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[Baa Baa]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I'm in this deluded blind hope mode until the very last piece of dlc comes out for ME3.

I agree. Until we know for certain that ME3 is done we can still hope they will make it right.

Yeah, I'm not expecting anything...
but I still have that bit of hope left in me

[Jadebaby]

skate4tacos96 wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

Jade... you make me freakin' laugh

What did I do?

That's how you know it was a good joke if even you didn't know you did something funny lol

It seems like you throw jokes into almost every sentence you write, but it must be natural since you're unaware of it... which makes it even funnier. 

I don't know whether that's good or bad, but if you're left smiling, im glad

[skate4tacos96]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I'm starting to feel that all the Citadel info in the Leviathan game files are actually for a final cut. But I doubt it.

[skate4tacos96]

Jade you just made me laugh again because your sentence rhymed. God dangit why are you so naturally funny? XD

[Jadebaby]

Brining up some of my old jokes there skate4tacos96?


Edit: wow, that was totally unintentional! That rarely happens... Weird....

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 04 septembre 2012 - 11:48 .

[Baa Baa]

skate4tacos96 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I'm starting to feel that all the Citadel info in the Leviathan game files are actually for a final cut. But I doubt it.

Wow, I won't lie, that's a little mind blowing

Modifié par Baa Baa, 04 septembre 2012 - 11:54 .

[KENNY4753]

Baa Baa wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I'm in this deluded blind hope mode until the very last piece of dlc comes out for ME3.

I agree. Until we know for certain that ME3 is done we can still hope they will make it right.

Yeah, I'm not expecting anything...
but I still have that bit of hope left in me

That's all we could do, hope

[Jadebaby]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

KENNY4753 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I'm in this deluded blind hope mode until the very last piece of dlc comes out for ME3.

I agree. Until we know for certain that ME3 is done we can still hope they will make it right.

Yeah, I'm not expecting anything...
but I still have that bit of hope left in me

That's all we could do, hope

Exactly, not just because it's all we have left. But because it's all Mass Effect 3 left us with. SO many times through-out the game there are themes of lightening up the darkness, from Eve's crystal to EDI trying to understand self-sacrifice against the odds, to even Garrus specifically talking about "blind hope" or "blind faith" I forget the exact phrase. The point is, the endings don't fit this.

[KENNY4753]

Baa Baa wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I'm starting to feel that all the Citadel info in the Leviathan game files are actually for a final cut. But I doubt it.

Wow, I won't lie, that's a little mind blowing

 

[Jadebaby]

KENNY4753 wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

skate4tacos96 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I'm starting to feel that all the Citadel info in the Leviathan game files are actually for a final cut. But I doubt it.

Wow, I won't lie, that's a little mind blowing

 

Speculations

[skate4tacos96]

[quote]Jade8aby88 wrote...

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[quote]Baa Baa wrote...

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[quote]Jade8aby88 wrote...

I'm starting to feel that all the Citadel info in the Leviathan game files are actually for a final cut. But I doubt it.[/quote][/quote]

Wow, I won't lie, that's a little mind blowing
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Speculations [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/surprised.png[/smilie]:o

[skate4tacos96]

[quote]Jade8aby88 wrote...

Brining up some of my old jokes there skate4tacos96?


Edit: wow, that was totally unintentional! That rarely happens... Weird.... [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/bandit.png[/smilie]

[OdanUrr]

I don't really see a future in further speculation that the endings will change only because we hope they will. We asked that the endings be enhanced and Bioware did that to a certain extent. They have stated numerous times that's the end of it, pun intended. I've seen people wield the argument that "Bioware has lied before" but that's proof of nothing in and of itself.

As for it being a great marketing strategy, I seriously doubt it. In this day and age, a gamer's attention span to any single game isn't that long, particularly considering the rate at which we're being bombarded with new releases. Of course, this span will vary from game to game and especially from single-player to multiplayer experiences (multiplayer experiences are designed and played thinking long-term). After all, there's only so many times a non-fan will play a single-player campaign, even a RPG one. DLC seeks to extend the product's life cycle but most of the time it'll find itself fighting against a new release or even against rival DLC from a different game. Another thing is that RPGs take a heck of a lot more time to play than other genres and sometimes people can't or are unwilling to pour hundreds upon hundreds of hours into the same story.

All of this makes the idea of a long-term strategy, where Bioware withholds parts of the game only to reveal "the truth" a year from now, highly unlikely. A year from now, that "final truth" will become largely, if not entirely, irrelevant, since most gamers will be playing something else. Heck, a week or two from now I'll probably be playing Borderlands 2, and then come October-November I'll get into AC3, Halo 4, and Dishonored, if I can make the time. I might even play upcoming ME3 DLC but that's only because I've been on this ride from day one, back with ME1, and I love the universe, despite the fact I get angry from time to time at seeing how its own creators treat said universe.

What I'm trying to say is not to let your expectations get the better of you. Don't let your disappointment turn into rage if, a year from now, your expectations are not met. Don't say someone lied to you because they didn't do something they said they wouldn't but you hoped they might.

I guess that about covers what I wanted to say. Carry on.

[Merlin 47]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Merlin 47 wrote...

It's a nice theory, Jade. Not quite what I'm hoping for though for my ending. It's something to hope for, but there are certain elements I'm looking for before I'm willing to get on board with any ending.

Such as?

Just three things:

1) For Shep to be alive
2) For a way to actually keep EDI and the Geth alive
3) Happy reunion with LI and crew

Still....out of the many theories I've read and seen, this probably tops the list now for me. It's still a very plausable theory.

[Jadebaby]

OdanUrr wrote...

I don't really see a future in further speculation that the endings will change only because we hope they will. We asked that the endings be enhanced and Bioware did that to a certain extent. They have stated numerous times that's the end of it, pun intended. I've seen people wield the argument that "Bioware has lied before" but that's proof of nothing in and of itself.

As for it being a great marketing strategy, I seriously doubt it. In this day and age, a gamer's attention span to any single game isn't that long, particularly considering the rate at which we're being bombarded with new releases. Of course, this span will vary from game to game and especially from single-player to multiplayer experiences (multiplayer experiences are designed and played thinking long-term). After all, there's only so many times a non-fan will play a single-player campaign, even a RPG one. DLC seeks to extend the product's life cycle but most of the time it'll find itself fighting against a new release or even against rival DLC from a different game. Another thing is that RPGs take a heck of a lot more time to play than other genres and sometimes people can't or are unwilling to pour hundreds upon hundreds of hours into the same story.

All of this makes the idea of a long-term strategy, where Bioware withholds parts of the game only to reveal "the truth" a year from now, highly unlikely. A year from now, that "final truth" will become largely, if not entirely, irrelevant, since most gamers will be playing something else. Heck, a week or two from now I'll probably be playing Borderlands 2, and then come October-November I'll get into AC3, Halo 4, and Dishonored, if I can make the time. I might even play upcoming ME3 DLC but that's only because I've been on this ride from day one, back with ME1, and I love the universe, despite the fact I get angry from time to time at seeing how its own creators treat said universe.

What I'm trying to say is not to let your expectations get the better of you. Don't let your disappointment turn into rage if, a year from now, your expectations are not met. Don't say someone lied to you because they didn't do something they said they wouldn't but you hoped they might.

I guess that about covers what I wanted to say. Carry on.

I agree with you on some points, but I'm not using the hope to keep myself from seeing the truth about what we have now, so if nothing does change, I can just walk away and let that be the end of it. But only once I know for sure.

You're right though, the dlc is a great way to get people back into the game. So what a greater insentive then to unveil a master plan rather than just let them game die off with specifically mid-story content?

I mean I will be playing and paying for all the dlc, because Shepard's my fav protagonist in any game series and I want more of their story, no matter how it affects things, but there's always that lingering question of "why put myself through all the emotions of ME3 again if it wont lead to anything in the end?"

Because I don't know about anyone else, but when dlc comes out I usually play the whole story again, not just the dlc.

[Rommel49]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Exactly, not just because it's all we have left. But because it's all Mass Effect 3 left us with. SO many times through-out the game there are themes of lightening up the darkness, from Eve's crystal to EDI trying to understand self-sacrifice against the odds, to even Garrus specifically talking about "blind hope" or "blind faith" I forget the exact phrase. The point is, the endings don't fit this.

Pretty much. As Koobismo said, it's basically the problem that the finale has, it doesn't match the remaining guiding emotion, which is hope; the current endings just don't belong. Hell, it's something of the irony of the speech given when the refusal option is picked - even at that time, as bleak as it is, there's that glimmer of hope: "I fight for freedom, mine and everyone else's".

I didn't run around the place, scan all those planets, and foster peace between races that hated each other just to be handed the easy option of a choice the Starkid picked out for me. I earn my victories, they're not victories otherwise.

[OdanUrr]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Because I don't know about anyone else, but when dlc comes out I usually play the whole story again, not just the dlc.

Same here, but it does get tiresome after a while.

[skate4tacos96]

Yeah, I play through the whole story again too when new DLC comes out. The more and more you talk about the PT, the more and more I wish you had directed the original endings XD.

Seriously though, Jade, great work

[XXIceColdXX]

OdanUrr wrote...

I don't really see a future in further speculation that the endings will change only because we hope they will. We asked that the endings be enhanced and Bioware did that to a certain extent. They have stated numerous times that's the end of it, pun intended. I've seen people wield the argument that "Bioware has lied before" but that's proof of nothing in and of itself.

As for it being a great marketing strategy, I seriously doubt it. In this day and age, a gamer's attention span to any single game isn't that long, particularly considering the rate at which we're being bombarded with new releases. Of course, this span will vary from game to game and especially from single-player to multiplayer experiences (multiplayer experiences are designed and played thinking long-term). After all, there's only so many times a non-fan will play a single-player campaign, even a RPG one. DLC seeks to extend the product's life cycle but most of the time it'll find itself fighting against a new release or even against rival DLC from a different game. Another thing is that RPGs take a heck of a lot more time to play than other genres and sometimes people can't or are unwilling to pour hundreds upon hundreds of hours into the same story.

All of this makes the idea of a long-term strategy, where Bioware withholds parts of the game only to reveal "the truth" a year from now, highly unlikely. A year from now, that "final truth" will become largely, if not entirely, irrelevant, since most gamers will be playing something else. Heck, a week or two from now I'll probably be playing Borderlands 2, and then come October-November I'll get into AC3, Halo 4, and Dishonored, if I can make the time. I might even play upcoming ME3 DLC but that's only because I've been on this ride from day one, back with ME1, and I love the universe, despite the fact I get angry from time to time at seeing how its own creators treat said universe.

What I'm trying to say is not to let your expectations get the better of you. Don't let your disappointment turn into rage if, a year from now, your expectations are not met. Don't say someone lied to you because they didn't do something they said they wouldn't but you hoped they might.

I guess that about covers what I wanted to say. Carry on.

I suppose alot of us have loved this series for years now and are no where near ready to give up on it.

I suppose if nothing is done, and time has passed, ill always be disappointmented at how ME3 ended and the missed potential it had. Dissapointed that Bioware held on to their 'artistic integrity' and did not listen to their fans, because even after release, they could have turned this piece of coal into a diamond.

[Jadebaby]

Merlin 47 wrote...

Just three things:

1) For Shep to be alive
2) For a way to actually keep EDI and the Geth alive
3) Happy reunion with LI and crew

Still....out of the many theories I've read and seen, this probably tops the list now for me. It's still a very plausable theory.

I agree on all three counts. And of course there will be a few sacrifices but being the "catalyst" to cause the genocide of an entire species is a whole different ball-game.

[Jadebaby]

OdanUrr wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Because I don't know about anyone else, but when dlc comes out I usually play the whole story again, not just the dlc.

Same here, but it does get tiresome after a while.

Exactly, and especially with a game like Mass Effect 3 that can be emotionally draining too. It adds up.

So why not spice it up a bit?


@skate4tacos96 lol that wouldn't have gone down well, I'm just working with what they have given us, they are the ones that had to create this universe, credit to them that I care so much.

[Jadebaby]

XXIceColdXX wrote...

I suppose alot of us have loved this series for years now and are no where near ready to give up on it.

I suppose if nothing is done, and time has passed, ill always be disappointmented at how ME3 ended and the missed potential it had. Dissapointed that Bioware held on to their 'artistic integrity' and did not listen to their fans, because even after release, they could have turned this piece of coal into a diamond.

Whose to say they still can't? Patience is key now. That's the only thing we can do, is be patient.

[skate4tacos96]

Hope, I think has been the underlying theme throughout the entire Mass Effect franchise. The endings we have currently, simply don't follow that theme. However, if BioWare were to add on to the Refusal ending, we would be once again on the right path. But quite ironically, the only thing we can do about seeing this new ending become a reality... is hope.

[XXIceColdXX]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

XXIceColdXX wrote...

I suppose alot of us have loved this series for years now and are no where near ready to give up on it.

I suppose if nothing is done, and time has passed, ill always be disappointmented at how ME3 ended and the missed potential it had. Dissapointed that Bioware held on to their 'artistic integrity' and did not listen to their fans, because even after release, they could have turned this piece of coal into a diamond.

Whose to say they still can't? Patience is key now. That's the only thing we can do, is be patient.

For shizzle!, just need a few more pieces of the puzzle. As long as Bioware are making DLC ill have my fingers crossed.

My last post was a reply to a 'down the track' situation where DLC had ceased and we were left empty handed.

Modifié par XXIceColdXX, 05 septembre 2012 - 05:23 .

[Noelemahc]

Thread hop: the idea has merit, certainly, but it hinges on one shaky assumption: that the MP fluff actually matters. Mind you, we're talking about a game that ignores its own plot points, Codex entries and characterizations, and not only in the debatable ending (but also the debatable beginning and rather weak third quarter).

However, Leviathan DLC still looks and feels like it's part of some larger plan, be it an elaborate trolling attempt or a januwine long game of information manipulation. It would certainly justify the highly selective and weird stonewalling BioWare did in regard to the whole ending thing.

(On a pragmatic note, I think you're giving BW writers too much credit, but what the hey, we all could use some optimism)