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[BD Manchild]

This is one of the more interesting theories out there, especially in light of the EC. While it would certainly be a neat surprise, the very thought of having to pay hand over fist for an ending that doesn't utterly betray the themes of the franchise galls me to no end. Plus, rather like the IT, I can't help but feel that it's giving Bioware too much credit. I thought Bioware had made it abundantly clear that they have no intention of fundamentally changing the ending at its rotten, maggot-filled core, so at this point any theories floating around are wishful thiniking to me.

Modifié par BD Manchild, 21 août 2012 - 12:26 .

[Oransel]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Oransel wrote...

I'd go with PT 100% if we would win the war without using the Crucible at all (but not conventionally)

Optimally this would be my preferred ending too.

But I can see removing the central plot point of ME3 as problematic.

Although if they just dismiss the whole thing as a Reaper trap or indoctrination device.

Then it could work. Hell it could do more then just work, it'd be awesome.

Yeah! Actually, what do you think of my similiar thread (winning without Crucible) http://social.biowar...ndex/12920208/1 and more extensively here http://social.biowar.../index/13699569

Modifié par Oransel, 21 août 2012 - 01:53 .

[KENNY4753]

2 things that are on my mind:

1- This pertains a little to IT but when you are speaking with the catalyst about destroy he tells you all synthetics will be killed, and even you are partly synthetic making destroy your death sentence. So even if you have 7000 EMS Shepard should be dead if you choose destroy by the star child's logic. Whenever I think about the ending and how it makes no sense this pushes me toward refusal since Control is TIM and we see how wanting control ended up for him (indoctrinated until death) while Synthesis is the worst of all, It's worse than the genophage in my book. So because you can choose destroy and not die I do not trust it. I would rather die an honest threat instead of being conned into it.

2- As you build your EMS at the war terminal it says "chances of sucess are poor", "chances of success are low but measurable", "chances of success are even", etc. So does this mean that the chances of having the crucible (a thing we have no idea how it works or if it will work) succeeding are even or can it mean that our forces have an even chance of succeeding. Just spit balling here but maybe through future dlc it will say "chances of success are good" or "chances of success are high" thus causing us not to really need the catalyst through all the "War Assets" we acquired (leviathan, something on omega, whatever dlc is next) be able to refuse and still win.

[Conniving_Eagle]

I'm a 'conventionalist' but I can bring myself to like the endings if they don't involve helping Glow Boy. That would be my Extended Cut for the game. "Oh well, it'll have to do."

Critically, the whole plot of ME3 needs a rewrite. No superweapons, no Cerberus galactic empire and so on.

A part of me hopes that Bioware doesn't do the PT, because I know ME3 will never be what it could have been unless they redo the whole game. If they go through with this, that same part of me will be forced to like the game.

Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 21 août 2012 - 03:31 .

[The Twilight God]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

So why even include the option if that's all there is to it?

More fuel for the IT fires.

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Everything Shepard spoke of in that speech is exactly what I saw my Shepard fighting for.

And yet everything in that speech is contradicted by the inaction that is Refuse.

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Regardless of anyone's opinion on anything. I've seen your thread. I can't say I'm surprised someone that proclaims themself as a god of anything, believes his interpretation is the only right interpretation.
But don't bring it in here because you wont persuade me on how I feel about Refuse.

My interpretation doesn't have to be the only valid interpreatation. I just need to be able to demonstrate that yours isn't valid. You don't have to be persuaded. Although I doubt ayone can view the evidence and not agree with it, you are entitled to willfully ignore and handwave away whatever you find displeasing.

This is my rebuttal to the idea that any sane person in Shepard's position would choose Refus:

http://social.biowar...9372/1#13419499

[The Twilight God]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Well, for one, you do realise Shepard's pretty much the only person that can make Synthesis happen, right?

And why is that?

[The Twilight God]

sporeian wrote...

So, the theory is that the DLC is gonna make everything better...

Because admitting they intentionally released an incomplete game to nickle and dime customers through DLC is really going to turn out well for them.

[Jadebaby]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I'm a 'conventionalist' but I can bring myself to like the endings if they don't involve helping Glow Boy. That would be my Extended Cut for the game. "Oh well, it'll have to do."

Critically, the whole plot of ME3 needs a rewrite. No superweapons, no Cerberus galactic empire and so on.

A part of me hopes that Bioware doesn't do the PT, because I know ME3 will never be what it could have been unless they redo the whole game. If they go through with this, that same part of me will be forced to like the game.

Your thinking is so sporadic Eagle....

You know it's impossible for them to take anything out of ME3, let alone redo the whole game?

That's what they mean when they talk about compromising artistic integrity. However, it doesn't compromise artistic integrity to ADD to these things.

Which is what IT and PT aim to do.

So if BioWare did care about their fans and reputation to any extent, there will be something else pertaining to the endings on the way.

I really can't see them sweeping this under the rug and hoping to forget about it. If nothing else, their dlc sales might change their minds.

[Conniving_Eagle]

That's why I keep it to myself >.<

[Jadebaby]

The Twilight God wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Well, for one, you do realise Shepard's pretty much the only person that can make Synthesis happen, right?

And why is that?

Duh, because Shepard is a cyborg.. And it's that DNA that is necessary for Synthesis....

The Twilight God wrote...

sporeian wrote...

So, the theory is that the DLC is gonna make everything better...

Because admitting they intentionally released an incomplete game to nickle and dime customers through DLC is really going to turn out well for them.

No, they did release a game with endings. Just because we may get a successful refuse option doesn't invalidate the CSD endings. Mass Effect is about roleplaying and replayability, so bottom line, you can't complain there.
Plus it wouldn't work with the Multiplayer Timeline they have established.

In addition, I find it amusing your persistance in this thread is aimed at invalidating the theory, when your theory itself is more similiar than you'd like to admit.

In case you're not following, if that's how you feel about the "real" ending being dlc, then what of IT?

@ Eagle, honesty is the best policy

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 22 août 2012 - 01:11 .

[Jadebaby]

Saans Shadow wrote...

The PT would be a pleasant surprise in my book. While I am a supporter of Synthesis myself as indicated by my signature, I would enjoy seeing this happen. I think it is very well thought out like the IT is, which I was a supporter of before the EC and for all we know if PT is true it could incorporate IT into this puzzle which would be really cool in my opinion. I have no problem buying more DLC regardless of whether it changed the ending or not because I enjoy learning more about the ME universe, adding to the endings would just be a bonus at this point because I'm satisfied with Synthesis. I'm an avid player of Fallout 3 and loved that bethesda added broken steel and extended the ending. I wish they would have done that with New Vegas though. Again well thought out Jade and only time will tell :-)

Thank you Shadow, it's nice to receive some positive feedback from someone who enjoys the endings. Most people who do are just out to bash any attempts at catharsis through fanfiction.

I have a curious thought, in Fallout New Vegas, did you ever side with Caesar?

Also, I have thought about PT and IT coinciding, but i'll get some more info before speculating on that too much.

[AresKeith]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I'm a 'conventionalist' but I can bring myself to like the endings if they don't involve helping Glow Boy. That would be my Extended Cut for the game. "Oh well, it'll have to do."

Critically, the whole plot of ME3 needs a rewrite. No superweapons, no Cerberus galactic empire and so on.

A part of me hopes that Bioware doesn't do the PT, because I know ME3 will never be what it could have been unless they redo the whole game. If they go through with this, that same part of me will be forced to like the game.

Your thinking is so sporadic Eagle....

You know it's impossible for them to take anything out of ME3, let alone redo the whole game?

That's what they mean when they talk about compromising artistic integrity. However, it doesn't compromise artistic integrity to ADD to these things.

Which is what IT and PT aim to do.

So if BioWare did care about their fans and reputation to any extent, there will be something else pertaining to the endings on the way.

I really can't see them sweeping this under the rug and hoping to forget about it. If nothing else, their dlc sales might change their minds.

I'm the same way like Eagle, I also feel that ME3 needs to be remade because its a shadow of what it should be. But since I know Bioware won't do that, I am willing to see them add on to Refuse and I did give some good ways to do it in this thread lol

[Jadebaby]

AresKeith wrote...

I'm the same way like Eagle, I also feel that ME3 needs to be remade because its a shadow of what it should be. But since I know Bioware won't do that, I am willing to see them add on to Refuse and I did give some good ways to do it in this thread lol

Yea I do agree also, but it's not that BioWare WONT do it.. It's that they physically "can't" do it. It goes beyond wishful thinking to pray for that, so I just don't bother. That's where my hate for EA substitutes any wants of a rewrite.

[Conniving_Eagle]

You know what I would love? A redo of the Mass Effect trilogy as a whole game somewhere down the line. Obviously for the next generation (if they did it on this one it would be like 10 discs).

[AresKeith]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

You know what I would love? A redo of the Mass Effect trilogy as a whole game somewhere down the line. Obviously for the next generation (if they did it on this one it would be like 10 discs).

the Mass Effect trilogy, full on RPG

[Jadebaby]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

You know what I would love? A redo of the Mass Effect trilogy as a whole game somewhere down the line. Obviously for the next generation (if they did it on this one it would be like 10 discs).

HELL YES! Think about it.

Each game say between 20-50 hours.. All up that's not even as much gameplay as Skyrim.

LOVES this idea!

Then we can have a trilogy that makes sense! Although if I started playing through the ME1 section and it was riddled with Organic vs. Synthetic themes. I would probably stop playing....

[AresKeith]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

You know what I would love? A redo of the Mass Effect trilogy as a whole game somewhere down the line. Obviously for the next generation (if they did it on this one it would be like 10 discs).

HELL YES! Think about it.

Each game say between 20-50 hours.. All up that's not even as much gameplay as Skyrim.

LOVES this idea!

Then we can have a trilogy that makes sense! Although if I started playing through the ME1 section and it was riddled with Organic vs. Synthetic themes. I would probably stop playing....

maybe with a better MP too

[The Twilight God]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Duh, because Shepard is a cyborg.. And it's that DNA that is necessary for Synthesis....

And exactly why can't they just make their own cyborg? They have plenty of their own.

Jade8aby88 wrote...

No, they did release a game with endings.

Who said anything about the game not having endings?

Jade8aby88 wrote...

In case you're not following, if that's how you feel about the "real" ending being dlc, then what of IT?

IT is the game as is. There is no need for a new ending. I'm not sure what you're trying to convey here.



Edit: What I meant by releasing an incomplete game was that the major events of the story are intentionally cut to be sold as DLC. For instance, imagine if Sanctuary and Cerberus HQ were DLC and in the game Vendetta tells you what the Catalyst is before Kai Leng steals it. Instead of TIM telling the reapers they simply took the Citadel for their own purposes (to make reapers within the closed arms) by sheer coincidence. Or say if the Quarian civilian fleet always died, but then there was DLC for stopping geth fighters and saving Koris. Or if you needed this DLC in order to achive quarian-geth peace. Or what Sur'kesh was DLC and in the main game all you could do was lie to Wrex/Wreav.

You sound to me like you are saying they are going to be adding very crucial story elements as DLC. I think that would burn more bridges. 

Modifié par The Twilight God, 22 août 2012 - 03:54 .

[Grogimus]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

You know what I would love? A redo of the Mass Effect trilogy as a whole game somewhere down the line. Obviously for the next generation (if they did it on this one it would be like 10 discs).

HELL YES! Think about it.

Each game say between 20-50 hours.. All up that's not even as much gameplay as Skyrim.

LOVES this idea!

Then we can have a trilogy that makes sense! Although if I started playing through the ME1 section and it was riddled with Organic vs. Synthetic themes. I would probably stop playing....

The likelihood of a redo of the entire Mass Effect trilogy is probably less then  the likelihood of me being struck by lightning. And for good reason.  The trilogy as is is incredible.  I'm sorry you don't see it that way, but all the wishing in the world isn't gonna change it.  You're deluding yourself.  Such angst over a video game....A GAME?!  Grow up.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Grogimus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

You know what I would love? A redo of the Mass Effect trilogy as a whole game somewhere down the line. Obviously for the next generation (if they did it on this one it would be like 10 discs).

HELL YES! Think about it.

Each game say between 20-50 hours.. All up that's not even as much gameplay as Skyrim.

LOVES this idea!

Then we can have a trilogy that makes sense! Although if I started playing through the ME1 section and it was riddled with Organic vs. Synthetic themes. I would probably stop playing....

The likelihood of a redo of the entire Mass Effect trilogy is probably less then  the likelihood of me being struck by lightning. And for good reason.  The trilogy as is is incredible.  I'm sorry you don't see it that way, but all the wishing in the world isn't gonna change it.  You're deluding yourself.  Such angst over a video game....A GAME?!  Grow up.

Thanks for stopping by to **** on everyone's fun.

[KENNY4753]

Grogimus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

You know what I would love? A redo of the Mass Effect trilogy as a whole game somewhere down the line. Obviously for the next generation (if they did it on this one it would be like 10 discs).

HELL YES! Think about it.

Each game say between 20-50 hours.. All up that's not even as much gameplay as Skyrim.

LOVES this idea!

Then we can have a trilogy that makes sense! Although if I started playing through the ME1 section and it was riddled with Organic vs. Synthetic themes. I would probably stop playing....

The likelihood of a redo of the entire Mass Effect trilogy is probably less then  the likelihood of me being struck by lightning. And for good reason.  The trilogy as is is incredible.  I'm sorry you don't see it that way, but all the wishing in the world isn't gonna change it.  You're deluding yourself.  Such angst over a video game....A GAME?!  Grow up.

Odds of being struck in your lifetime (Est. 80 years)1/10,000

We have a shot to get a complete overhaul

Modifié par KENNY4753, 22 août 2012 - 03:58 .

[Casino Royale]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

You know what I would love? A redo of the Mass Effect trilogy as a whole game somewhere down the line. Obviously for the next generation (if they did it on this one it would be like 10 discs).

HELL YES! Think about it.

Each game say between 20-50 hours.. All up that's not even as much gameplay as Skyrim.

LOVES this idea!

Then we can have a trilogy that makes sense! Although if I started playing through the ME1 section and it was riddled with Organic vs. Synthetic themes. I would probably stop playing....

With Blackjack, and hookers!  (Please don't take that the wrong way, I'm just making a dumb joke.) 

[AresKeith]

Grogimus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

You know what I would love? A redo of the Mass Effect trilogy as a whole game somewhere down the line. Obviously for the next generation (if they did it on this one it would be like 10 discs).

HELL YES! Think about it.

Each game say between 20-50 hours.. All up that's not even as much gameplay as Skyrim.

LOVES this idea!

Then we can have a trilogy that makes sense! Although if I started playing through the ME1 section and it was riddled with Organic vs. Synthetic themes. I would probably stop playing....

The likelihood of a redo of the entire Mass Effect trilogy is probably less then  the likelihood of me being struck by lightning. And for good reason.  The trilogy as is is incredible.  I'm sorry you don't see it that way, but all the wishing in the world isn't gonna change it.  You're deluding yourself.  Such angst over a video game....A GAME?!  Grow up.

buzzkill alert

[Grogimus]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Grogimus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

You know what I would love? A redo of the Mass Effect trilogy as a whole game somewhere down the line. Obviously for the next generation (if they did it on this one it would be like 10 discs).

HELL YES! Think about it.

Each game say between 20-50 hours.. All up that's not even as much gameplay as Skyrim.

LOVES this idea!

Then we can have a trilogy that makes sense! Although if I started playing through the ME1 section and it was riddled with Organic vs. Synthetic themes. I would probably stop playing....

The likelihood of a redo of the entire Mass Effect trilogy is probably less then  the likelihood of me being struck by lightning. And for good reason.  The trilogy as is is incredible.  I'm sorry you don't see it that way, but all the wishing in the world isn't gonna change it.  You're deluding yourself.  Such angst over a video game....A GAME?!  Grow up.

Thanks for stopping by to **** on everyone's fun.

Reality sucks.  Deal with it.

[Grogimus]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Grogimus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

You know what I would love? A redo of the Mass Effect trilogy as a whole game somewhere down the line. Obviously for the next generation (if they did it on this one it would be like 10 discs).

HELL YES! Think about it.

Each game say between 20-50 hours.. All up that's not even as much gameplay as Skyrim.

LOVES this idea!

Then we can have a trilogy that makes sense! Although if I started playing through the ME1 section and it was riddled with Organic vs. Synthetic themes. I would probably stop playing....

The likelihood of a redo of the entire Mass Effect trilogy is probably less then  the likelihood of me being struck by lightning. And for good reason.  The trilogy as is is incredible.  I'm sorry you don't see it that way, but all the wishing in the world isn't gonna change it.  You're deluding yourself.  Such angst over a video game....A GAME?!  Grow up.

Odds of being struck in your lifetime (Est. 80 years)1/10,000

We have a shot to get a complete overhaul

Wrong...the chance of being struck by lightning is about 280,000 to 1. Which is less than the chance of winning the lottery, but much greater than the chance that  the end of Mass Effect 3 will be changed.