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[MacNasty]

The Twilight God wrote...

MacNasty wrote...

The writers did write it, but the thing people blame EA is for causing them to write that. With so little time to actually make the game, less than ME2, which had even less than ME1 IIRC. Had EA given them more time, then the game may have turned out better.

Where are the getting this from?
 
ME2 had about 28 months (Nov  2007 - Jan 2010).
ME3 had about 28 months (Dec 2009 - Mar 2012).

Sorry, I seem to be unable to find my sources. Nonetheless, I admit it wasn't a very solid one, but it was all I had . Even so, with ME2 being the middle fo the trilogy, they didn't have to have everything diverge so much, nor show all the threads of the plot (though even that was not done...).

[Jadebaby]

I loved the plot flags in ME2 relating back to ME1. Particularly Helena Blake and Fist. Sure, they weren't important and had they not been there we probably wouldn't and noticed. But to include them, I thought, was really well done and helped the cross-over from ME1 to ME2 feel less like a sequel and more like "part 2" to the story.

[The Twilight God]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...
*snip*
There is a funny comic based on it. THIS IS A MUST READ  It perfectly captures idiotic plot of that horrible novel.

LOL! Nice one.. Pretty much sums it up.

So, for you, it's either BioWare writers suck. Or they are geniuses because of IT?

Genius? No. It's simply what the story tells. People don;t like it because it removes their happy roses and lollipops endings. IT is the only narratively consistent conclusion. At face value the refuse, control and synthesis are beyond absurd. Especially when there are easy ways to legitimize the later two endings like Vendetta being loaded on the Crucible LIKE HE SAID WOULD on Thessia. Instead of having the Reapers offer you everything you have been fighting to prevent: Control = TIM and the goal of all the indoctrinated in all cycles and Synthesis is Saren = capitulation and lose of individual freedom/self-determination. And Shepard just nods and magically foget the other 2.9 games. Or Shepard rolling over and letting everyone die after all the effort to get to that point. It's clearly indoctrination.

I mean, come on...

Reapers: You can control us. We even made a station over there for you to do it with... oh, but we wouldn't like it if you did that. That's why we made it in the first place.. because we DON'T want anyone to use it.

Shepard: Derp! Uh, ok.. I guess TIM was right afterall because you say so Mr. Reaper who indoctrinated people to seek Control in every other cycle. Derp!

Shep is either indoctrinated or the ending writers are so horrible I can't say it on the forums least I risk getting banned. I don't have enough faith to believe anyone who is paid to write can be THAT bad and IT con theory, as people have named it, adds up. I don't think it's coincidence.

I hate that they decided to indoctrinate players with 2 (now 3) endings . It was a bad idea which resulted in 3( now 4) mediocre endings in order to let people maintain the viability of false sunshine and butterflies endings that fly in the face of everything. But as I said, even the "real" ending is so flawed and self-contradicting as it's a clean up job. I understand Microsoft has some 2 gb limit of of some sort on ending mods and that's why the EC quality is lower than it could be, but they need to shadow tweek it some more.

Modifié par The Twilight God, 22 août 2012 - 03:33 .

[The Twilight God]

MacNasty wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

MacNasty wrote...

The writers did write it, but the thing people blame EA is for causing them to write that. With so little time to actually make the game, less than ME2, which had even less than ME1 IIRC. Had EA given them more time, then the game may have turned out better.

Where are the getting this from?
 
ME2 had about 28 months (Nov  2007 - Jan 2010).
ME3 had about 28 months (Dec 2009 - Mar 2012).

Sorry, I seem to be unable to find my sources. Nonetheless, I admit it wasn't a very solid one, but it was all I had . Even so, with ME2 being the middle fo the trilogy, they didn't have to have everything diverge so much, nor show all the threads of the plot (though even that was not done...).

And they did show all the threads in 3? Even after EC the only thing of relevence shown is genophage cure results which is the outcome of ME3 events. Thaen you have synthesis which nullified renegade genophage and destory nullifying paragon Geth/Quarian resolution. Ugh!

Wrex = Wreav
Mordin = Patek
Jacob = random guy
Grunt = some other krogan
Collector base = doesn't really matter at all.
Rachni queen = breeder (it's a matter of EMS; a number that does effect anything tangible onscreen)

The only thing that matters is Mordin's loyalty and Legions loyalty mission. Not much from ME1 really matters. The total number of things that do is pretty small.

[The Twilight God]

Oransel wrote...

Worst part about the Refusal? Twitter from developers saying: "Next cycle used Crucible anyway". lolwut?

You give these tweets way too much power over something that is already set in stone.

Bioware's headcanon is no more valid than anyone elses'. If they want to make it canon they need to release DLC or expansion.

In-game or didn't happen.

[The Twilight God]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

The Twilight God wrote...

MacNasty wrote...

The writers did write it, but the thing people blame EA is for causing them to write that. With so little time to actually make the game, less than ME2, which had even less than ME1 IIRC. Had EA given them more time, then the game may have turned out better.

Where are the getting this from?
 
ME2 had about 28 months (Nov  2007 - Jan 2010).
ME3 had about 28 months (Dec 2009 - Mar 2012).

It went gold in february... Actually.

And ME2 went gold in Dec 2009.

[JasonSic]

Just read the OP of this thread:

chmarr wrote...

for all we know omega might be a prototype for a new type of mass relay or as we hear on the citidel by various npcs....it may hold information on FTL travel without relays or even a brand new weapons system that would be bolted onto the normandy.

If you really can hear that in-game, the Take Back Omega DLC would probably let Shepard aquire something new. I think the brand new weapons system that would be bolted onto the normandy will greatly increase chances of conventional victory which would be needed to win after choosing refuse.

Modifié par JasonSic, 22 août 2012 - 03:21 .

[Jadebaby]

JasonSic wrote...

Just read the OP of this thread:

chmarr wrote...

for all we know omega might be a prototype for a new type of mass relay or as we hear on the citidel by various npcs....it may hold information on FTL travel without relays or even a brand new weapons system that would be bolted onto the normandy.

If you really can hear that in-game, the Take Back Omega DLC would probably let Shepard aquire something new. I think the brand new weapons system that would be bolted onto the normandy will greatly increase chances of conventional victory which would be needed to win after choosing refuse.

I LOVE IT!

I'm not adding anything to the OP until after Leviathan is released so I can do it all at once, BUt i'm jotting this down so I don't forget. Omega does sounds like an intriguel point in the plot and I'm pretty surprised it wasn't in the main game after invasion.



Edit: THank you SO much!

And Twilight GOd, four posts in a row!

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 22 août 2012 - 03:43 .

[KENNY4753]

JasonSic wrote...

Just read the OP of this thread:

chmarr wrote...

for all we know omega might be a prototype for a new type of mass relay or as we hear on the citidel by various npcs....it may hold information on FTL travel without relays or even a brand new weapons system that would be bolted onto the normandy.

If you really can hear that in-game, the Take Back Omega DLC would probably let Shepard aquire something new. I think the brand new weapons system that would be bolted onto the normandy will greatly increase chances of conventional victory which would be needed to win after choosing refuse.

I always thought that the Omega dlc would bring up the collector base and what the research facilities cerberus had out there found. Maybe they salvaged or created something from the tech beyond the omega 4 relay that could help. Like you stated maybe it was a new weapons system or something like that. 

[The Twilight God]

JasonSic wrote...

Just read the OP of this thread:

chmarr wrote...

for all we know omega might be a prototype for a new type of mass relay or as we hear on the citidel by various npcs....it may hold information on FTL travel without relays or even a brand new weapons system that would be bolted onto the normandy.

If you really can hear that in-game, the Take Back Omega DLC would probably let Shepard aquire something new. I think the brand new weapons system that would be bolted onto the normandy will greatly increase chances of conventional victory which would be needed to win after choosing refuse.

I don't recall hearing this dialogue.

Does anyone?

[Conniving_Eagle]

My Shepard kills F1st. Oh wait, I mean Fist (I'm thinking of a different Fist LOL). But anyway, I won't stand for pure injustice, I kill Aresh, too.

[Jadebaby]

No Twilight, I asked in the original thread when it occurs, waiting for a response.

[M Hedonist]

Of course, that would be great. I've planned to wait for all DLC to ME3 to be released before buying any of them so I could make a definitive 'final' trilogy playthrough.
But how likely it is this actually happens? I don't know. I guess it's possible. I wouldn't put too much hope into it, though.

[MacNasty]

The Twilight God wrote...


And they did show all the threads in 3? 

Actually,i said "Though they didn't even do that. It was saddening, really... 

[Jadebaby]

Sauruz wrote...

Of course, that would be great. I've planned to wait for all DLC to ME3 to be released before buying any of them so I could make a definitive 'final' trilogy playthrough.
But how likely it is this actually happens? I don't know. I guess it's possible. I wouldn't put too much hope into it, though.

Yea i'm not really, just more deluded ways of coping with the terrible "no-win" endings.

[AresKeith]

the SP does need more Spectre's IMO

[spotlessvoid]

So, after reading your post I gotta say I think it's very interesting-both as a stand alone theory and as a mechanism for implementing IT. A successful refuse option would make the ending palatable, especially if the consequences are satisfactorily presented. It still wouldn't be as epic as an indoctrination reveal but it would be pretty cool nonetheless.

I think the EC can be taken as one of several things

Fan service but the endings stand
Fan service intended to placate the masses until a big reveal- IT or not
Puzzle Theory to give additional context but the endings stand
Puzzle Theory building incrementally towards a reveal- IT or not

Great Theory Jade8aby88!

Edit: It is possible that with the EC being unexpected, Bioware may have decided to include an unsuccesful refuse option when the original intent was to have Leviathan introduce that option.

Modifié par spotlessvoid, 22 août 2012 - 09:17 .

[Jadebaby]

spotlessvoid wrote...

So, after reading your post I gotta say I think it's very interesting-both as a stand alone theory and as a mechanism for implementing IT. A successful refuse option would make the ending palatable, especially if the consequences are satisfactorily presented. It still wouldn't be as epic as an indoctrination reveal but it would be pretty cool nonetheless.

I think the EC can be taken as one of several things

Fan service but the endings stand
Fan service intended to placate the masses until a big reveal- IT or not
Puzzle Theory to give additional context but the endings stand
Puzzle Theory building incrementally towards a reveal- IT or not

Great Theory Jade8aby88!

Edit: It is possible that with the EC being unexpected, Bioware may have decided to include an unsuccesful refuse option when the original intent was to have Leviathan introduce that option.

That's a really good piece of speculation in your edit! I always found the use of Liara's Time Capsule a b it suss. In that the idea would have come from BioWare themselves first.

Very interesting.

[Conniving_Eagle]

I support Salarian Spectres and Geth Hoppers.

[AresKeith]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

I support Salarian Spectres and Geth Hoppers.

which one looks better as Salarian Spectre Armor?

https://encrypted-tb...GQHY-IcwVBahOu1

or a re-skin of Mordin?

[Jadebaby]

one on right, way better.

[KENNY4753]

AresKeith wrote...
Salarian Spectre Armor?

https://encrypted-tb...GQHY-IcwVBahOu1

This one

[AresKeith]

or Salarian armor but with tech shoulder armor and a Capacitor helmet

[Batnat]

Uhm...is it possible I haven´t commented on this thread yet?!   Well...I guess better late than never...

Great theory, Jade!!!

Even though I´m not quite holding my breath for it to actually happen, I DO have had these same suspicions since my initial playthrough. By now its simmered down to a kind of desperate hope but I won´t let it die until I´ve played the last SP-DLC.

I guess I still can´t believe BW would screw up on such a scale, it just doesn´t add up. Also considering their strange behavior during the whole thing...idk...I´m not prone to conspiracy theories, but in this case I just can´t help it. It´s just this feeling that we´re missing something, if that makes any sense.

Well, anyway...consider me an avid supporter of the Puzzle Theory...fitting name btw!

Modifié par Batnat, 22 août 2012 - 10:19 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

The one on the left looks like Arnold.