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[Conniving_Eagle]

3DandBeyond wrote...

WarGriffin wrote...


They shouldn't have promoted the Battle of Earth as much as they did... seeing that Earth is honestly the weakest part of the game.

I'm just soo weary of talking about the ending and the Earth "sequence" which has so little effort in it i'm almost sure Me3 is some elaborate joke by EA.
 honestly the writers blew thier load on Tuchanka and Rannoch and just could never step back up. Thessia's Fall honestly means nothing to most people and that's suppose to be the Epic Mid point of the Game!

Sur'Kesh and Palaven are glossed over


The problem is Me3's ending flaws makes it's flaws throughout the game stand out more.

Me2 to Me3 is just a massive disconnect.

Where is Shepard's arrest?
Vega's Formal introduction -Vega a decent character but he is just kinda lumped in with you at the start-

I get they skipped the trial and intro to get to the Reapers quickly... but come on.

Why is Cerberus who are suppose to be Prohuman doing everythnig in it's power to undermine humanities survival. Cause TIM's MO is actaully to be helpful with his right hand while his left steals your wallet. TIM goes from a "plots within plots" anit-villian to A I can control them Madman and That's not going into how badly they screwed up Kai.

Our choices matter? for the Femsheps that Romanced Tahne and helped him want to live again... why is he so content on dying? -and yes the writers said they felt Thane dying was the only fitting conclusion to his story however whether you think it's fitting or not is secondary in a game billed that is about your choices-

I agree so much with this-it went from being about the galaxy to being about Earth and Earth alone.  Ok, no.

Thessia was just crap and Palaven was seen from its moon or just not at all. 

TIM is rendered down into a 2 dimensional character.  He had been a hero.  He did some very bold things even in not putting a control chip in Shepard-this guy that wants control over now everything, won't even put a control chip in Shepard.  Ok, reconcile that with what he just morphs into.  Saren, as bad as he was, seemed to almost always be bad and his goal was just to capitulate.

I assume what they will try and do is put Vega's story and then tie ME2 and 3 together with that Anime movie "Paragon" they are working on.  Because that's exactly what you want after the end game in a series has been released, new content leading up to that endgame in an Anime movie.  It is about Vega so it must occur before he's on the Normandy.

The whole beginning of ME3 felt like you missed a chapter.  And it just rushes into stuff before really setting the stage for what had happened.  We were left out of the loop and as Ashley is so intelligently made to say, "sorry for leaving you out of the loop, ma'am/sir."  I cringe whenever I hear that.

But Vega has a "Forever Normandy" medallion. Lol.

[nwntask]

As the gameplay alone it is the best of the trilogy.
Apart from that,however, ME3 failed terribly to meet the expectations thast have been created.
Not only because of the controversy of the endings ,but also because at some point the story itself derailed from its original path. A series that started as a inergalactic fight against the worst threat the universe had ever faced, in this 3rd part came down to a conflict between human characters (Shepard and TIM)
Out of the blue, Harbinger became a recurring character, while the same time Cerberus evolved from a crime syndicate in ME1 to being a ridiculously powerfull organization (taking in mind that the human race was the least advanced of all the main leading races.
All in all a great storyline lost its consistency.

Modifié par nwntask, 13 juillet 2012 - 08:41 .

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Oransel wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

I agree with all those, except for Fallout new vegas. That game was a broken piece of garbage, and doesn't even deserve a 0. 

You should have bought licensed version.

I got the standard version a few days after release. Never heard of ny licensed version.

[tonnactus]

AresKeith wrote...

ME2 was a very good game but I wouldn't give it a 10, because the main problem in that game was Bioware taking out the RPG Element that made ME1 great

Mass Effect railroaded shepard into working with cerberus instead of making this to a choice. It didnt matter if you saved the council or not,no difference. It not really matters if you saved Wrex. It for sure didnt matter if you did a sidequest for Nassana Dantius in the first game because the stupid frog killed her anyway and Shepard have to slaughter her bodyguards instead of contacting her and find a way to prevent this.
Shepard becoming cyberjesus is nearly as dumb as synthesis.
I dont know why this crappy game got so much praise.

Modifié par tonnactus, 13 juillet 2012 - 08:43 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

7/10 and that is being very generous.

So what game(s) do you consider a 10? 

Very few.

+9s though, I'll give you a couple.

Mass Effect 2

Red Dead Redemption

Dragon Age Origins

Fallout: New Vegas

Assassin's Creed 2

Elder Scrolls Morrowind.

Mass Effect 1 (for its time)

ETC.

I agree with all those, except for Fallout new vegas. That game was a broken piece of garbage, and doesn't even deserve a 0. 

Fallout New Vegas was hit or miss with a lot of people. Just like Skyrim. I encountered practically zero glitches in those games.

[WarGriffin]

tonnactus wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

ME2 was a very good game but I wouldn't give it a 10, because the main problem in that game was Bioware taking out the RPG Element that made ME1 great

Mass Effect railroaded shepard into working with cerberus instead of making this to a choice. It didnt matter if you saved the council or not,no difference. It not really matters if you saved Wrex. It for sure didnt matter if you did a sidequest for Nassana Dantius in the first game because the stupid frog killed her anyway and Shepard have to slaughter her bodyguards instead of contacting her and find a way to prevent this.
Shepard becoming cyberjesus is nearly as dumb as synthesis.
I dont know why this crappy game got so much praise.

Maybe ME2 was a warning sign that the BW writers were just gonna side step your choices unless they were outright force too- but then again They purposefully made miranda nearly unkillable in the SM so we all though she'd be big in ME3 -Seeing that her and thane are the poster squad for the game-


Or ME2 had enough plot excuses to get over the railroading

Shepard being forced into allying with Cerberus the same SOBs that fed a marine unit to a thresher maw for lols... Yeah i can see why being forced to work with them is a sore spot. Granted Atleast they let you as Shepard voice how bitter you are about the arrangement. -Cause let's be fair... If they did give you the option to say no... Shepard woundn't get in on the Collector plot nor would TIM give you the normandy and Me2 first 2 hours would be trying to prove your alive to people!-

I guess I can forgive ME2's light railroadings to ME3's pull you by the leash Railroading

ME2 atleast had some choice in what your doing next
ME3 has pretty much one path you follow

I guess the council scenes sum up Me2 and Me3 on your choices

In Me2
If you saved th council they atleast show up to mock you
If you didn't save the council the New alien council hates you and doesn't even bother to show up
if you made a human council thier to ingrateful to show up


In Me3
IF you saved the council, it's the orignals
If not it's a bunch of alien stand ins.

[tonnactus]

WarGriffin wrote...


Or ME2 had enough plot excuses to get over the railroading

Shepard being forced into allying with Cerberus the same SOBs that fed a marine unit to a thresher maw for lols... Yeah i can see why being forced to work with them is a sore spot. Granted Atleast they let you as Shepard voice how bitter you are about the arrangement.

Pointless because it didnt change anything.

-Cause let's be fair... If they did give you the option to say no... Shepard woundn't get in on the Collector plot nor would TIM give you the normandy and Me2 first 2 hours would be trying to prove your alive to people!-

Only because they wrote it this way. Fallout Vegas had 4 fractions to side with. In Mass Effect 2 they could have added the shadowbroker as an alternative or even a not braindead council.

In Me2

If you didn't save the council the New alien council hates you and doesn't even bother to show up

Didnt encountered much hate except some angry shopkeeper.

Modifié par tonnactus, 13 juillet 2012 - 09:30 .

[Ageless Face]

Oransel wrote...
1. Fans haven't liked useless resource scan, but they liked the exploration overall. Those little missions, which are not really sidequests or fetch quests - in ME1 there were a lot of abandoned ships, distress signals; in ME2 there were controlling robot to gather some resources mission, abandoned ship parcour quest and many others. That's what I mean by exploration and no, there were no such things in ME3.

2. Maybe main story is shorter in ME1 and 2, but I have never abandoned side missions and exploration. They are integral part of the game for me. First two games are much much larger overall than streamlined ME3 story.

3. Crucible is an asspull. Plot device coming out of nowhere in the middle of the story. Simply, it's a very unprofessional, bad writing. Especially, if devs said that "there won't be Reaper turn off button".

4. Rachni, Collectors base, geth... One of the hardest of choices gives you... 100 EMS points? Really? Yeah, I see how game acknowledged my decisions. In the end it does not matter, it is overwritten into 4 horrible endings, anyway. The only choice that matters is that in the end. That is simply wrong. So, we have almost no meaning for choices through the ME3 and no choices matter in the end at all.

5. Catalyst is Deus Ex Machina. That's enough to hate him already. i am not even speaking about how badly written he is or how flawed is his logic. Yes, I include EC here.

6. Here I can agree with you. Execution could be much better.

7. Well, good for you. My Shep had big trouble with importing his face.

8. No, they were not fixed in the EC. From 2/10 score, they got to 4/10. They are exactly the same sh*t, but EC put some sugar on it.

9. Hmm... Maybe I am wrong here, it should go to "Insults from Bioware".

10. See my points on 3, 4 and 5. Also check auto-dialogue problem.

11. Gaming experience suffers when developers act in such a way. Sorry.

1. No, many also didn't like the exploration. And the Vehicles.

2. Well, maybe you don't skip. But many others do. Side quests don't make the story. They are all, well, side quests. And like I said, the exploration in ME made the game look like 35+ hours when you could have done it in 27- hours with side quests.

3. Comes out of nowhere. Like, lets say, the Collectors in ME2? We never heard of them in ME1. Something must move the plot. In ME3's case, it was the Crucible.

4. Your decision was acknowlaged. "choices don't matter" is not true. It may be not enough acknowlagemt in your opinion, and that is a valid complaint. Yet subjective. It's your opinon alone. Besides, there are also other choices that were fairly acknowlaged. So not really ALL choices were left aside.

5. I never played Dues Ex Machina. So what exactly is your point here? That the idea was taken from another game? Do you have any idea how many things in the media are copying other things? There is barely something today that is original.

7. Okay, so that is one bug. What are the rest exactly?

8. In my opinon, it's 8.5/10. Does that make the EC truly 4/10 or 8.5/10? No. That is left for personal opinion only.

10. No that doesn't anwer my question. The other two games had were relavant. They are not completley necessary to play, like every trilogy of book doesn't make reading the first or second book as completley necessary. But playing the first two games is important as it is to play ME1 if you want to play ME2. And I say that as someone who played ME2 prior to ME1.

11. And if there are people that didn't see the so called "insults"? Does that mean the game is still bad because of it? And you didn't answer my question. What exactly were the insults? Did BioWare ever call you stupid? Artistic integrity is nowhere near insult. If you felt offended because of that (also, what make artistic integrity offensive?), then it's you personally. Not BioWare. You shouldn't feel offenced on that more than any other artsit will tell you he's not going to change his work.

Modifié par HagarIshay, 13 juillet 2012 - 09:31 .

[Binary_Helix 1]

moater boat wrote...

Yes, it is bad. The only reason to play it is because of the first two. Judged on its own merits it sucks, and more importantly, judged by the same standards that made the first two great, it is an abysmal failure.

Well said.

[EnvyTB075]

stonbw1 wrote...

It's wild to see how many people in retrospect love ME2. Don't you all remember that the game was SLAMMED on these boards for being COD-ish, no RPG, boring story... and oh yeah.. a stupid terminator. But now, I suppose, it is amazing... go figure.

>Wasn't on BSN for that
>Still thinks ME2 is best of series.

[NedPepper]

Just for context...give me an example of "great" game. A perfect game. I just want to know what kind of argument I'm about to get into.

[sp0ck 06]

Every single thing your OP listed is a matter of opinion. Bad post is bad.

[CronoDragoon]

tonnactus wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

ME2 was a very good game but I wouldn't give it a 10, because the main problem in that game was Bioware taking out the RPG Element that made ME1 great

Mass Effect railroaded shepard into working with cerberus instead of making this to a choice. It didnt matter if you saved the council or not,no difference. It not really matters if you saved Wrex. It for sure didnt matter if you did a sidequest for Nassana Dantius in the first game because the stupid frog killed her anyway and Shepard have to slaughter her bodyguards instead of contacting her and find a way to prevent this.
Shepard becoming cyberjesus is nearly as dumb as synthesis.
I dont know why this crappy game got so much praise.

Mass Effect 1 railroaded Shepard into going after Saren. I wanted the option to join a future football league and live out my Starship Troopers fantasy instead.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

CronoDragoon wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

ME2 was a very good game but I wouldn't give it a 10, because the main problem in that game was Bioware taking out the RPG Element that made ME1 great

Mass Effect railroaded shepard into working with cerberus instead of making this to a choice. It didnt matter if you saved the council or not,no difference. It not really matters if you saved Wrex. It for sure didnt matter if you did a sidequest for Nassana Dantius in the first game because the stupid frog killed her anyway and Shepard have to slaughter her bodyguards instead of contacting her and find a way to prevent this.
Shepard becoming cyberjesus is nearly as dumb as synthesis.
I dont know why this crappy game got so much praise.

Mass Effect 1 railroaded Shepard into going after Saren. I wanted the option to join a future football league and live out my Starship Troopers fantasy instead.

Exactly! These games shouldn't have storylines dammit!

[txgoldrush]

Wow...this post shows once again the IDIOT fanbase Yahtzee was talking about.

And as for choices not mattering, try ANY Bioware game.

[TJBartlemus]

Your OP is a cool story man. Wrong. Not proof, just opinion. But cool story bro.

[BatmanPWNS]

I'd give ME3 a 6/10 because:

- The journal
- The story was weak (as always)
- The fetch quest and lack of side missions (only like 7)
- Almost all your choices have no MAJOR consequence like Bioware said they would.
- The ending and the lack of closure (before EC)
- Autodialogues (The sin of Mass Effect 3 and destroyer of all Pro-human renegade Shepards)
- Jacob and Thane
- The MP has only one mode and it's very repetitive.

[TJBartlemus]

txgoldrush wrote...

Wow...this post shows once again the IDIOT fanbase Yahtzee was talking about.

And as for choices not mattering, try ANY Bioware game.

The idiots in the fanbase more like. Not all of BSN are total morons. I actually know some really intelligent people in the BSN. People just need to get better educated on things before posting ignorant comments or threads. The poster of this thread needs to make this comment in an existing thread. Not make a new one. It's just disrespectful towards BioWare. 

[Galbrant]

Meh when Fallout New Vegas first came out it was a glitchy and bug riddle mess. But they did patch patch most things up at the end. My only problem is they never fixed the Armor clipping. It annoys me to no end when my gun is welded in the back of my power armor. And half of the enemies are still immune to explosives half the time. >_> So because of their blunder I am secretly glad they didn't get that bonus. Okay it isn't a secret anymore.

[tonnactus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mass Effect 1 railroaded Shepard into going after Saren.

Apples and Oranges. A game with a goal could have different ways of how to achieve them. Best examples:
Witcher 2, Fallout New Vegas and Alpha Protocol.

[liggy002]

Oransel wrote...

That's right. It's a bad, mediocre game. 

Redeeming features:

Garrus
Tuchanka arc
Rannoch arc
Weapon mods
Smooth combat system

What makes it bad? (bolded the parts that are intolerable)

Auto-dialogue. Canon Shep.
Almost no side missions, but tons of fetch quests.
No Galaxy exploration. No vehicles.
No ME2 characters as a squadmates or even proper LI's.
Game is very short, compared to previous games. 
Crucible.
Choices did not matter.
Introduction/beginning.
Catalyst's existence.
Overall plot is very weak - Kai Leng power armor, Cerberus and so on.
Bugs. Tons of them. 
Journal.
Endings.
Artistic integrity.
that stupid kid, and Shepard's nightmares about him.
the rest of the games are irrelevant.
Insults from Bioware.

Bad game is bad.

Agreed, Mass Effect 3 is not a good game.  I prefer Diablo 3 and the Witcher 2.

[djarlaks10]

liggy002 wrote...


Agreed, Mass Effect 3 is not a good game.  I prefer Diablo 3 and the Witcher 2.

ME3 has it's flaws, but you think Diablo 3 is better? What is this I don't even...

[CronoDragoon]

tonnactus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mass Effect 1 railroaded Shepard into going after Saren.

Apples and Oranges. A game with a goal could have different ways of how to achieve them. Best examples:
Witcher 2, Fallout New Vegas and Alpha Protocol.

And what are the different ways you could go after Saren? Why can't I tell the Alliance to stick it and start my own pirate ship?