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[Jadebaby]

The Twilight God wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Shepard using the destroy function deprives the Geth of their freedom. "mine.. AND EVERYONE'S"

The only reason he couldn't stop the Reapers was because we don't have all the puzzle pieces yet.

Sacrifices are necessary.

Instead of the geth being sacrificed you sacrificed... um, the geth as well as the humans, the asari, the turians, the salarians, the quarians, the krogan, the volus, the elcor, the hanar, the drell, the batarians, the rachni and the vorcha. Not to mention all space faring species that aren't mentioned.

God forbid you get your hands dirty doing what needs to be done. Funny how you now have more blood on them than ever in Refuse. Shepard is the biggest war criminal in the known history of the galaxy. He betrays everyone who put their faith in him in Refuse, wasting the lives of all those people who sacrificed themselves for nothing thanks to Shepard. 

So why even include the option if that's all there is to it?

Everything Shepard spoke of in that speech is exactly what I saw my Shepard fighting for.

Regardless of anyone's opinion on anything. I've seen your thread. I can't say I'm surprised someone that proclaims themself as a god of anything, believes his interpretation is the only right interpretation.
But don't bring it in here because you wont persuade me on how I feel about Refuse.

To make it clear so you understand. I'm not supporting the result of Refuse in anyway. I agree it's nihilstic. Which is why I asked the first question.
I believe in this theory solely because of the irregularities before the fade to black loss.

[Jadebaby]

The Twilight God wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

"No
The Reapers would have left the Citadel alone if they wanted the Crucible used..
The Reapers would let the Crucible dock unmolested regardless of EMS if they wanted it used.
The Reapers wouldn't destroy the Crucible it if you fool around and don't pick one fast enough
The reapers would just drag some unwilling soul up there and toss them in the synthesis beam if they wanted it."


I'm confused. How so?

How so?

Now I'm confused. The statements are self-evident.

Well, for one, you do realise Shepard's pretty much the only person that can make Synthesis happen, right?

[AresKeith]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

"No
The Reapers would have left the Citadel alone if they wanted the Crucible used..
The Reapers would let the Crucible dock unmolested regardless of EMS if they wanted it used.
The Reapers wouldn't destroy the Crucible it if you fool around and don't pick one fast enough
The reapers would just drag some unwilling soul up there and toss them in the synthesis beam if they wanted it."


I'm confused. How so?

How so?

Now I'm confused. The statements are self-evident.

Well, for one, you do realise Shepard's pretty much the only person that can make Synthesis happen, right?

and the Catalyst even states that it wants Synthesis and the Crucible can make that happen

[MacNasty]

As to why they put the refuse ending in... Likely because so many people wanted to be able to. I admit, your theory is plausible, and if it happens I would not be sad, but I am not quite certain yet.

[ShepnTali]

If nothing else, it's a lovely 'what could have been' idea. But we should be told up front the end will be built on through future DLC. So, I can understand peoples gripes of an 'incomplete' game without knowing. I do like the notion of it coming together in pieces though.

[sporeian]

So, the theory is that the DLC is gonna make everything better...

[Yakko77]

sporeian wrote...

So, the theory is that the DLC is gonna make everything better...

Hope. A fool's hope most likely but hope that BW sees reason and makes things as they should be.

[ShepnTali]

It all hinges on Bioware's word trickery or lack of.


The betting man says this theory goes nowhere. But I still love it.

[sporeian]

Yakko77 wrote...

sporeian wrote...

So, the theory is that the DLC is gonna make everything better...

Hope. A fool's hope most likely but hope that BW sees reason and makes things as they should be.

Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of our greatest strength, and our greatest weakness.

[Jadebaby]

sporeian wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

sporeian wrote...

So, the theory is that the DLC is gonna make everything better...

Hope. A fool's hope most likely but hope that BW sees reason and makes things as they should be.

Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of our greatest strength, and our greatest weakness.

But that which makes us Human. Another reason I wouldn't pick Synthesis. Can you imagine how obnoxious and snooty everyone would be?

[Jadebaby]

ShepnTali wrote...

If nothing else, it's a lovely 'what could have been' idea. But we should be told up front the end will be built on through future DLC. So, I can understand peoples gripes of an 'incomplete' game without knowing. I do like the notion of it coming together in pieces though.

WE WERE....

"One more story..."

"Don't forget to buy our Downloadable content..."

Hell, pre-EC, the last words for the entire Mass Effect trilogy was "downloadable content"

If the combination of these two things don't set of alarm bells, I don't know what will.

[ld1449]

sporeian wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

sporeian wrote...

So, the theory is that the DLC is gonna make everything better...

Hope. A fool's hope most likely but hope that BW sees reason and makes things as they should be.

Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of our greatest strength, and our greatest weakness.

Its sad that mac walters was actually inspired by that movie while making ME3.<_<

[ShepnTali]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

If nothing else, it's a lovely 'what could have been' idea. But we should be told up front the end will be built on through future DLC. So, I can understand peoples gripes of an 'incomplete' game without knowing. I do like the notion of it coming together in pieces though.

WE WERE....

"One more story..."

"Don't forget to buy our Downloadable content..."

Hell, pre-EC, the last words for the entire Mass Effect trilogy was "downloadable content"

If the combination of these two things don't set of alarm bells, I don't know what will.

No, I understand this, but I mean in pre-purchase terms. 

[Jadebaby]

ld1449 wrote...

sporeian wrote...

Yakko77 wrote...

sporeian wrote...

So, the theory is that the DLC is gonna make everything better...

Hope. A fool's hope most likely but hope that BW sees reason and makes things as they should be.

Hope. It is the quintessential human delusion, simultaneously the source of our greatest strength, and our greatest weakness.

Its sad that mac walters was actually inspired by that movie while making ME3.<_<

Really? I thought it was inspired by Deus Ex Machina. The game, I mean.

[Jadebaby]

ShepnTali wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

If nothing else, it's a lovely 'what could have been' idea. But we should be told up front the end will be built on through future DLC. So, I can understand peoples gripes of an 'incomplete' game without knowing. I do like the notion of it coming together in pieces though.

WE WERE....

"One more story..."

"Don't forget to buy our Downloadable content..."

Hell, pre-EC, the last words for the entire Mass Effect trilogy was "downloadable content"

If the combination of these two things don't set of alarm bells, I don't know what will.

No, I understand this, but I mean in pre-purchase terms. 

Oh...

So if the PT is too far-fetched and the IT is apparently implausible.

What of all the vagueness at the end?

[ShepnTali]

I'm saying that if the ending wasn't the 'complete' ending at purchase, it's reasonable for people to be upset about it. It wouldn't bother me personally, as I love the bits and pieces approach in this case.

[Jadebaby]

ShepnTali wrote...

I'm saying that if the ending wasn't the 'complete' ending at purchase, it's reasonable for people to be upset about it. It wouldn't bother me personally, as I love the bits and pieces approach in this case.

Azura's Wrath, Broken Steel.. I'm sure many other games have done it.

But yes, for a AAA game to have it. It will cause a ****storm. But by then it wont be anything BioWare are unfamiliar with. Maybe all the negativity surrounding the original endings is training for when the real ****storm hits

But still, didn't answer my question.

I personally can't see the crypticness of "one more story" meaning anything other than "ME3 ending is not over yet"

[ShepnTali]

I'm not arguing against the facts you've noted in OP. I see it too. At the same time, Bioware's statements are pretty sharp on endings altering or changing. But, that's questionable too. I'm still a PT member. Just prepared for the worst.

[Oransel]

I'd go with PT 100% if we would win the war without using the Crucible at all (but not conventionally)

Modifié par Oransel, 21 août 2012 - 09:22 .

[Jadebaby]

Oransel wrote...

I'd go with PT 100% if we would win the war without using the Crucible at all (but not conventionally)

Optimally this would be my preferred ending too.

But I can see removing the central plot point of ME3 as problematic.

Although if they just dismiss the whole thing as a Reaper trap or indoctrination device.

Then it could work. Hell it could do more then just work, it'd be awesome.

[Jadebaby]

ShepnTali wrote...

I'm not arguing against the facts you've noted in OP. I see it too. At the same time, Bioware's statements are pretty sharp on endings altering or changing. But, that's questionable too. I'm still a PT member. Just prepared for the worst.

Yea as am I.

But they were pretty firm their wouldn't be any new endings before EC and well.. I shouldn't repeat this really, as I'm sure it's just rehashed information to you.

The speculation I'm talking about in regards to "one more story" isn't strictly pertaining to PT or even IT. But just anything. Other than a successful refuse ending or IT.

What else is their to alter the variables on the endings?

[ShepnTali]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

I'm not arguing against the facts you've noted in OP. I see it too. At the same time, Bioware's statements are pretty sharp on endings altering or changing. But, that's questionable too. I'm still a PT member. Just prepared for the worst.

Yea as am I.

But they were pretty firm their wouldn't be any new endings before EC and well.. I shouldn't repeat this really, as I'm sure it's just rehashed information to you.

The speculation I'm talking about in regards to "one more story" isn't strictly pertaining to PT or even IT. But just anything. Other than a successful refuse ending or IT.

What else is their to alter the variables on the endings?

'One more story' is an odd phrase here. It makes no logical sense hand in hand with Shepard's story being over. Could it be...  Shepard's story is over. 'That' Shepard story is over. We got another one for ya! ME4?

Or is it simply DLC... Leviathen, Omega,etc.. but how does this jive with 'one more story'? It seems to be additions to the current story. More missions. Multiple missions. That's one more story? 

Or is 'One more story' just a cute throwaway line? I have no idea.

[Jadebaby]

ShepnTali wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

ShepnTali wrote...

I'm not arguing against the facts you've noted in OP. I see it too. At the same time, Bioware's statements are pretty sharp on endings altering or changing. But, that's questionable too. I'm still a PT member. Just prepared for the worst.

Yea as am I.

But they were pretty firm their wouldn't be any new endings before EC and well.. I shouldn't repeat this really, as I'm sure it's just rehashed information to you.

The speculation I'm talking about in regards to "one more story" isn't strictly pertaining to PT or even IT. But just anything. Other than a successful refuse ending or IT.

What else is their to alter the variables on the endings?

'One more story' is an odd phrase here. It makes no logical sense hand in hand with Shepard's story being over. Could it be...  Shepard's story is over. 'That' Shepard story is over. We got another one for ya! ME4?

Or is it simply DLC... Leviathen, Omega,etc.. but how does this jive with 'one more story'? It seems to be additions to the current story. More missions. Multiple missions. That's one more story? 

Or is 'One more story' just a cute throwaway line? I have no idea.

I highly doubt it's a throw-away line and I don't think it could be about ME4 or anything past Shepard's story, otherwise it wouldn't occur during Shepard's story.

If the whole ME series was a story told by this grandfather, then maybe it could suggest he's going to go back and tell the story again differently. Although if we think about it like that, he could be talking about "one more story" going from Paragon Shep to Renegade Shep... Oh.my.god. That would be like the worst ever!

[ShepnTali]

If I had to bet, it just refers to regular ol' DLC, which goes against a literal one more story. Underwhelming, but we have the advantage of hindsight thinking.

[Saans Shadow]

The PT would be a pleasant surprise in my book. While I am a supporter of Synthesis myself as indicated by my signature, I would enjoy seeing this happen. I think it is very well thought out like the IT is, which I was a supporter of before the EC and for all we know if PT is true it could incorporate IT into this puzzle which would be really cool in my opinion. I have no problem buying more DLC regardless of whether it changed the ending or not because I enjoy learning more about the ME universe, adding to the endings would just be a bonus at this point because I'm satisfied with Synthesis. I'm an avid player of Fallout 3 and loved that bethesda added broken steel and extended the ending. I wish they would have done that with New Vegas though. Again well thought out Jade and only time will tell :-)