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#2476
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JadeShepard wrote...

So I just realised the objective for this operation is to earn a revive medal.... lol.

Anyone reckon this could be symbolic of something? ; )



Destroy breath scene? Beam run? Shortage of medi-gel and available medical personnel for Hammer during Priority Earth?

I know not, but the end is nigh.

Upon the 100th page? Joy is nigh, I must celebrate



Upon endless tides of raging fans,
With busy moderators and many bans,
Through hatred, rage, and turmoil,
Bioware continues to toil.
Many speak about the end,
And what is next around the bend.
I.T. to Puzzle to Dreams, booze, and Nightmare,
With DLCs with lots of flare,
With endless posts with many trolls,
With unending light from hope's shoals,
I only hope that in the end,
Our faith's restored, our heart's will mend.

Modifié par OperatingWookie, 21 janvier 2013 - 03:06 .


#2477
KENNY4753

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First- YAY 100 PAGES!!!

Second- Geronimo was way too easy. It should have been to earn a gold revive medal but I dont think anything is symbolic about it. Like OperatingWookie said, shortage of med personnal for Hammer possibly.

Third- Until the very last piece of dlc there is still hope. btw was it confirmed that this will be the last SP dlc? I read that they claim all hands on deck and that it will be emotional but that doesnt mean it will be the final dlc.

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Some of the staff tweeted about going to their last planning meeting for the game. That, combined with the promise of "one year of support for ME3" when the game was released, causes many people to assume that the upcoming DLC will be the last.

#2479
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Thanks for the info ^^^

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DWH1982 wrote...

Some of the staff tweeted about going to their last planning meeting for the game. That, combined with the promise of "one year of support for ME3" when the game was released, causes many people to assume that the upcoming DLC will be the last.



Depressing, but hope remains.

#2481
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@ Ignis Mors <3
@Operating Wookie, love the poem :)
@ Kenny, there's a couple of thread on the No-spoilers forum where you can read about the tweets and last meeting.

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JadeShepard wrote...

@ Ignis Mors <3
@Operating Wookie, love the poem :)
@ Kenny, there's a couple of thread on the No-spoilers forum where you can read about the tweets and last meeting.



It is the first, but it will not be the last. Image IPB

#2483
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OperatingWookie wrote...

Upon endless tides of raging fans,
With busy moderators and many bans,
Through hatred, rage, and turmoil,
Bioware continues to toil.
Many speak about the end,
And what is next around the bend.
I.T. to Puzzle to Dreams, booze, and Nightmare,
With DLCs with lots of flare,
With endless posts with many trolls,
With unending light from hope's shoals,
I only hope that in the end,
Our faith's restored, our heart's will mend.


Dammit, someone left onions everywhere...:crying:

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Hyrule_Gal wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Upon endless tides of raging fans,
With busy moderators and many bans,
Through hatred, rage, and turmoil,
Bioware continues to toil.
Many speak about the end,
And what is next around the bend.
I.T. to Puzzle to Dreams, booze, and Nightmare,
With DLCs with lots of flare,
With endless posts with many trolls,
With unending light from hope's shoals,
I only hope that in the end,
Our faith's restored, our heart's will mend.


Dammit, someone left onions everywhere...:crying:



Thank you, it was my intent.

#2485
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 I was just thinking about ME3, and something hit me. Almost no one, Shepard included, acts as the previous games would indicate they would during a reaper invasion. It has me thinking, and maybe the next dlc will be a grand finale, that sets the stage for ME4, where you really face the reapers. Think about it, Harbinger leaves while Shepard is still alive. Reapers aren't that sloppy. Shepard contradicts him\\herself in the conversation with the commitee. He's the only one who can see the kid who turns out to be the starchild. Even on earth it's just Shepard. The child seems to have more effect on Shepard than Mordin, Thane, Legion, or anyone else who had served with him\\her even if it was his\\her LI. It doesn't even really bother Shepard. Even with the EC, you always get Liara as one of the pictures, even if throughout the series you were a total jerk to her.
And, the lack of choice in the game. There was no neutral option. Perhaps it's to show how Shepard resists the Indoctrination attempt. That the entire game is in Shepard's head while unconscious in the Arrival DLC. that it is linked to ME3 not in that you stalled the reapers, but in that you were knocked out by them, and put into a position where the galaxy is facing annihilation from a force that should not have been able to arrive so quickly. I didn't do the math myself, but other people did, and proved that the reapers got to the relay network, waaay too quickly after the Alpha Relay was destroyed. 
I think that the multiplayer 'operations' are not to help us piece together how to save Shepard and the synthetics in destroy, but are Shepard's subconscious helping him\\her fight the reapers. Did you find it strange that in the previous game that there were said to be only three Ardat Yaktshi, but in 3 there were obviously thousands, seeing from how many banshees the reapers were able to create. And, an early operation was to kill banshees. Perhaps the Commander's subconscious trying to tell him\\her that the banshees should not be that numerous, but it failed. Perhaps the ME3 multiplayer will not seriously affect ME3, but how ME4 goes. The StarChild and the final decision are the reapers final push to bend you to their will. 
But, in Destroy, Refuse, and possibly Control, you break free, and the 'breath' scene, is not Shepard. But, another N7 who was also captured by Kenson. Someone Hackett sent before going to Shepard. The rubble is a damaged section of the base on the asteroid. 
And, on the topic of DLC, don't you think it's a little convenient that we find the creators of the reapers after they attack, but they left absolutely no evidence of their existence beforehand. Wouldn't someone have noticed something was wrong with the mining place?  Or, that there were ancient ships from our cycle on a planet only recently discovered.
Omega. Why are we abandoning the war to help Aria? Why is it that Cerberus is in control of reaper forces with not very much trouble when they're barely able to control regular husks at Sanctuary? Why is it that the person who cares about the people of Omega dies? Is it a sign that if Shepard continues on his\\her current path they will die and become nothing but the next Saren?
And, there is the infamous Starchild bit. Why am I listening to what this thing says and not arguing? Why is it 'renegade' to tell this little brat to go **** himself? Why is it that the only option that is not destroying who I am put into a monstrous light? 
The only endings that do not paint the player as some kind of monster who would sacrifice an entire species to win, or some proud douchebag who will not do what is 'necessary' to save the galaxy destroy Shepard. They leave nothing left of the PC. Nothing left of Shepard, because you become nothing more than another Saren, another Collector General, a willing slave of the reapers. 
The TIM bit, that is a tougher one to explain as this idea, but still fairly simple. He is the Illusive Man you've been fighting all of ME3, but that Illusive Man is not the Illusive Man from ME2. No, it is simply a manifestation of the intelligence within Object Rho, which is trying to Indoctrinate you. Some might mention the Shepard bleeding scene as a sign of Indoctrination, but I see it as more of a wound from being blasted by Harbinger's main cannon. 
And now, my final saying on this version of IT\\PT, the stargazer scene. I think that the Shepard is a descendant of Shepard, and Shepard is the one telling the story. That after defeating the reapers for real, after actually destroying the Alpha Relay, the various races found a way to extend their lifespan to the point that the average human lifespan was longer than the average asari lifespan in ME! and ME2. Or, that the implants Shepard got during Lazarus keep him\\her alive permanently. Repairing the body so that it doesn't die. Of old age anyways, Shepard could still die from a well placed shot, or any other unnatural way a normal person could. Also, DEATH TO THE STARBRAT AND HIS INFINITE CONTRIVANCES AND THE MANY TIMES HE CONTRADICTS  WHAT HE SAID!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (example: The control chat he says you will die, then says that you will live if you do that. I think Shepard should just turn and say, "Wait, what? You just said it would kill me, then you say it won't? Which is it, kid? Also, why do you have more of an effect on me THAN HAVING MY LOVER DIE IN MY ARMS? (If the LI died, if not then this: WHY DO YOU AFFECT ME MORE THAN SEEING CLOSE FRIENDS SACRIFICE THEMSELVES FOR THE GOOD OF OTHERS? WHY WAS I THE ONLY ONE WHO SAW YOU ON EARTH? AND WHY, OH WHY, DIDN'T YOU TAKE THE FORM OF SOMEONE WHO SHOULD ACTUALLY HAVE AN EFFECT ON ME? PLEASE GOD, IF YOU EXIST, JUST KILL THIS LITTLE TURD.)
Et conclusum, in my eyes, all of ME3 was indoctrination. And, ME1 and 2 had me more nervous in individual scenes than the entirity of ME3 had me. Three scenes from the first two in particular. First, in ME1 when I was talking to Sovereign for the first time. That had me so nervous I was shaking a little. THen, in ME2, on the derelict reaper when I first saw Legion and it said, "Shepard Commander" I thought, 'oh crap, ****'s about to get real.' Then, lastly at the end of the Suicide Mission as Miranda was sliding down after the fight wtih the human reaper I was practically chewing through my nails at a rate of two nails a second. When Shepard caught her, I just let a huge sigh of relief. And, the most gripping beginning of the game has to be when the Collectors hit you. that just grabs you by the face and says, "You want to see badass ****? Well, you've come to the right place, sir."

#2486
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Since the um, "hype train" thread was locked, I guess this thread will be my new home to check daily for any DLC info.

Modifié par Neverwinter_Knight77, 24 janvier 2013 - 05:38 .


#2487
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@Ignis Mors, it is a theory I've actually heard before, a user named HellishFiend was obsessed with a theory like that.. I don't think much for it, because that would be a whole new level of false advertising ...

@Neverwinter Knight, Yea, but now there's a group :)

You should also follow the twitter thread in the no spoilers discussion forum :)

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JadeShepard wrote...
 because that would be a whole new level of false advertising ...


A wild HellishFiend appears!

Only to people who dont know how to read between the lines. 

:ph34r:

*vanishes*

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HellishFiend wrote...

JadeShepard wrote...
 because that would be a whole new level of false advertising ...


A wild HellishFiend appears!

Only to people who dont know how to read between the lines. 

:ph34r:

*vanishes*


Already happened...

Casey Hudson: I would never put piece of Reaper or Prothean lore into DLC... I would never do such a thing

Image IPB

From Ashes, Leviathan ... 20 $

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 25 janvier 2013 - 10:41 .


#2490
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So this is interesting...

It does seem like ME3's multiplayer timeline is coming to a close soon. Not soon soon, but soon in comparison to the last 10 months of playing.

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I love how in the operations description it ssys we need to destroy reaper creation mechinisms like dragon's teeth or we will become seriously outnumbered.

How are we supposed to accomplish that when we never even see those dragons teeth things in MP (at least i havent)?

Maybe this is meant to be a auto-failed weekend op (even though there was no allied goal) to set up for a new (and likely last) MP dlc with new objective waves (like destroying dragons teeth) and new Reaper forces added to account for us becoming incrediblly outnumbered.

Just spit-balling here...thoughts?

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JadeShepard wrote...

So this is interesting...

It does seem like ME3's multiplayer timeline is coming to a close soon. Not soon soon, but soon in comparison to the last 10 months of playing.


i wonder when the last sp dlc get's released the mp operations ends..also supports the balance changes going to every other week now 

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I'm guessing the operations will start to auto recycle at some point.

Modifié par Obadiah, 28 janvier 2013 - 01:01 .


#2494
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Call me impatient, but one thing I hate about DLC is how they never announce anything until like a week before the DLC comes out. On the upside (if I remember right), Chris denied the existence of the Omega DLC and Retaliation before they were released, so I don't believe a word of this "we're not touching the ending" stuff.

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dream on

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Well if nothing does happen, then dreaming on isn't such a bad thing, I mean it does have 26 million likes, so it can't be that bad....

That's a really good point about the balance changes going back to every fortnight now.. EagleFan.

@Kenny, na I don't think it's an auto-failed one. Which actually leads me to another point about this operation.

Does anyone think that the the writer of the actual mission dialog doesn't also write the objectives?

We know that one of BioWare's writers does the mission dialog. But wouldn't it be more appropriate for the MP devs to tell people what they actually need to do?

They would have disguised this well in the past by making certain objectives similar to the theme of what's written. But Kenny's right in this case. Simply earning a gold medal with weapons when we're meant to be destroying dragon's teeth doesn't make much sense.

So who else thinks this could be the case? And we're only realizing it now because of how loosely the two fit together?

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I think its just carelessness on the writers part to be honest.

But when i first read the operation description and the goal i had a big wtf moment which led to me specualting on what it might mean. Like I said part of me believes this op to be an auto fail op since there was no allied goal (therefore making it easy to say that the community failed by not killing enough Reapers) and due to the fact of the whole thing with destroying dragon's teeth being presented to us like a goal that is impossible for us to complete (in my head i am hearins "mission's scrubbed, returning to base")

I would like to think that it is setting up for dlc but i think it was either bad writing or poor communication between the dialog writer and goal creator.

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KENNY4753 wrote...

I think its just carelessness on the writers part to be honest.

But when i first read the operation description and the goal i had a big wtf moment which led to me specualting on what it might mean. Like I said part of me believes this op to be an auto fail op since there was no allied goal (therefore making it easy to say that the community failed by not killing enough Reapers) and due to the fact of the whole thing with destroying dragon's teeth being presented to us like a goal that is impossible for us to complete (in my head i am hearins "mission's scrubbed, returning to base")

I would like to think that it is setting up for dlc but i think it was either bad writing or poor communication between the dialog writer and goal creator.


Well it wont be an auto-fail since there was no allied goal. I see what you're saying, but that wont happen.

So you do agree that the write-up and the mission goals are written by two different people?

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They might be although I would like to believe that BW had something up their sleeve instead of just poor communication between writers and MP devs.

Or maybe good old Hackett just flat out lost it lol

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KENNY4753 wrote...

They might be although I would like to believe that BW had something up their sleeve instead of just poor communication between writers and MP devs.

Or maybe good old Hackett just flat out lost it lol


Okay, but you're missing what I'm getting at, if that is the case, it begs the question which is being written first?

Because it sounds as if it's the Hackett write-ups that are being written way in advance. Due to the fact that if it were the other way around, then the writer doing the write-ups would have said something to fit in with getting a gold medal with a weapon a lot better than destroying dragon's teeth.

So maybe the MP devs were stumped themselves and thought, "well what the hell just do a weapon medal...."