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[Shepardtheshepard]

txgoldrush wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

If you don't understand why Mass Effect 1 was an amazing experience and sets itself apart from Mass Effect 3, then you're the kind of gamer that cares only about gameplay and graphics. Nothing wrong with that btw.

Mass Effect 1 was a true artistic game. So was Mass Effect 2. 3 on the other hand became a fast paced action shooter just like every other game these days.

Please....

Mass Effect 3 rises above ME1, video games, and almost all space operas in showing the characters humanity and talking about sacrifice, death, and loss.

ME1 is the most like a traditional space opera....too bad.

There is so much wrong within your first sentence i wouldn't know where to begin. Not so much that you said it rises above ME1, cause hey everyone has their opinion. But you go about saying it rises above video games and
"all space operas in showing the characters humanity and talking about sacrifice, death, and loss."

Cut me a break. I know you loved the game, but really? You're gonna treat ME3 like it's end all be all sci fi story? A 10 year old could explain in intricate detail, what a dumb statement you just made.

Name one scifi space saga that portrays the humanity of the characters better than ME3?

That is ME3's STRENGTH.

ME1 doesn't have this.

Star Trek. Especially Deep Space Nine towards the end, when it goes into full war movie mode.

[marcustheMezz]

 And how some people look at the endings and say there fine because it was a "dark" series, that is NOT what it started out as, and NOT what it should've been.

[txgoldrush]

Shepardtheshepard wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

If you don't understand why Mass Effect 1 was an amazing experience and sets itself apart from Mass Effect 3, then you're the kind of gamer that cares only about gameplay and graphics. Nothing wrong with that btw.

Mass Effect 1 was a true artistic game. So was Mass Effect 2. 3 on the other hand became a fast paced action shooter just like every other game these days.

Please....

Mass Effect 3 rises above ME1, video games, and almost all space operas in showing the characters humanity and talking about sacrifice, death, and loss.

ME1 is the most like a traditional space opera....too bad.

There is so much wrong within your first sentence i wouldn't know where to begin. Not so much that you said it rises above ME1, cause hey everyone has their opinion. But you go about saying it rises above video games and
"all space operas in showing the characters humanity and talking about sacrifice, death, and loss."

Cut me a break. I know you loved the game, but really? You're gonna treat ME3 like it's end all be all sci fi story? A 10 year old could explain in intricate detail, what a dumb statement you just made.

Name one scifi space saga that portrays the humanity of the characters better than ME3?

That is ME3's STRENGTH.

ME1 doesn't have this.

Star Trek. Especially Deep Space Nine towards the end, when it goes into full war movie mode.

For some episodes....yes, but only some...as well as the newest movies opening sequence. They match ME3 when it comes to bringing out the humanity in its characters...also, "The Visitor", one of the best Star Trek episodes ever made.



In fact "In The Pale Moonlight" may have influenced the Renegade path of Mass Effect.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 14 juillet 2012 - 06:51 .

[nos_astra]

Shepardtheshepard wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
Name one scifi space saga that portrays the humanity of the characters better than ME3?

That is ME3's STRENGTH.

ME1 doesn't have this.

Star Trek. Especially Deep Space Nine towards the end, when it goes into full war movie mode.

Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica

Modifié par klarabella, 14 juillet 2012 - 06:52 .

[txgoldrush]

klarabella wrote...

Shepardtheshepard wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

If you don't understand why Mass Effect 1 was an amazing experience and sets itself apart from Mass Effect 3, then you're the kind of gamer that cares only about gameplay and graphics. Nothing wrong with that btw.

Mass Effect 1 was a true artistic game. So was Mass Effect 2. 3 on the other hand became a fast paced action shooter just like every other game these days.

Please....

Mass Effect 3 rises above ME1, video games, and almost all space operas in showing the characters humanity and talking about sacrifice, death, and loss.

ME1 is the most like a traditional space opera....too bad.

There is so much wrong within your first sentence i wouldn't know where to begin. Not so much that you said it rises above ME1, cause hey everyone has their opinion. But you go about saying it rises above video games and
"all space operas in showing the characters humanity and talking about sacrifice, death, and loss."

Cut me a break. I know you loved the game, but really? You're gonna treat ME3 like it's end all be all sci fi story? A 10 year old could explain in intricate detail, what a dumb statement you just made.

Name one scifi space saga that portrays the humanity of the characters better than ME3?

That is ME3's STRENGTH.

ME1 doesn't have this.

Star Trek. Especially Deep Space Nine towards the end, when it goes into full war movie mode.

Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica

No, not as well.

[Xeranx]

txgoldrush wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

If you don't understand why Mass Effect 1 was an amazing experience and sets itself apart from Mass Effect 3, then you're the kind of gamer that cares only about gameplay and graphics. Nothing wrong with that btw.

Mass Effect 1 was a true artistic game. So was Mass Effect 2. 3 on the other hand became a fast paced action shooter just like every other game these days.

Please....

Mass Effect 3 rises above ME1, video games, and almost all space operas in showing the characters humanity and talking about sacrifice, death, and loss.

ME1 is the most like a traditional space opera....too bad.

There is so much wrong within your first sentence i wouldn't know where to begin. Not so much that you said it rises above ME1, cause hey everyone has their opinion. But you go about saying it rises above video games and
"all space operas in showing the characters humanity and talking about sacrifice, death, and loss."

Cut me a break. I know you loved the game, but really? You're gonna treat ME3 like it's end all be all sci fi story? A 10 year old could explain in intricate detail, what a dumb statement you just made.

Name one scifi space saga that portrays the humanity of the characters better than ME3?

That is ME3's STRENGTH.

ME1 doesn't have this.

Are we limiting the scope of your challenge to space opera or any story that occurs in space?  Because Firefly does a great deal to humanize the characters.  It does it even more so in Serenity.

Star Trek Voyager also does a good job in showing the humanity of its characters.  It gets campy from time to time, but they do delve into loss, family, horror, friendship, etc.  Heck, the whole thing with Seven of Nine is practically EDI.  The loss of Kess was terrible.  In fact, I don't think the show was the same after that.  I remember when I saw that (and it was on reruns by then) that I absolutely hated it.  Kess was an awesome character.

[txgoldrush]

Xeranx wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

If you don't understand why Mass Effect 1 was an amazing experience and sets itself apart from Mass Effect 3, then you're the kind of gamer that cares only about gameplay and graphics. Nothing wrong with that btw.

Mass Effect 1 was a true artistic game. So was Mass Effect 2. 3 on the other hand became a fast paced action shooter just like every other game these days.

Please....

Mass Effect 3 rises above ME1, video games, and almost all space operas in showing the characters humanity and talking about sacrifice, death, and loss.

ME1 is the most like a traditional space opera....too bad.

There is so much wrong within your first sentence i wouldn't know where to begin. Not so much that you said it rises above ME1, cause hey everyone has their opinion. But you go about saying it rises above video games and
"all space operas in showing the characters humanity and talking about sacrifice, death, and loss."

Cut me a break. I know you loved the game, but really? You're gonna treat ME3 like it's end all be all sci fi story? A 10 year old could explain in intricate detail, what a dumb statement you just made.

Name one scifi space saga that portrays the humanity of the characters better than ME3?

That is ME3's STRENGTH.

ME1 doesn't have this.

Are we limiting the scope of your challenge to space opera or any story that occurs in space?  Because Firefly does a great deal to humanize the characters.  It does it even more so in Serenity.

Star Trek Voyager also does a good job in showing the humanity of its characters.  It gets campy from time to time, but they do delve into loss, family, horror, friendship, etc.  Heck, the whole thing with Seven of Nine is practically EDI.  The loss of Kess was terrible.  In fact, I don't think the show was the same after that.  I remember when I saw that (and it was on reruns by then) that I absolutely hated it.  Kess was an awesome character.

The thing about ME3 though is it revolves around death and loss, not just has them in it.

Its rare for a space opera, much less a video game.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Its rare for a space opera, much less a video game.

...Not really.

And I wouldn't say ME3 revolves around death and loss either.

[txgoldrush]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Its rare for a space opera, much less a video game.

...Not really.

And I wouldn't say ME3 revolves around death and loss either.

When the story has sacrifice as its main theme....yes it does.

[nos_astra]

txgoldrush wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Shepardtheshepard wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
Name one scifi space saga that portrays the humanity of the characters better than ME3?

That is ME3's STRENGTH.

ME1 doesn't have this.

Star Trek. Especially Deep Space Nine towards the end, when it goes into full war movie mode.

Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica

No, not as well.

If you want to compare you'll have to be more specific. Blanket statements don't cut it.

I'd like to add Stargate: Universe to the list.

Or maybe I just misunderstand what you mean by "portraying the humanity of the characters"?

[nos_astra]

txgoldrush wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Its rare for a space opera, much less a video game.

...Not really.

And I wouldn't say ME3 revolves around death and loss either.

When the story has sacrifice as its main theme....yes it does.

I don't see how it has sacrifice as a main theme. Could you elaborate?

[What a Succulent Ass]

txgoldrush wrote...

When the story has sacrifice as its main theme....yes it does.

Except that's not the main theme. It's simply a major one (if even that)--just as the story doesn't revolve around "death and loss," but rather utilises them as elements.

That being said, death worship and GRIMDAHK doesn't make any media "mature." And ME3 did all of that badly.

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 14 juillet 2012 - 07:09 .

[txgoldrush]

klarabella wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

klarabella wrote...

Shepardtheshepard wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
Name one scifi space saga that portrays the humanity of the characters better than ME3?

That is ME3's STRENGTH.

ME1 doesn't have this.

Star Trek. Especially Deep Space Nine towards the end, when it goes into full war movie mode.

Babylon 5, Battlestar Galactica

No, not as well.

If you want to compare you'll have to be more specific. Blanket statements don't cut it.

I'd like to add Stargate: Universe to the list.

Or maybe I just misunderstand what you mean by "portraying the humanity of the characters"?

Those series you listed do portray the humanity of the characters, they do not do it as well as Mass Effect 2 or 3.

To be fair, Mass Effect is more concentrated and the number of episodes do dilute the moments of a Star Trek or a Battlestar Galactica. Also the serial format weakens their character development. Most Star Trek basically resets the characters every episode as well.

ME2 and ME3 roll in all into one story. And the themes of ME3 and the atmosphere it has is hard to match.

[txgoldrush]

klarabella wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Its rare for a space opera, much less a video game.

...Not really.

And I wouldn't say ME3 revolves around death and loss either.

When the story has sacrifice as its main theme....yes it does.

I don't see how it has sacrifice as a main theme. Could you elaborate?

Word of God said so.....

The conflicts with both antagonists revolve around sacrifice....which basically the real conflict is about those willing to give their lives for the mission and loved ones vs those who forcibly sacrifice others to achieve their goals, which is TIM and The Catalyst. This is really evident in the last confrontation with TIM, and also the ending choices all involve sacrifice.

Nevermind the countless sacrifices throughout the game or the many conversations revolving around sacrifice, both from those willing to give their lives and from a leaders perspective when their actions determines who makes the sacrifice.

[The Heretic of Time]

txgoldrush wrote...

Its ME1 thats the tradiitional space opera....ME2 and ME3 want to be somthing more.

And failed at it.

[txgoldrush]

Game Nexus nailed it on the head.....

"So how do the denizens of the galaxy handle such news? Well, at least as far as Shepard and her cronies are concerned, they finally live, not only as in-universe characters, but as out-of-universe avatars whose job it is to guide the player through a series of feelings and emotions as they play. Thanks to BioWare’s amazing ability to breath life into these characters in a way they haven’t quite done before, Mass Effect 3 is far and away the most emotional game of, not only the Mass Effect series, but every console RPG BioWare has put out in the last ten years or so. I’m routinely entertained by the dialogue and character interaction in BioWare games, but Mass Effect 3 is the first time I’ve ever been moved by the dialogue and character interactions in a BioWare game. The fear, sadness, and despair these characters are feeling as their homeworlds burn and their families remain lost is palpable, and when they do get to experience brief moments of joy, it’s made all the more sweet. And it’s not just when you talk to them, but it’s also expressed in the way they interact with each other. "

"
That is, by far, Mass Effect 3’s greatest accomplishment. All the familiar characters, from old teammates like Tali and Garrus to background characters like Joker and Dr. Chakwas sparkle with this newfound humanity. No longer are they digital mannequins that spout compelling and/or humorous dialogue. Now they are true characters with individual personalities that I could relate to in ways I couldn’t in previous BioWare titles. I find it fascinating that it took their darkest title in a long long time to allow them the space (or motivate them) to wind the characters up into something greater than they’ve ever been before. It took the end of everything to force the characters to finally live, and maybe it took writing about the end of everything that forced BioWare to finally live as well."

[Funkdrspot]

Mdoggy1214 wrote...

If you don't understand why Mass Effect 1 was an amazing experience and sets itself apart from Mass Effect 3, then you're the kind of gamer that cares only about gameplay and graphics. Nothing wrong with that btw.

Mass Effect 1 was a true artistic game. So was Mass Effect 2. 3 on the other hand became a fast paced action shooter just like every other game these days.

i dont get what youre trying to say...EVERY gamer cares about gameplay. why else would you play a game if it wasnt FUN above all else? having said that, what youre trying to do is make a subtle dig at peopl who disagree with you basically being superficial and unintelligent. i can actually appreciate ME 1 and ME3 without subscribing to your doctrine of hating and nostalgia

[Dominus]

Yep, this pretty much sums it up. I greatly enjoyed the game, but I didn't take it with the same level of seriousness that I did with the first. Some spots like the Genophage missions and others felt about right. But yes, Kai Leng doing slashy-metal-gear-solid moves while on shep's car was just borderline hollywood, like the now-missing Terror K kept mentioning so often.

[Emerald Rift]

The series just got worse/stupid in terms of plot/dialogue (The beginning of ME2, the Committee in ME3 as examples) but better in gameplay. ME1 was not perfect and it had potential to be perfected in terms of gameplay. But Bioware just wanted a RPG/action hybrid (with the RPG elements getting weaker in each game).

[RoboticWays]

If ME1 had ME3's combat system it would be the best game of all time. ME1 was all about exploration, if you were tired of the story, you could land your mako on at least one planet in every system. You could take 20 hours to just soak in the whole universe. You could go to the Citadel and get lost, because it was HUGE. ME2 and ME3 were fantastic story driven games, but the one thing that they're missing is the sense of exploration you got from ME1. ME2 and ME3 were just too familiar, Its like Bioshock compared to Bioshock 2. As far as the way ME2 and ME3 could toy with your emotions.. thats never happened to me in ANY video game and that leads me to say that the reason ME2 and 3 are different from the 1st is because the 1st was used to immerse you, to introduce the universe BW created. I spent hours reading the codex from 1, the backstory is brilliant. I can honestly sit here, and back that the ME trilogy is the best video game trilogy of all time.

[Blueprotoss]

Shepardtheshepard wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Name one scifi space saga that portrays the humanity of the characters better than ME3?

That is ME3's STRENGTH.

ME1 doesn't have this.

Star Trek. Especially Deep Space Nine towards the end, when it goes into full war movie mode.

Deep Space Nine is a bad example while Stargate: Atantis would have been a better example.  Btw he was more so talking about video games.

marcustheMezz wrote...

 And how some people look at the endings and say there fine because it was a "dark" series, that is NOT what it started out as, and NOT what it should've been.

Here's a perfect example of a straw-mann especially when thats the opposite of what most of the "fans" have said. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 14 juillet 2012 - 08:59 .

[What a Succulent Ass]

Yet he did not specify the classification "video game."

[Blueprotoss]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Yet he did not specify the classification "video game."

Yet you blindly assume otherwise.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Yet that is not an assumption. He did not, in fact, make any specifications.

[txgoldrush]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Yet that is not an assumption. He did not, in fact, make any specifications.

And I didn't

Mass Effect can match and surpass these franchises in the characterization department.