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[CronoDragoon]

liggy002 wrote...

Agreed, Mass Effect 3 is not a good game.  I prefer Diablo 3 and the Witcher 2.

The Witcher 2 has an interesting story, but some of the worst gameplay I've had to suffer through since Eternal Sonata.

[djarlaks10]

CronoDragoon wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mass Effect 1 railroaded Shepard into going after Saren.

Apples and Oranges. A game with a goal could have different ways of how to achieve them. Best examples:
Witcher 2, Fallout New Vegas and Alpha Protocol.

And what are the different ways you could go after Saren? Why can't I tell the Alliance to stick it and start my own pirate ship?

You could go to Feros first, or to Noveria first. Choices 

[txgoldrush]

djarlaks10 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mass Effect 1 railroaded Shepard into going after Saren.

Apples and Oranges. A game with a goal could have different ways of how to achieve them. Best examples:
Witcher 2, Fallout New Vegas and Alpha Protocol.

And what are the different ways you could go after Saren? Why can't I tell the Alliance to stick it and start my own pirate ship?

You could go to Feros first, or to Noveria first. Choices 

Choices that don't matter...

In fact, not railroading a story makes it lose focus...and ME1 and ME2 lacks focus.

[Brovikk Rasputin]

tonnactus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mass Effect 1 railroaded Shepard into going after Saren.

Apples and Oranges. A game with a goal could have different ways of how to achieve them. Best examples:
Witcher 2, Fallout New Vegas and Alpha Protocol.

Alpha Protocol has the exact same damn ending with the boat, no matter what you do. The game was cool and had a sweet dialogue system, but your choices really didn't mean much.

[djarlaks10]

txgoldrush wrote...

djarlaks10 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mass Effect 1 railroaded Shepard into going after Saren.

Apples and Oranges. A game with a goal could have different ways of how to achieve them. Best examples:
Witcher 2, Fallout New Vegas and Alpha Protocol.

And what are the different ways you could go after Saren? Why can't I tell the Alliance to stick it and start my own pirate ship?

You could go to Feros first, or to Noveria first. Choices 

Choices that don't matter...

In fact, not railroading a story makes it lose focus...and ME1 and ME2 lacks focus.

I wouldn't say that ME1 lacks focus. Well, unless you explore uncharted planets for several hours.

[CronoDragoon]

djarlaks10 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mass Effect 1 railroaded Shepard into going after Saren.

Apples and Oranges. A game with a goal could have different ways of how to achieve them. Best examples:
Witcher 2, Fallout New Vegas and Alpha Protocol.

And what are the different ways you could go after Saren? Why can't I tell the Alliance to stick it and start my own pirate ship?

You could go to Feros first, or to Noveria first. Choices 

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[Brovikk Rasputin]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mass Effect 1 railroaded Shepard into going after Saren.

Apples and Oranges. A game with a goal could have different ways of how to achieve them. Best examples:
Witcher 2, Fallout New Vegas and Alpha Protocol.

Alpha Protocol has the exact same damn ending with the boat, no matter what you do.

You can join Halbech as your ending, actually.

But the boat is still there, if I remember correctly. 

[liggy002]

CronoDragoon wrote...

djarlaks10 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mass Effect 1 railroaded Shepard into going after Saren.

Apples and Oranges. A game with a goal could have different ways of how to achieve them. Best examples:
Witcher 2, Fallout New Vegas and Alpha Protocol.

And what are the different ways you could go after Saren? Why can't I tell the Alliance to stick it and start my own pirate ship?

You could go to Feros first, or to Noveria first. Choices 

?

This was present in ME3 but to a much lesser extent.  And most of these missions were just fetch scanning quests.

[djarlaks10]

CronoDragoon wrote...

djarlaks10 wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mass Effect 1 railroaded Shepard into going after Saren.

Apples and Oranges. A game with a goal could have different ways of how to achieve them. Best examples:
Witcher 2, Fallout New Vegas and Alpha Protocol.

And what are the different ways you could go after Saren? Why can't I tell the Alliance to stick it and start my own pirate ship?

You could go to Feros first, or to Noveria first. Choices 

?

Yeah, lots of choices here. Screw New Vegas and stuff like that (haven't played The Witcher 2 yet so can't comment about the different routes there, but damn, New Vegas was awesome)

[Brovikk Rasputin]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mass Effect 1 railroaded Shepard into going after Saren.

Apples and Oranges. A game with a goal could have different ways of how to achieve them. Best examples:
Witcher 2, Fallout New Vegas and Alpha Protocol.

Alpha Protocol has the exact same damn ending with the boat, no matter what you do.

You can join Halbech as your ending, actually.

But the boat is still there, if I remember correctly. 

You can end it just standing on the dock with Leland.

Oh. Well, I don't know if that's much better to be honest.

[CronoDragoon]

djarlaks10 wrote...

Yeah, lots of choices here. Screw New Vegas and stuff like that (haven't played The Witcher 2 yet so can't comment about the different routes there, but damn, New Vegas was awesome)

New Vegas is sitting on my shelf currently, waiting to be played! I'm not dissing New Vegas or The Witcher 2's choices or anything. I'm just comparing ME1 and ME2 in terms of choice.

Defending ME2 and 3 at the expense of 1 is exhausting. I liked ME1 and would rather not point out the flaws but damn people like to wax goddamn nostalgic around here.

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 13 juillet 2012 - 11:49 .

[txgoldrush]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

tonnactus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

Mass Effect 1 railroaded Shepard into going after Saren.

Apples and Oranges. A game with a goal could have different ways of how to achieve them. Best examples:
Witcher 2, Fallout New Vegas and Alpha Protocol.

Alpha Protocol has the exact same damn ending with the boat, no matter what you do.

You can join Halbech as your ending, actually.

Choice and consquence is sooooo overrated in that game.

Nevermind I never gave a damn because they fail to develop anything.

[djarlaks10]

CronoDragoon wrote...

djarlaks10 wrote...

Yeah, lots of choices here. Screw New Vegas and stuff like that (haven't played The Witcher 2 yet so can't comment about the different routes there, but damn, New Vegas was awesome)

New Vegas is sitting on my shelf currently, waiting to be played! I'm not dissing New Vegas or The Witcher 2's choices or anything. I'm just comparing ME1 and ME2 in terms of choice.

Defending ME2 and 3 at the expense of 1 is exhausting. I liked ME1 and would rather not point out the flaws but damn people like to wax goddamn nostalgic around here.

Well, probably because the majority here prefer ME1 to 2 and 3. And thinking about good old times makes you forget about the mess that BW made with Star-**** and his stupid choices.
As for New Vegas, go play it. The game is really good.

[tonnactus]

CronoDragoon wrote...


And what are the different ways you could go after Saren?

Already answered. Also i could not recruit tali/samara/legion etc.  before recruiting garrus(pc players could do this with modding the game)
This wasnt a problem in the first game because the squad was nearly complete after reaching the citadel.

And it has an invisible mission counter that,if reached a specific number of missions, forced the player to do what the illusive man wants.

[NedPepper]

CronoDragoon wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Agreed, Mass Effect 3 is not a good game.  I prefer Diablo 3 and the Witcher 2.

The Witcher 2 has an interesting story, but some of the worst gameplay I've had to suffer through since Eternal Sonata.

This.  This forum hyped up Witcher 2 SOOOO much.  I was thriled it was on the X-Box.  I get it....and the gameplay is atrocious.  I now know not to base anything off of the BSN's hive mind.  Really disappointed.

[tonnactus]

nedpepper wrote...


This.  This forum hyped up Witcher 2 SOOOO much.  I was thriled it was on the X-Box.  I get it....and the gameplay is atrocious. 

Why?
What exactly is "atrocious"?

Modifié par tonnactus, 14 juillet 2012 - 12:13 .

[Shepard Wins]

Potential wasted... Still, in ME3 Shepard FINALLY learned not to put his goddamn finger on the goddamn trigger when not firing/aiming a weapon. That's a plus

[Apple Lantern]

It's only a bad game when compared to its predecessors. If ME3 was a stand-alone title, it would probably be considered great. Most of the points presented deal with this games connection to the trilogy, but as a GAME, it's mostly great. It's STORY is messed up, but it's still good as far as being a game goes.

[NedPepper]

CronoDragoon wrote...

djarlaks10 wrote...

Yeah, lots of choices here. Screw New Vegas and stuff like that (haven't played The Witcher 2 yet so can't comment about the different routes there, but damn, New Vegas was awesome)

New Vegas is sitting on my shelf currently, waiting to be played! I'm not dissing New Vegas or The Witcher 2's choices or anything. I'm just comparing ME1 and ME2 in terms of choice.

Defending ME2 and 3 at the expense of 1 is exhausting. I liked ME1 and would rather not point out the flaws but damn people like to wax goddamn nostalgic around here.

I like the Fallout franchise.  But I can sit here and point out the flaws in those games too.  The truth is, you can do it with just about any game.  And I agree, "this nostalgic "ME 1 was the greatest game I ever played" crap is getting so tiresome.  There were a lot of little things in ME1 that were tiresome, repetitive, and flat out boring.  The inventory was a mess.  The Mako lost its charm quick and the exploratioin became torture.  It's not "the perfect game" by a long shot.  I don't even think it's the most popular in the series. Because if you did a poll, I can almost gaurantee you that ME2 would win.  In fact, I think someone around did just that, and ME2 was the most popular of the three games.

[Saint Op]

nedpepper wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Agreed, Mass Effect 3 is not a good game.  I prefer Diablo 3 and the Witcher 2.

The Witcher 2 has an interesting story, but some of the worst gameplay I've had to suffer through since Eternal Sonata.

This.  This forum hyped up Witcher 2 SOOOO much.  I was thriled it was on the X-Box.  I get it....and the gameplay is atrocious.  I now know not to base anything off of the BSN's hive mind.  Really disappointed.

HA! Same here gameplay was meh, story meh, ending was really bad ...understand it was probably a set up and what lead to it seemed like choices but...meh.

[CronoDragoon]

tonnactus wrote...

CronoDragoon wrote...


And what are the different ways you could go after Saren?

Already answered. Also i could not recruit tali/samara/legion etc.  before recruiting garrus(pc players could do this with modding the game)
This wasnt a problem in the first game because the squad was nearly complete after reaching the citadel.

And it has an invisible mission counter that,if reached a specific number of missions, forced the player to do what the illusive man wants.

I just scrolled through your posts in this thread and found nothing, so please just do me a favor and post why ME1's railroading is okay but ME2's isn't.

Even without being able to recruit the second batch of characters right away, ME2 still has more choice on how you progress than ME1.

[CronoDragoon]

Saint Op wrote..
 HA! Same here gameplay was meh, story meh, ending was really bad ...understand it was probably a set up and what lead to it seemed like choices but...meh.

I thought the story was good. Saskia is a great character, and I was disappointed that dragon sex is apparently frowned upon by CDPR. 

Modifié par CronoDragoon, 14 juillet 2012 - 12:31 .

[NedPepper]

tonnactus wrote...

nedpepper wrote...


This.  This forum hyped up Witcher 2 SOOOO much.  I was thriled it was on the X-Box.  I get it....and the gameplay is atrocious. 

Why?
What exactly is "atrocious"?

The leveling up process.  What are there, three skills?  Fighting, magic, and alchemy?   (I bought it when it came out, got frustrated, and haven't touched it sense.) Actual fighting the enemy.  It feels clunky.  Or maybe I can't get used to it, but I rarely come across a game where I can't learn how to play the game.  When a game comes with a thick manual telling you how complicated the gameplay can be...that's a problem.  And not just because it's difficult...it's a little dull, to be honest.  The VA is really mediocre, and there's a feeling of lost in translation with some of the dialogue. 
 
I'll probably go back to it, but my first impression....overrated. Immensely overrated.  People talked about it like it was last great RPG.  To be honest, I'll stick with Dragon Age.  First or second game.  I enjoyed both styles.