...  

I doubt it.

Question for you Oransel: You think this thread can hit 100 pages?

I don't know.

[FlamingBoy]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Oransel wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

wantedman dan wrote...

If this thread doesn't hurt Bioware's feelings, like they should be, I don't know what will.

Having people tell you your game is terrible--on your own forum, no less--must suck.

It does certainly suck for them, but they don't seem to care about it, so why should anyone else? They rushed DA2 & ME3 out the doors to get that quick cash in from their title "BioWare" alone, misleading many people (myself included) into thinking it'll be great as their previous games. I don't pity them. BioWare is smart enough to know what needs to be done in order to remedy this situation. Their old games were successful for a reason...  

I doubt it.

Question for you Oransel: You think this thread can hit 100 pages?

I think mass effect 3 hatred could fill 200 pages (keep in mind this is 4 months down the line)
I
mean the game was just that mediocre, improving the stuff not essential
to the ME experience, while cutting back on  the mechanics that were..

[Conniving_Eagle]

We can certainly try.

[Dendio1]

Anyone else ashamed of the thread title?

[Grimwick]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

With that said it has 30+ hours of gameplay, a good story, good game mechanics and good characters. It's not the best game out there, but it's above average.

These two parts I disagree with. I finished in 20 hours, completionist playthrough.... on Insanity. It was a very, very short game.

And the mechanics are slightly amateur - making insanity far, far too easy. The enemy AI are pretty basic, the aggressive AI of ME2 made it much more challenging.

Also, the thing about the characters is that, considering this is a sequel, many characters were changed/poorly written and there was a reduction in cinematic dialogue... which hardly makes it appealing for it's characters anymore as the only thing that really remains is that these characters exist.

[Oransel]

Dendio1 wrote...

Anyone else ashamed of the thread title?

Depends on what you mean. I am not ashamed of creating it, as it is true, Mass Effect 3 is a bad game. Howver, I am ashamed about ME3 actually being bad game as it could have been good one.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Grimwick wrote...

The Mad Hanar wrote...

With that said it has 30+ hours of gameplay, a good story, good game mechanics and good characters. It's not the best game out there, but it's above average.

These two parts I disagree with. I finished in 20 hours, completionist playthrough.... on Insanity. It was a very, very short game.

And the mechanics are slightly amateur - making insanity far, far too easy. The enemy AI are pretty basic, the aggressive AI of ME2 made it much more challenging.

Also, the thing about the characters is that, considering this is a sequel, many characters were changed/poorly written and there was a reduction in cinematic dialogue... which hardly makes it appealing for it's characters anymore as the only thing that really remains is that these characters exist.

You deserve a cookie. Took me 30 hours. Maybe it's because I didn't want it to end. I'm not sure.

The multiplayer proves this part. I just laugh at the Geth.

Also, ME3 didn't feature that much character development.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Oransel wrote...

Dendio1 wrote...

Anyone else ashamed of the thread title?

Depends on what you mean. I am not ashamed of creating it, as it is true, Mass Effect 3 is a bad game. Howver, I am ashamed about ME3 actually being bad game as it could have been good one.

[Zubie]

It is certainly not a bad game. It is a good game. It's just not a memorable one. In the future when I look back at Mass Effect I will remember Virmire, Ilos, the Battle of the Citadel and such. ME1 was an experience that will stay with me.