Mylia Stenetch wrote...
While the death of the Geth and EDI is sad, it also bring about their rebith into a new breed, since we can build them again, faster, stronger. A better AI.
o Ventus wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
Actually there aren't any plot holes in ME3 while it would affect the entire series if ME3 did have plot holes, which I already knew.
This is objectively false.
I love the irony here based on the misinformation.o Ventus wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
My comment is not realy nonsesical. I'm just say that ME1 is not as greataseveryone thinks it is. The same mature concept arethrough out the series. You just whining about space ninjas even though they have the teck to not only do it and based on the teck from ME1, it logical to work then. Really, you don't think a shild with a weakness of stopping slow moving objects should not be used?
Even more , Me2 and ME3 have more extreme situation and darker plots then ME1. ME2 and 3 ask more moraly conflicting question then ME1 ever did. Really, you put ME1 on way to high of a pedicile.
Your comment was incredibly nonsensical.
You're saying all of these things as if they are fact, yet you still haven't provided any evidence or examples.
Yet that is fact not opinion.o Ventus wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
Actually there aren't any plot holes in ME3 while it would affect the entire series if ME3 did have plot holes, which I already knew.
This is objectively false.
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 13 juillet 2012 - 09:33 .
Blueprotoss wrote...
Yet that is fact not opinion.o Ventus wrote...
Blueprotoss wrote...
Actually there aren't any plot holes in ME3 while it would affect the entire series if ME3 did have plot holes, which I already knew.
This is objectively false.
Modifié par AresKeith, 13 juillet 2012 - 09:32 .
Yet I'm only using the facts here and I see that you're still trying to pawn off opinions as facts, which tells us that you don't practice what you preach.AresKeith wrote...
just because you call it facts doesn''t mean it is, those plotholes were created by ME3, 1 and 2 had nothing to do with it
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 13 juillet 2012 - 09:36 .
Eain wrote...
Listen to this song from Mass Effect 1 as you read my post:
The Wards.
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So now the game is all space ninjas and space lassos and generic villains and explosions and witless one-liners. Just look at the latest Earth DLC for multiplayer and the style they've gone for. Does that look in any way like the throwback to 70's sci-fi this series started out as?
I'm at a point where it just feels increasingly easy to dismiss the entire third game as non-canon. The reasons are simple:
1) People are called the same but look different.
2) Thematically the game has nothing in common with its predecessors.
3) The Reapers adhere in no way to the invasion plan establish in earlier games.
4) TIM is completely out of character.
5) Shepard's autodialogue means that she speaks when I should be speaking for her.
6) Space ninjas start appearing out of nowhere.
7) The Crucible appears out of nowhere and has no foreshadowing.
8) The game disregards choices I made in previous installments.
9) Were it not for the Lazarus Project, a fan effort at fixing face import, my Shepard would have looked nothing like the one I played in ME1 and ME2.
Veneke wrote...
On the other hand, a great deal of what you've pointed out is, or should have been given the series' popularity, entirely expected. The more popular (read lucrative) a game becomes the more important it is to expand the player base. You've already hooked a particular market segment with ME 1 so ME 2 builds on that by grabbing a different market segment and finally then, ME 3 grabs another. The last one in particular is the broadest, because there is not another installment with which to gather more sales. In other words, you would not open a series of this type with a game like ME 3 and then develop it into a game like ME 1. Things like space ninjas, curious outfits, a big bad 'Empire' (it is horrofic what they did to Cerberus, frankly), an inane plot device that wasn't needed in the slightest (Crucible) etc are necessary simplifications to avoid the 'tedious' dialogue and exposition that, had the ME 1 style been preserved, would have been requried to explain how it all came together in a coherent, meaningful way. Such dialogue would have put-off the broader player base in favour of die-hard sci-fi fans who'd be buying the game anyway.
You must of skipped ME2 based on your views of "bare bones" and "teenage buyers". Its ironic that you say "MP buyers", "true fans", and "cost cutting" based on how ME3 was a huge improvement over ME2. Btw if you really think MP was to draw in "players" then you clearly haven't played it.Renmiri1 wrote...
QFT
PS: No fans would never had done such an abomination. What you see in ME3 is cost cutting and a half assed effort to keep the "bare bones" of what ME had, while catering to teenagers and MP buyers. True fans would never treat ME2 and ME1 characters and stories like that.
TookYoCookies wrote...
Mylia Stenetch wrote...
It was always a Space Opera through all three games. It started off happy since the world was not in war yet, then it got darker till the end when it was time to complete the story and everything became happy again.
Yeah...
"ME3 is Childs play."
AbsoluteApril wrote...
Mylia Stenetch wrote...
While the death of the Geth and EDI is sad, it also bring about their rebith into a new breed, since we can build them again, faster, stronger. A better AI.
but... but... then the cycle will start again with the 'better AI' rising up to destroy organics!
Modifié par Random Jerkface, 13 juillet 2012 - 10:11 .
You could say the same thing about ME1 and ME2 while some people would have been mad no matter what happened at the end of ME3 based on its the conclusion of Shepard's arc.Mylia Stenetch wrote...
If you want to look at it in such a childish way yes it is. ME3 was a failure of it's own hype it would never live up to what we wanted to be. At the end it brought hope, peace, and happiness with the EC. If it was brought out at release it would of been an easier pill to swallow since it would be brought us emotional closure on how we feel with the Shepard.
If ME3 really had plot holes then ME1 and ME2 would have plot holes as well.Random Jerkface wrote...
Wait. Are we actually arguing that there were no plotholes in ME3? That is what is actually happening? This is not some fever dream of mine?
There are mods for the grainy effect in ME3 if you're interested.Henioo wrote...
I miss the grainy effect ME1 had.
Modifié par Blueprotoss, 13 juillet 2012 - 10:22 .
QFT.Henioo wrote...
I miss the grainy effect ME1 had.
Henioo wrote...
I miss the grainy effect ME1 had.
Blueprotoss wrote...
Henioo wrote...
I miss the grainy effect ME1 had.
There are mods for the grainy effect in ME3 if you're interested.
k-stigus wrote...
Veneke wrote...
On the other hand, a great deal of what you've pointed out is, or should have been given the series' popularity, entirely expected. The more popular (read lucrative) a game becomes the more important it is to expand the player base. You've already hooked a particular market segment with ME 1 so ME 2 builds on that by grabbing a different market segment and finally then, ME 3 grabs another. The last one in particular is the broadest, because there is not another installment with which to gather more sales. In other words, you would not open a series of this type with a game like ME 3 and then develop it into a game like ME 1. Things like space ninjas, curious outfits, a big bad 'Empire' (it is horrofic what they did to Cerberus, frankly), an inane plot device that wasn't needed in the slightest (Crucible) etc are necessary simplifications to avoid the 'tedious' dialogue and exposition that, had the ME 1 style been preserved, would have been requried to explain how it all came together in a coherent, meaningful way. Such dialogue would have put-off the broader player base in favour of die-hard sci-fi fans who'd be buying the game anyway.
Broader appeal has always seemed like a lousy reason to change a game's style, considering the fact that there's a resonable chance a newcomer would never be interested in a third installment of a series he/she was never interested with in the first place. While that's how I feel they made mass effect 3, it still stays true to its orgins for the most part. However, I'm always left wondering, how much better it might have been if it felt the same way as the ME1
Henioo wrote...
I miss the grainy effect ME1 had.
Modifié par nitefyre410, 13 juillet 2012 - 10:42 .
They DO have plotholes. I would even go on to say that ME2 is one giant plothole. However, a good number of the problems in the overarching narrative are retroactively caused by ME3 sh*tting on logic and established lore left and right.Blueprotoss wrote...
If ME3 really had plot holes then ME1 and ME2 would have plot holes as well.Random Jerkface wrote...
Wait. Are we actually arguing that there were no plotholes in ME3? That is what is actually happening? This is not some fever dream of mine?
Modifié par Random Jerkface, 13 juillet 2012 - 11:13 .
nitefyre410 wrote...
What I don't miss...
"ENEMY IS EVERYWHERE."
sp0ck 06 wrote...
there's nothing "intelligent and mature" about it compared to 2 or 3. The writing is awful for the most part (case in point: the Benezia scene.)
Modifié par Henioo, 13 juillet 2012 - 11:07 .
sp0ck 06 wrote...
The game is not much fun to actually play compared to the sequels.
Xeranx wrote...
I hate when people make the statement about rose-tinted glasses or nostalgia because it assumes (wrongly) that people played ME and haven't been back to it since they started ME2, and later ME3. I played through ME2 four times before I went back to ME and created my last Shepard and right now I'm thinking about going back and finishing her run despite how the dialogue in ME3 plays out. I was actually in the middle of that run when ME3 came out. Had I finished before starting ME3, I would have run her through ME2 as well, ready to take on the Reapers come ME3.
My point is, it can't be classified as nostalgia if it still makes an impact on your present.
Modifié par CronoDragoon, 13 juillet 2012 - 11:11 .
Henioo wrote...
sp0ck 06 wrote...
there's nothing "intelligent and mature" about it compared to 2 or 3. The writing is awful for the most part (case in point: the Benezia scene.)
Oh, yeah. I can totally see how one's apperance is about writing. Gotta love that writing for Jack, innit? Writing all over that body.
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