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[ElementL09]

Overall, I would say Mass Effect 3 is a good game, its not that bad. I mean there "issues" with it on certain levels, but as a game overall its good. But being "Good" as the last game of the trilogy isn't that "good". What I mean is there were high expectations for this game and I don't believed it delievered.

[3DandBeyond]

WarGriffin wrote...

Mass Effect 3 works fine as a stand alone game and it doe have it's geniune moments of greatness

However for all the hype it got and as the closing of a trilogy?
ME3 doesn't come close to living up to those expectations. For all the talk of battling for Earth... London feels no different from any of the other levels. -IMHO Earth should have been the midpoint of the game-
It pretty much ignores anything in the previous games that hurt it's conflict or plot-
The plot is streamlined and Shepard the character your suppose to shape... Is clearly the Head Writers Shepard not the players intrepretation. This isn't a good thing to do in the third game after letting players build who thier Shepard is for two games.

And I know who is gonna come in a defend that giving Shepard a more canon persona helps brush out themes or is so This character can serve as foil/antithesis to him.

Your missing the point, I don't give a **** about ME3's Shepard cause it's no longer my Shepard I've seen through ME 1-2. It's the Writing teams Shepard.

ME1 and ME2's endings make you feel you've accomplished something... ME3's ending even with the EC...Doesn't make me feel anything.


Me2 might have had a weak main plot but made up for it by building the ME universe

Please explain it to me because I must have blinked and missed the battle to take Earth back. 
I do recall short fights that did nothing to take Earth back.  I looked
in my game box and I cannot locate a take Earth back disk.  Mass Effect
3, right?

I want to know when we actually get to try and take Earth back.  I think I missed that part in my game.  Was that were we had the random fights that got us to the FOB?  Or was that the non-fight in slow motion where we walk among rotting human corpses and keepers in the play room of some insane AI's home and where he entertains us with family lore and his plans for his kids' future? 

Maybe it was that non-fight roaming discussion with TIM-what's up with that Control thing?  No one would ever actually want to do something like that, right?  Only a crazy man like TIM would want to control the reapers.  Stupid, right?  I'm pretty sure once I finish talking with this crazy little glowing imp I will get to fight some reapers right and get to take Earth back, right?  Damn.

[Binary_Helix 1]

LaughingDragon wrote...

SpiderFan1217 wrote...

Failed opinion thread is full of fail.

I has an opinion too.

Do you even know what an opinion is? You saying blue is the best color is an opinion.

Saying the game has auto dialogue, choices did not matter, no ME2 characters as squadmates...are facts. Put the crack-pipe down and open a dictionary.

LOL

[Fixers0]

There's no doubt Mass Effect 3 is the worst in the series, i'll surely agree with that.

[WarGriffin]

3DandBeyond wrote...

WarGriffin wrote...

Mass Effect 3 works fine as a stand alone game and it doe have it's geniune moments of greatness

However for all the hype it got and as the closing of a trilogy?
ME3 doesn't come close to living up to those expectations. For all the talk of battling for Earth... London feels no different from any of the other levels. -IMHO Earth should have been the midpoint of the game-
It pretty much ignores anything in the previous games that hurt it's conflict or plot-
The plot is streamlined and Shepard the character your suppose to shape... Is clearly the Head Writers Shepard not the players intrepretation. This isn't a good thing to do in the third game after letting players build who thier Shepard is for two games.

And I know who is gonna come in a defend that giving Shepard a more canon persona helps brush out themes or is so This character can serve as foil/antithesis to him.

Your missing the point, I don't give a **** about ME3's Shepard cause it's no longer my Shepard I've seen through ME 1-2. It's the Writing teams Shepard.

ME1 and ME2's endings make you feel you've accomplished something... ME3's ending even with the EC...Doesn't make me feel anything.


Me2 might have had a weak main plot but made up for it by building the ME universe

Please explain it to me because I must have blinked and missed the battle to take Earth back. 
I do recall short fights that did nothing to take Earth back.  I looked
in my game box and I cannot locate a take Earth back disk.  Mass Effect
3, right?

I want to know when we actually get to try and take Earth back.  I think I missed that part in my game.  Was that were we had the random fights that got us to the FOB?  Or was that the non-fight in slow motion where we walk among rotting human corpses and keepers in the play room of some insane AI's home and where he entertains us with family lore and his plans for his kids' future? 

Maybe it was that non-fight roaming discussion with TIM-what's up with that Control thing?  No one would ever actually want to do something like that, right?  Only a crazy man like TIM would want to control the reapers.  Stupid, right?  I'm pretty sure once I finish talking with this crazy little glowing imp I will get to fight some reapers right and get to take Earth back, right?  Damn.

They shouldn't have promoted the Battle of Earth as much as they did... seeing that Earth is honestly the weakest part of the game.

I'm just soo weary of talking about the ending and the Earth "sequence" which has so little effort in it i'm almost sure Me3 is some elaborate joke by EA.
 honestly the writers blew thier load on Tuchanka and Rannoch and just could never step back up. Thessia's Fall honestly means nothing to most people and that's suppose to be the Epic Mid point of the Game!

Sur'Kesh and Palaven are glossed over


The problem is Me3's ending flaws makes it's flaws throughout the game stand out more.

Me2 to Me3 is just a massive disconnect.

Where is Shepard's arrest?
Vega's Formal introduction -Vega a decent character but he is just kinda lumped in with you at the start-

I get they skipped the trial and intro to get to the Reapers quickly... but come on.

Why is Cerberus who are suppose to be Prohuman doing everythnig in it's power to undermine humanities survival. Cause TIM's MO is actaully to be helpful with his right hand while his left steals your wallet. TIM goes from a "plots within plots" anit-villian to A I can control them Madman and That's not going into how badly they screwed up Kai.

Our choices matter? for the Femsheps that Romanced Tahne and helped him want to live again... why is he so content on dying? -and yes the writers said they felt Thane dying was the only fitting conclusion to his story however whether you think it's fitting or not is secondary in a game billed that is about your choices-

[Oransel]

HagarIshay wrote...

 No offence OP, but most of your listed things seem to just fill the list to make it look long.


1. No Galaxy exploration. No vehicles- Fan's requests. Maybe they will do something in DLC, but you can't blame BioWare on something the fans didn't want.

2. Game is very short, compared to previous games- not true. ME1 is the shortest, if you ignore side quests. Even then, it takes a long time to finish ME1 with sidequests because of the huge planets. Without it you could finish the game fairly quickly.

3. Crucible- what exactly is your problem with that?

4. Choices did not matter- in the ending, maybe (if you don't count the war assets or sliders). But many of our choices have been acknowlaged throughout the ME3.

5. Catalyst's existence- Elaborate. What did he do to you?

6. Overall plot is very weak - Actually there are great things in the plot. Uniting the galaxy to stop the reapers, fixing the galaxy's mess. Other things in the plot are also good, just executed very poorly.

7. Bugs. Tons of them- Maybe I'm lucky, but the only bug I had encountered with is behind Joker's chair.

8. Endings-  The endings and their problems got fixed in the EC. If you still don't like them for whatever reason, that is your problem.

9. Artistic integrity- REALLY? Are you serious? What the hell does that have to do with anything? 

10. the rest of the games are irrelevant-  I always see people saying that. I never understand why. What exactly makes the other two games irrelevant.

11. Insults from Bioware- I don't recall we were ever been insulted by BioWare. You feeling insulted is a whole different story. And even if they insulted you in any way (which they didn't), it's hardly the game's fault. It's BioWare's themselves.

The game is not bad. You don't like it. I however, love it.

1. Fans haven't liked useless resource scan, but they liked the exploration overall. Those little missions, which are not really sidequests or fetch quests - in ME1 there were a lot of abandoned ships, distress signals; in ME2 there were controlling robot to gather some resources mission, abandoned ship parcour quest and many others. That's what I mean by exploration and no, there were no such things in ME3.

2. Maybe main story is shorter in ME1 and 2, but I have never abandoned side missions and exploration. They are integral part of the game for me. First two games are much much larger overall than streamlined ME3 story.

3. Crucible is an asspull. Plot device coming out of nowhere in the middle of the story. Simply, it's a very unprofessional, bad writing. Especially, if devs said that "there won't be Reaper turn off button".

4. Rachni, Collectors base, geth... One of the hardest of choices gives you... 100 EMS points? Really? Yeah, I see how game acknowledged my decisions. In the end it does not matter, it is overwritten into 4 horrible endings, anyway. The only choice that matters is that in the end. That is simply wrong. So, we have almost no meaning for choices through the ME3 and no choices matter in the end at all.

5. Catalyst is Deus Ex Machina. That's enough to hate him already. i am not even speaking about how badly written he is or how flawed is his logic. Yes, I include EC here.

6. Here I can agree with you. Execution could be much better.

7. Well, good for you. My Shep had big trouble with importing his face.

8. No, they were not fixed in the EC. From 2/10 score, they got to 4/10. They are exactly the same sh*t, but EC put some sugar on it.

9. Hmm... Maybe I am wrong here, it should go to "Insults from Bioware".

10. See my points on 3, 4 and 5. Also check auto-dialogue problem.

11. Gaming experience suffers when developers act in such a way. Sorry.

[3DandBeyond]

WarGriffin wrote...


They shouldn't have promoted the Battle of Earth as much as they did... seeing that Earth is honestly the weakest part of the game.

I'm just soo weary of talking about the ending and the Earth "sequence" which has so little effort in it i'm almost sure Me3 is some elaborate joke by EA.
 honestly the writers blew thier load on Tuchanka and Rannoch and just could never step back up. Thessia's Fall honestly means nothing to most people and that's suppose to be the Epic Mid point of the Game!

Sur'Kesh and Palaven are glossed over


The problem is Me3's ending flaws makes it's flaws throughout the game stand out more.

Me2 to Me3 is just a massive disconnect.

Where is Shepard's arrest?
Vega's Formal introduction -Vega a decent character but he is just kinda lumped in with you at the start-

I get they skipped the trial and intro to get to the Reapers quickly... but come on.

Why is Cerberus who are suppose to be Prohuman doing everythnig in it's power to undermine humanities survival. Cause TIM's MO is actaully to be helpful with his right hand while his left steals your wallet. TIM goes from a "plots within plots" anit-villian to A I can control them Madman and That's not going into how badly they screwed up Kai.

Our choices matter? for the Femsheps that Romanced Tahne and helped him want to live again... why is he so content on dying? -and yes the writers said they felt Thane dying was the only fitting conclusion to his story however whether you think it's fitting or not is secondary in a game billed that is about your choices-

I agree so much with this-it went from being about the galaxy to being about Earth and Earth alone.  Ok, no.

Thessia was just crap and Palaven was seen from its moon or just not at all. 

TIM is rendered down into a 2 dimensional character.  He had been a hero.  He did some very bold things even in not putting a control chip in Shepard-this guy that wants control over now everything, won't even put a control chip in Shepard.  Ok, reconcile that with what he just morphs into.  Saren, as bad as he was, seemed to almost always be bad and his goal was just to capitulate.

I assume what they will try and do is put Vega's story and then tie ME2 and 3 together with that Anime movie "Paragon" they are working on.  Because that's exactly what you want after the end game in a series has been released, new content leading up to that endgame in an Anime movie.  It is about Vega so it must occur before he's on the Normandy.

The whole beginning of ME3 felt like you missed a chapter.  And it just rushes into stuff before really setting the stage for what had happened.  We were left out of the loop and as Ashley is so intelligently made to say, "sorry for leaving you out of the loop, ma'am/sir."  I cringe whenever I hear that.

[Jamie9]

Mass Effect 3 is a fantastic stand-alone game. As the finale of a Trilogy, not so much.

But on it's own, it's amazing.

[3DandBeyond]

Jamie9 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 is a fantastic stand-alone game. As the finale of a Trilogy, not so much.

But on it's own, it's amazing.

Well having played it once as a standalone, it doesn't change anything that much.

However, the little issue of having 3 in its name should mean something.

[Conniving_Eagle]

7/10 and that is being very generous.

[AresKeith]

its barely a shadow compared to the other 2 games

[Conniving_Eagle]

Remanentmoss01 wrote...

No its not a bad game, it just dosent reach the hieghts of the previous two is all

= unfinished product.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

7/10 and that is being very generous.

So what game(s) do you consider a 10? 

[tonnactus]

Its decent until the stupid endings and far better then the worst game in the series, Mass Effect 2.

Modifié par tonnactus, 13 juillet 2012 - 08:22 .

[Oransel]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

7/10 and that is being very generous.

So what game(s) do you consider a 10? 

On my part, I can say that I have never seen 10/10 game. Well, maybe Fallout: New Vegas and ME2 can be scored that high. Other games? Not so much. Slender is 9/10.

Modifié par Oransel, 13 juillet 2012 - 08:16 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

OP, I don't think it is a bad game. I think it is a bad game by Bioware standards. It isn't even in the same League as ME2, or even ME1.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Oransel wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

7/10 and that is being very generous.

So what game(s) do you consider a 10? 

On my part, I can say that I have never seen 10/10 game. Well, maybe Fallout: New Vegas and ME2 can be scored that high. Other games? Not so much. Slender is 9/10.

Fallout: New Vegas was a broken POS, but I agree with ME2. That one is a clear 10. 11 with the DLCs.

Modifié par Brovikk Rasputin, 13 juillet 2012 - 08:20 .

[Mcfly616]

Bad game? Lol no....you just hatin'....let's be real

There is not one game in the industry that is "perfect"....ever

Each game has its issues, but to call ME3 "bad" due to the issues 'you' have with it, is a HUGE exaggeration.

Some games are fun....but aren't great or even good for that matter

Some games aren't fun to me, but I'm not going to deny their greatness(examples: Ocarina of Time, GTAIV, Witcher 2, Uncharted etc...).


It's all perspective....if you don't like it, that doesn't mean its bad.....if you do like it, then it doesn't necessarily mean its good either....


Whether you like it or not, the game sold very well(even after the ending backlash)....its still popular today.....and besides the endings, the BSN is the only place that I see complaints about anything else from the game


When I saw Game Informers perfect score, I was halfway through Rannoch.....and I couldn't agree more with the score....it deserved every point that added up to "10"....then I experienced the endings and for the life of me, could not understand how anybody could give it a perfect score....the ENDING does matter....it not all about the journey, the ending is supposed to vindicate the journey.....


Then the Extended Cut came out.....in my mind, I knew it was impossible for Bioware to create an ending that was worthy of the ME name, without completely removing StarBrat and implementing Indoc Theory....

But to my surprise, they did it. To me, Bioware did the impossible.....they made sense of "their" ending....and made Shepard's sacrifice mean something....


Does a terrible ending make a game bad? No.....does a great ending make a game good? No....


Besides that, imo all the other complaints are a lot of nitpicking.....as well as complaining from those that are so attached to their favorite character, that for whatever reason, "knowing" what that character is going to do after the war isn't enough....they need to "see" it......to those people I say, give me a break, you know what happens to your character....now you're gonna cry and raise hell because you didn't get a colorful "picture" of Tali on a roof with hammer in hand?

These are the type of people that call it a bad game....in that case, I just disregard their opinions....because they are simply wishful thinking, and quite over the top

[AresKeith]

ME2 was a very good game but I wouldn't give it a 10, because the main problem in that game was Bioware taking out the RPG Element that made ME1 great

Modifié par AresKeith, 13 juillet 2012 - 08:28 .

[spockjedi]

I mostly agree with the OP. The replaying value only exists thanks to the good combat system.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

7/10 and that is being very generous.

So what game(s) do you consider a 10? 

Very few.

+9s though, I'll give you a couple.

Mass Effect 2

Red Dead Redemption

Dragon Age Origins

Fallout: New Vegas

Assassin's Creed 2

Elder Scrolls Morrowind.

Mass Effect 1 (for its time)

ETC.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 13 juillet 2012 - 08:34 .

[atalair]

It's an ok game but it's not game of the year material

[AresKeith]

atalair wrote...

It's an ok game but it's not game of the year material

if it lived up the potential it could have had, then ME3 would have been game of the year material, but they ruined it

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

7/10 and that is being very generous.

So what game(s) do you consider a 10? 

Very few.

+9s though, I'll give you a couple.

Mass Effect 2

Red Dead Redemption

Dragon Age Origins

Fallout: New Vegas

Assassin's Creed 2

Elder Scrolls Morrowind.

Mass Effect 1 (for its time)

ETC.

I agree with all those, except for Fallout new vegas. That game was a broken piece of garbage, and doesn't even deserve a 0. 

[Oransel]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I agree with all those, except for Fallout new vegas. That game was a broken piece of garbage, and doesn't even deserve a 0. 

You should have bought licensed version.