Rommel49 wrote...
Hell, as I've covered elsewhere, the notion that victory on our terms is impossible is contradicted by the first conversation with Javik aboard the Normandy, provided the EMS score is high enough: "For a soldier facing the Reapers, I sense more... confidence than fear. You believe you are winning".
That's funny, I've never gotten that line, I always go to Eden Prime first thing after Mars, so when he sensed my Shep, he sensed doubt and fear. I always attributed that to the IT lol.
Something I've also noted is that if one really looks at the details (or more precisely, lack thereof) of the Refusal Ending, there's nothing that even definitively shows Refusing the presented options results in the war being lost. It's that incredibly vague; it only implies defeat, but doesn't actually show it.
True, I think it is incredibly vague because the real purpose of that ending hasn't been implemented yet. In that, maybe they had written that speech for Shepard long ago and were planning to put it in with the successful "win" option, but had to incorporate it earlier in the EC because of the backlash.
We know Liara's archive is found, but not when it was found - the assumption that it's the cycle following our own is just that, an assumption. ...*snip*... - the whole purpose of seeding the archives in the first place was as "just in case" measure.
What we can determine however, is that if the recording was made after the Refusal, it meant the Normandy almost certainly survived the battle. Otherwise, how could Liara could have both made the recording and left the archive behind? By the narrator's own account, everything they know comes from that archive, meaning they evidently found zero ruins, artifacts, corporeal remains, etc. from the current cycle.
The "without the information they passed down, we too would be threatened" line from the narrator is usually taken as a sign her species built the Crucible and used it against the Reapers, but the narrator describes no specific events, etc. the Reapers are never even identified by name, and there's no evidence the narrator's species ever encountered them. There's also the fact that Liara basically calls the Crucible a lemon in her recording "we built the Crucible, but it didn't work"; the information we passed down could refer to almost anything, like the Leviathans and their disco ball artifacts or we could be the basis of a religion and the information we passed down is their equivalent of the ten commandments.
That's a good point about when liara planted them. I always assumed she did it with the probe thingy you use on fetch quests just randomly through-out the story after the "My Project" mission. But that's obviously not true because Liara talks about the Crucible not working. Maybe you're right, the Normandy escapes and plants it somewhere, maybe the planet they plant it on is the Eden planet. Also, does that mean there was only one Liara beacon planted? And not more?
Despite all this, I do think if they add a successful refuse, that the fade to black loss will never change, in that it would explain things and play out as a loss. There'd be too much content and the winning scenario would be their top priority.
inversevideo wrote...
So Jade, I been thinking (yeah, I know it is not good for my health), but is it possible that the galaxy is just caught in a very long term war between the Reapers and Leviathan?
Seems to me if Starkid wanted to preserve life and avoid conflict between organics and inorganics, it could have done so easily. So something else is going on. Maybe Starkid was told to preserve Leviathan life, but it really is opposed to Leviathan, so it creates a balance by reaperizing Leviathan. But the remaining Leviathan, not too happy with that plan resist.
I've thought about that before. Because the Leviathans wanted it to solve the solution between organics and synthetics, but the Leviathans were the root of the problem. So to try and create a harmony the Catalyst creates Reapers (synthetics) Leviathans (organics) lol.
So now starkid harvests the galaxy, everey 50k years, 1) to ensure Leviathan has not created any new thralls, or gained significant numbers, 2) to reduce the galaxy's intelligent species, so there is nothing for Leviathan to use, 3) to create a new capital Reaper, and maybe smaller destroyer types, plus the husks, 4) perhaps to find a race that once Reaperfied, will be able to stand far and above any Leviathan, replacing Leviathan as an Apex predator/race.
1&2) Possible, like the aspect of pruning the galaxy to nullify the thralls.
3) Well we know he's doing that anyway
4) True, the Leviathan did say that it was "searching for something.."
So when Starkid presents you with it;s 3 options, it is doing so with how it can use you and your cycle to oppose Leviathan.
CONTROL - Shepareaper assumes control of the Reaper fleet and uses Shepards knowledge and training of tactics to lead the Reapers into battle.
I like it, it's has that indoctrination sort of twist on it as well. No, in fact I love it. Because it shows that control is actually impossible.
SYNTHESIS - Shepard helps the Reapers to evolve by merging with humanity to create a level playing field between organic and inorganic.. A side benefit of which is the entire Galaxy is 'joined', as a new form of life; perhaps making it difficult for Leviathan in some way.
A bit iffy on how it would affect Leviathans, would they be synthesized as well?
DESTROY - Starkid concedes that maybe Reapers are not the answer. It is not quite clear what becomes of Starkid himself, in this scenario. Maybe he is content to be consigned to the void, having accepted he failed his purpose. Maybe he can't self terminate.
Or maybe by choosing destroy it is now the Leviathans controlling Shepard using him or her to destroy the Catalyst so that they can take over again!
REFUSE - Starkid was not sure which of the above outcomes would be optimal, it cannot decide, and since you reject all 3, then it assumes maybe they are all bad, and continues with what it has been doing, reaping.
Why does Starkidn simply not tell you about the Leviathan? Conceit maybe? It assumes such knowledge would only confuse you, and you would not be able to make a choice? Hard to say when good machines goe bad.
I think the Catalyst is pretty full of himself. Just as much as his creators are. I definitely believe he holds back information, this is evident in his answer when you ask him who built the Crucible.. "You would not know them, and there is little time to explain."
Whatever the answer is, it's lying in future dlc.
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