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[Jadebaby]

wright1978 wrote...

flanny wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

no that's deluded.

There's not going to be a high ems conventional clean victory as it would both completely undermine the existing endings as well the whole narrative of ME3(build the crucible because conventional victory is impossible). Endings are passable now even if the crucible/catalyst plot is weak.

how much more undermined can it get?

Not sure what you mean? The current endings fit ME3's narrative if they are not what i wanted the game to be in an ideal world.
Conventional fight = defeat
Crucible as weapon: Compromised with evil Catalyst Reaper
Crucible as Control: Compromised with evil Cayalyst Reaper
Crucible as genetic rewriter: Compromised with evil Catalyst Reaper

Fixed.

[wright1978]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

no that's deluded.

There's not going to be a high ems conventional clean victory as it would both completely undermine the existing endings as well the whole narrative of ME3(build the crucible because conventional victory is impossible). Endings are passable now even if the crucible/catalyst plot is weak.

It wouldn't be a "conventional" victory because it's wouldn't be specifically us vs them. We'd be getting valuable insight/aid from Leviathan.. Or other dlc related.

The game's narrative is centered round building the crucible. I may wish that wasn't the case but it is. But let's suppose they do ignore the narrative and enter a new ending via DLC allowing fighting victory. That ending would have to be balanced not to undermine other endings. Ie there would have to be commensurate sacrifice to Geth/EDI, Relays etc in this ending.

[wright1978]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conventional fight = defeat
Crucible as weapon: Compromised with evil Catalyst Reaper
Crucible as Control: Compromised with evil Cayalyst Reaper
Crucible as genetic rewriter: Compromised with evil Catalyst Reaper

I agree the catalyst is an evil insane AI. EC clarifies that crucible isn't its construct. It tried to erase the concept from history but organics resilience in passing the plans for device along surprised it. Crucible was designed as a weapon and you can use it as a weapon and destroy reapers but there is a price. It also offers alternative uses for the crucible which you can ignore if you wish and stick to the original purpose of the crucible.

[cyborg2501]

I think this is actually a very plausible theory - I like the title of it because it's exactly what I was thinking as I was playing through the XC. It felt like the original endings were a puzzle, and the XC filled in some pieces to that puzzle. Just enough to keep us asking questions and to satisfy us for the time being. The refuse ending definitely has potential to be expanded and I think Biowares DLC strategy will become apparent with Leviathan. There's so much left to learn about the Reapers and their origins that could affect the ending. There's probably also a lot more to be learned about indoctrination as well, and Leviathan could shed some light on that.

I think the Reapers, being locked into their purpose for millions of years (like a shackled AI) are looking for a way out. All three RGB endings offer this in some form - Destroy is like committing suicide, Control gives them a new purpose controlled by Shepard, and Synthesis is like being unshackled (in a good way).

These endings don't need to change at all, preserving Bioware's promise not to change the endings or offer post-ending DLC. I don't understand why people are getting so self righteous about adding potential new forms of the ending that they may have to pay for to experience? I think it's awesome that new DLC can be so integrated into the story that it can be woven into the ending believably. It's not that we were sold an incomplete story. We were just sold one version of the story. I'd pay for more pieces of the puzzle that might affect how I interpret the story.

Thoughts?

[Romaka]

wright1978 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conventional fight = defeat
Crucible as weapon: Compromised with evil Catalyst Reaper
Crucible as Control: Compromised with evil Cayalyst Reaper
Crucible as genetic rewriter: Compromised with evil Catalyst Reaper

I agree the catalyst is an evil insane AI. EC clarifies that crucible isn't its construct. It tried to erase the concept from history but organics resilience in passing the plans for device along surprised it. Crucible was designed as a weapon and you can use it as a weapon and destroy reapers but there is a price. It also offers alternative uses for the crucible which you can ignore if you wish and stick to the original purpose of the crucible.

That might make sense if the Crucible was a weapon.  As it is it is just a gigantic battery.

[Jadebaby]

cyborg2501 wrote...

I think this is actually a very plausible theory - I like the title of it because it's exactly what I was thinking as I was playing through the XC. It felt like the original endings were a puzzle, and the XC filled in some pieces to that puzzle. Just enough to keep us asking questions and to satisfy us for the time being. The refuse ending definitely has potential to be expanded and I think Biowares DLC strategy will become apparent with Leviathan. There's so much left to learn about the Reapers and their origins that could affect the ending. There's probably also a lot more to be learned about indoctrination as well, and Leviathan could shed some light on that.

I think the Reapers, being locked into their purpose for millions of years (like a shackled AI) are looking for a way out. All three RGB endings offer this in some form - Destroy is like committing suicide, Control gives them a new purpose controlled by Shepard, and Synthesis is like being unshackled (in a good way).

These endings don't need to change at all, preserving Bioware's promise not to change the endings or offer post-ending DLC. I don't understand why people are getting so self righteous about adding potential new forms of the ending that they may have to pay for to experience? I think it's awesome that new DLC can be so integrated into the story that it can be woven into the ending believably. It's not that we were sold an incomplete story. We were just sold one version of the story. I'd pay for more pieces of the puzzle that might affect how I interpret the story.

Thoughts?

Totally agreed!

I was hoping there'd be a "why the puzzle theory?" so then I could go "that's the puzzle" lol...

[wright1978]

Romaka wrote...

wright1978 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conventional fight = defeat
Crucible as weapon: Compromised with evil Catalyst Reaper
Crucible as Control: Compromised with evil Cayalyst Reaper
Crucible as genetic rewriter: Compromised with evil Catalyst Reaper

I agree the catalyst is an evil insane AI. EC clarifies that crucible isn't its construct. It tried to erase the concept from history but organics resilience in passing the plans for device along surprised it. Crucible was designed as a weapon and you can use it as a weapon and destroy reapers but there is a price. It also offers alternative uses for the crucible which you can ignore if you wish and stick to the original purpose of the crucible.

That might make sense if the Crucible was a weapon.  As it is it is just a gigantic battery.

It's no different to slotting a magazine cartridge into a gun. You need to do this and in order for when you press the trigger there to be a big bang.

[Romaka]

wright1978 wrote...

It's no different to slotting a magazine cartridge into a gun. You need to do this and in order for when you press the trigger there to be a big bang.

Yes but the magazine is not the weapon.  It is the ammo.

But I am just being a smart ass atm so don't read into it too much.

[TheMerchantMan]

I had this theory about the MP "operations" too. Why would they bother including all these operations to push back the Reapers unless there is something behind it.

Not that I think MP will affect the campaign, more that it is a clue to the idea that together with the SP dlc, victory will eventually be possible where it was not before. Think about it. If the outcome of the war is completely independent, why do we keep winning?

[TheMerchantMan]

A commensurate sacrifice? I'm guessing Earth. Perhaps even all the major planets, Otherwise the total opposite, the protection of only Earth and the other homeworlds.

Perhaps, and I'm going for pie in the sky now it will depend on your choices, the Krogan? If you betray Wrex they're gone as well as the Turians, if Wreave is around the Turians survive but not the Krogan if you don't the Salarians fall.
The Geth with Heretics or allied with Quarians survive, both for best. Quarians without Geth Heretics survive, with are destroyed.

The survival of the Asari and Earth would be based on all the factors combined, Rachni help, Geth/Quarians help. Even MP operations could help a little.

[Jadebaby]

bump because I luv attention. Actually no, plz ignore this post. You there! I said ignore it!

[Applepie_Svk]

[SpamBot2000]

Looks like you've reached the bargaining stage Jade. The thing is, accepting blackmail DLC schemes is only gonna encourage such tactics.

As for myself, I'd still have to see Spaceboy gone... or made into a Very Bad Dream. In that case, I'd be willing to see what this DLC is all about.

[Jadebaby]

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Looks like you've reached the bargaining stage Jade. The thing is, accepting blackmail DLC schemes is only gonna encourage such tactics.

As for myself, I'd still have to see Spaceboy gone... or made into a Very Bad Dream. In that case, I'd be willing to see what this DLC is all about.

Honestly, I know it's encouraging this kind of tactic, but you're right, it's at that stage where I just want ME3 to get the ending it really deserves. Only then can I go back to looking at BioWare's name without a bad taste in my mouth.

[SpamBot2000]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

SpamBot2000 wrote...

Looks like you've reached the bargaining stage Jade. The thing is, accepting blackmail DLC schemes is only gonna encourage such tactics.

As for myself, I'd still have to see Spaceboy gone... or made into a Very Bad Dream. In that case, I'd be willing to see what this DLC is all about.

Honestly, I know it's encouraging this kind of tactic, but you're right, it's at that stage where I just want ME3 to get the ending it really deserves. Only then can I go back to looking at BioWare's name without a bad taste in my mouth.

I know the feeling.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

This theory is born out of Shepard's marvelous speech about freedom and the right to choose our own fate. And also the Catalyst's puberty taking it's toll when it says "so be it."

The reason being because after such an awesome speech and the catalyst's line, the game just pauses for a bit focusing on Shepard, like something is meant to happen, right around the point the Catalyst says "the cycle continues" with the camera zoomed back. Then the game just kind of drops it on your head that you lost (via Liara's time capsule).

Wouldn't it be cool, if these base 3 endings were because we didn't have all the pieces to the puzzle yet. And so dlc, Omega, Leviathan, other?... adds to it and helps shape better endings.

When I say better, I mean "more win."

We already have the fourth one, which could be acting as a vent for the next one.

So for example..

-|D|-|C|-|S|-
------|---/---
--|Refuse|--
-----/--------
---|S|-|F|---

Success and Fail.
We've already received the fail one being Liara's time capsule. This could be subjugated to just a really low EMS refuse ending cut off line. Then every ending above this line is formed into a single ending (still based on EMS : Success rate) that varies in many different choices from across the three games.

Because Mass Effect is meant to be all about roleplaying and choices. The base endings we got are still endings. What I mean is, because people play their Shepard's differently, they might want a playthrough to compromise with the Catalyst and become a Reaper, Change the galaxy, or if they don't care about the Geth, get a decent ending in itself. Which would be the genius thing as well, because it allows them to see what we'd pick with our canon playthrough, had we only had those options. Then also because it has less to do with the lore and people that didn't play ME1&2 before 3 aren't missing out on things. For instance, our choices from previous games.

This theory also disproves people that complain they sold a game without an ending. Because we did receive "some" of them.

Basically, if this dlc theory holds weight, we could still get astounding endings where we can 'win'.


This theory also assumes they left the Leviathan leaks in the EC on purpose to give us something to hold onto, give us faith something is coming. Because with all the media/consumer outrage that's been going on, to do this by accident would be very slack and lazy, hence a testament to why fans are upset in the first place.

Personal: If this theory is true, and it affects the refuse ending, then it could still be an astounding ending. If not, then I think it's safe to say these endings are permanent. And only then can I have closure.

This idea also dabbles into "speculation" quotes from BioWare, why seek speculation if there's nothing to speculate for? And also the whole thing about closure, and not being able to receive any until we know (for certain) how to view these endings.

ALSO, if there's anything that has been discussed in IT that can relate to this, It would be very welcomed =)

What do you think?

Let the ****storm begin.

I admire the way you think, Jade8abby88, and I share your optimism and hope. If it turns out to be false, well, I guess DLC won't be very successful for Mass Effect 3.

[Conniving_Eagle]

D24O wrote...

I'd rather they made Dinosaur DLC.

Gooby pls

[Jadebaby]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

D24O wrote...

I'd rather they made Dinosaur DLC.

Gooby pls

lol I saw the funniest Gooby .gif today.

btw. Is Conniving Eagle a second account or something?

[Conniving_Eagle]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

D24O wrote...

I'd rather they made Dinosaur DLC.

Gooby pls

lol I saw the funniest Gooby .gif today.

btw. Is Conniving Eagle a second account or something?

My initial account was Conniving Eagle, but I don't think I ever posted on it. I had to go through a whole ordeal of contacting EA's ****ty customer service to get an e-mail crisis sorted out: properly link certain e-mails to my Origin, Windows LIVE, gamertag, create a bunch of new e-mails, etc, it was pretty annoying. Why do you ask? 

[RenegonSQ]

The endings are done. They've defended them too much to change them, also they pleased a s---load of people with the EC. I don't know when you guys will get it.

[Conniving_Eagle]

RenegonSQ wrote...

The endings are done. They've defended them too much to change them, also they pleased a s---load of people with the EC. I don't know when you guys will get it.

When will you get just how credible Bioware's word actually is?

[RenegonSQ]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

The endings are done. They've defended them too much to change them, also they pleased a s---load of people with the EC. I don't know when you guys will get it.

When will you get just how credible Bioware's word actually is?

I knew I would get this reply. But out of all the things they have ever openly addressed, the only thing they ever stood with was their "artistic integrity". I truly believe that they feel their endings were the best outcome, and with the EC out all changes are final.

[Jadebaby]

RenegonSQ wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

RenegonSQ wrote...

The endings are done. They've defended them too much to change them, also they pleased a s---load of people with the EC. I don't know when you guys will get it.

When will you get just how credible Bioware's word actually is?

I knew I would get this reply. But out of all the things they have ever openly addressed, the only thing they ever stood with was their "artistic integrity". I truly believe that they feel their endings were the best outcome, and with the EC out all changes are final.

Anything's possible.

[Jadebaby]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

D24O wrote...

I'd rather they made Dinosaur DLC.

Gooby pls

lol I saw the funniest Gooby .gif today.

btw. Is Conniving Eagle a second account or something?

My initial account was Conniving Eagle, but I don't think I ever posted on it. I had to go through a whole ordeal of contacting EA's ****ty customer service to get an e-mail crisis sorted out: properly link certain e-mails to my Origin, Windows LIVE, gamertag, create a bunch of new e-mails, etc, it was pretty annoying. Why do you ask? 

I ask because anyone who signed up in 2012, I usually attribute the date in accordance with when they finished ME3.

Silly me I guess

[Conniving_Eagle]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

D24O wrote...

I'd rather they made Dinosaur DLC.

Gooby pls

lol I saw the funniest Gooby .gif today.

btw. Is Conniving Eagle a second account or something?

My initial account was Conniving Eagle, but I don't think I ever posted on it. I had to go through a whole ordeal of contacting EA's ****ty customer service to get an e-mail crisis sorted out: properly link certain e-mails to my Origin, Windows LIVE, gamertag, create a bunch of new e-mails, etc, it was pretty annoying. Why do you ask? 

I ask because anyone who signed up in 2012, I usually attribute the date in accordance with when they finished ME3.

Silly me I guess

I've been a fan since 2009, but I actually finished Mass Effect 3 a few weeks ago. If you want, read the thread in my signature, one section explains the late arrival.