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[Jadebaby]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Well, MY Shepard was on vacation in Vancouver having made Hackett use the 103rd Marines (I didn't get them for ME3 because I didn't do Arrival) to rescue Kenson and blow up the relay. She'd been doing all the Cerberus stuff against the Collectors with the blessing of the Council being a Spectre and all that, and Anderson being a councilor. She'd been declared officially dead by the Alliance and was waiting to be declared officially alive again. She brought a state of the art Cerberus vessel to the Alliance and was showing them what they did with it. She was just waiting for her paperwork to clear for re-commission and security clearance. Why would she be in lockup?

She was kicking back enjoying the sunshine (?) and good food and soft bed, and having James act as chauffeur driving her all over town. Then Liara arrived later after TIM crashed her Shadow Broker party.

Still, regarding the EC endings without Puzzle Theory, do you really want to make them suffer through Mac and Casey's idiocy?  I'm not so sure I do. It was really painful. Maybe a footnote -- "We fought for this so you wouldn't have to see the original."

I hope you're feeling better.

First of all, thank you The medication helps... 

Second of all, Arrival....

Arrival was a dlc. And you're exactly right, why would Shepard be locked up if they didn't do Arrival? Because of working with Cerberus? Bollocks, Dr. Chakwas said it best "To be honest, I feel sorry for Cerberus, we used them, and then when we didn't need them any longer, we took they're ship and funds and abandoned them."

The point I'm trying to make by this is that when it comes to Mass Effect, DLC is crucial.

AdelaideJohn1967 wrote...

Hi Jade

I am from Australia, Adelaide actually (its in my forum nick) I got my Mass Effect when the prices were pretty high, around the $100 mark. That's why I feel that way about DLC. If you pay that much for a game you should get something in return like maybe DLC included in the price. Having to pay extra for bits you have to add on just doesn't appeal to me unless there's something of interest in the content of the DLC..

Yea, that's what I gathered, I guess you were Aussie because of your name. As for the bolded part, what would make the DLC content interesting for you?

[AresKeith]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Well, MY Shepard was on vacation in Vancouver having made Hackett use the 103rd Marines (I didn't get them for ME3 because I didn't do Arrival) to rescue Kenson and blow up the relay. She'd been doing all the Cerberus stuff against the Collectors with the blessing of the Council being a Spectre and all that, and Anderson being a councilor. She'd been declared officially dead by the Alliance and was waiting to be declared officially alive again. She brought a state of the art Cerberus vessel to the Alliance and was showing them what they did with it. She was just waiting for her paperwork to clear for re-commission and security clearance. Why would she be in lockup?

She was kicking back enjoying the sunshine (?) and good food and soft bed, and having James act as chauffeur driving her all over town. Then Liara arrived later after TIM crashed her Shadow Broker party.

Still, regarding the EC endings without Puzzle Theory, do you really want to make them suffer through Mac and Casey's idiocy?  I'm not so sure I do. It was really painful. Maybe a footnote -- "We fought for this so you wouldn't have to see the original."

I hope you're feeling better.

First of all, thank you The medication helps... 

Second of all, Arrival....

Arrival was a dlc. And you're exactly right, why would Shepard be locked up if they didn't do Arrival? Because of working with Cerberus? Bollocks, Dr. Chakwas said it best "To be honest, I feel sorry for Cerberus, we used them, and then when we didn't need them any longer, we took they're ship and funds and abandoned them."

The point I'm trying to make by this is that when it comes to Mass Effect, DLC is crucial.

thats because Arrival isn't canon lol

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Well, MY Shepard was on vacation in Vancouver having made Hackett use the 103rd Marines (I didn't get them for ME3 because I didn't do Arrival) to rescue Kenson and blow up the relay. She'd been doing all the Cerberus stuff against the Collectors with the blessing of the Council being a Spectre and all that, and Anderson being a councilor. She'd been declared officially dead by the Alliance and was waiting to be declared officially alive again. She brought a state of the art Cerberus vessel to the Alliance and was showing them what they did with it. She was just waiting for her paperwork to clear for re-commission and security clearance. Why would she be in lockup?

She was kicking back enjoying the sunshine (?) and good food and soft bed, and having James act as chauffeur driving her all over town. Then Liara arrived later after TIM crashed her Shadow Broker party.

Still, regarding the EC endings without Puzzle Theory, do you really want to make them suffer through Mac and Casey's idiocy?  I'm not so sure I do. It was really painful. Maybe a footnote -- "We fought for this so you wouldn't have to see the original."

I hope you're feeling better.

First of all, thank you The medication helps... 

Second of all, Arrival....

Arrival was a dlc. And you're exactly right, why would Shepard be locked up if they didn't do Arrival? Because of working with Cerberus? Bollocks, Dr. Chakwas said it best "To be honest, I feel sorry for Cerberus, we used them, and then when we didn't need them any longer, we took they're ship and funds and abandoned them."

The point I'm trying to make by this is that when it comes to Mass Effect, DLC is crucial.

AdelaideJohn1967 wrote...

Hi Jade

I am from Australia, Adelaide actually (its in my forum nick) I got my Mass Effect when the prices were pretty high, around the $100 mark. That's why I feel that way about DLC. If you pay that much for a game you should get something in return like maybe DLC included in the price. Having to pay extra for bits you have to add on just doesn't appeal to me unless there's something of interest in the content of the DLC..

Yea, that's what I gathered, I guess you were Aussie because of your name. As for the bolded part, what would make the DLC content interesting for you?

Oh, I had it loaded at the time, Jade. Since Shepard was declared officially dead by the Alliance, Hackett could only "request it be done because Kenson was a friend" and MY Shepard told Hackett that she'd do it IF she had the time. I took the renegade response. Basically there were more pressing matters at hand, like the Collectors and Liara. "Hackett. You have other resources. Use them. I feel like being selfish for a change.:P"

I loaded after doing LotSB. So Shepard would rather have some nice intimate dinners with Liara than do some favor for Hackett.

[Jadebaby]

AresKeith wrote...

thats because Arrival isn't canon lol

Of course it's canon. It's an official dlc by BioWare. That makes it canon.

[AresKeith]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

thats because Arrival isn't canon lol

Of course it's canon. It's an official dlc by BioWare. That makes it canon.

Arrival was meant to be part of the bridge between ME2 and ME3 along with the trial at the beginning of ME3 because it was crucial to the story and focused on Shepard and the Reapers, when Bioware cut out the trial and made Arrival completely irrelevant with two references to it that made it non-canon

LotSB was more canon than Arrival

[Jadebaby]

AresKeith wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

thats because Arrival isn't canon lol

Of course it's canon. It's an official dlc by BioWare. That makes it canon.

Arrival was meant to be part of the bridge between ME2 and ME3 along with the trial at the beginning of ME3 because it was crucial to the story and focused on Shepard and the Reapers, when Bioware cut out the trial and made Arrival completely irrelevant with two references to it that made it non-canon

LotSB was more canon than Arrival

There is no "less" or "more" canon, either something is canon, or it's not.

Yes, LotSB can be considered "more" canon because it impacts the bridge between ME2 and 3 more, but both are still considered canon. Either way Bahak is destroyed, and either way Liara becomes the Shadow Broker.

[Jadebaby]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Oh, I had it loaded at the time, Jade. Since Shepard was declared officially dead by the Alliance, Hackett could only "request it be done because Kenson was a friend" and MY Shepard told Hackett that she'd do it IF she had the time. I took the renegade response. Basically there were more pressing matters at hand, like the Collectors and Liara. "Hackett. You have other resources. Use them. I feel like being selfish for a change.:P"

I loaded after doing LotSB. So Shepard would rather have some nice intimate dinners with Liara than do some favor for Hackett.

lol you are so selfish, and I'm okay with that.

Because it's Liara

[AresKeith]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

thats because Arrival isn't canon lol

Of course it's canon. It's an official dlc by BioWare. That makes it canon.

Arrival was meant to be part of the bridge between ME2 and ME3 along with the trial at the beginning of ME3 because it was crucial to the story and focused on Shepard and the Reapers, when Bioware cut out the trial and made Arrival completely irrelevant with two references to it that made it non-canon

LotSB was more canon than Arrival

There is no "less" or "more" canon, either something is canon, or it's not.

Yes, LotSB can be considered "more" canon because it impacts the bridge between ME2 and 3 more, but both are still considered canon. Either way Bahak is destroyed, and either way Liara becomes the Shadow Broker.

but the difference between LotSB and Arrival is that Arrival was crucial to the main story were LotSB was more focused on Liara and the Shadow Broker, and put Shepard there for people to restart their romance with her. Because Liara still finds the base and becomes the new Shadow Broker regardless, but in Arrival if you didn't do it some random Alliance team does it after Hackett comes to you saying he only needs Shepard to do it

[Jadebaby]

AresKeith wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

thats because Arrival isn't canon lol

Of course it's canon. It's an official dlc by BioWare. That makes it canon.

Arrival was meant to be part of the bridge between ME2 and ME3 along with the trial at the beginning of ME3 because it was crucial to the story and focused on Shepard and the Reapers, when Bioware cut out the trial and made Arrival completely irrelevant with two references to it that made it non-canon

LotSB was more canon than Arrival

There is no "less" or "more" canon, either something is canon, or it's not.

Yes, LotSB can be considered "more" canon because it impacts the bridge between ME2 and 3 more, but both are still considered canon. Either way Bahak is destroyed, and either way Liara becomes the Shadow Broker.

but the difference between LotSB and Arrival is that Arrival was crucial to the main story were LotSB was more focused on Liara and the Shadow Broker, and put Shepard there for people to restart their romance with her. Because Liara still finds the base and becomes the new Shadow Broker regardless, but in Arrival if you didn't do it some random Alliance team does it after Hackett comes to you saying he only needs Shepard to do it

Same as if you don't do LotSB, Feron dies at the hands of the Shadow Broker but Liara still becomes Broker regardless, without Shepard's help IIRC.The only difference between the two is Liara does it alone, whereas Arrival is done by a different group entirely.

A canon playthrough of Mass Effect requires all the dlc. From "Bring Down The Sky" to "Leviathan".

[inversevideo]

BW would totally sell us the ending or multiple endings. It may have been their plan all along.

They would not be the first to do so.

[inversevideo]

Definitely, all the DLC is canon, and seems to occur with or without Shepard.
Which also implies that in order to see the full picture you need to obtain all the pieces.

I got the impression there is supposed to be lots of SP DLC coming out later this year.
So the picture is not finished yet.

[BansheeOwnage]

inversevideo wrote...

Definitely, all the DLC is canon, and seems to occur with or without Shepard.
Which also implies that in order to see the full picture you need to obtain all the pieces.

Also wanted to point out that on the IMDB page for ME3 (it's not proof or anything) that the ME3 starts with Shepard being detained for the events of Arrival.  Also, Casey Hudson said Arrival was canon, but unfortunately I forget where.

[AchesOfDoom]

If this theoery will prove right, then Bioware is trully an amazing company!

Modifié par AchesOfDoom, 23 septembre 2012 - 06:19 .

[Jadebaby]

I'd just like to add here this page I found from the MP forums...

It could suggest further evidence of the link between SP and MP, more notabley, Operation Patriot and Omega dlc.

http://social.biowar.../index/14172087

As I told BansheeOwnage, the Allied goal could be Cerberus orientated in anticipation for Omega dlc. But I never thought about the squad goal until I saw this thread.

[Jadebaby]

bump for a new fleshed out Multiplayer section. Granted it's probably nothing that you all haven't thought of already, but if something strikes your interest, voice it please

[saintjimmy43]

anyone got any more dlc speculation? For after Omega I mean. Omega's DLC was hinted at by Aria's dialogue, much like Liara hinted at LotSB during ME2. Anybody got on any telling lines from ME3?

[RainbowDazed]

I think the refusal ending is good as it is. Only thing I'd add to it would be an epic Shepard speech about the catalyst being a messed up loon and that none of the options are good enough. This cycle was not ready to end the cycle, but the next cycle was. And they ended the cycle because of Shepard and the sacrifice this cycle made. The ultimate, hardcore sacrifice.

[Jadebaby]

saintjimmy43 wrote...

anyone got any more dlc speculation? For after Omega I mean. Omega's DLC was hinted at by Aria's dialogue, much like Liara hinted at LotSB during ME2. Anybody got on any telling lines from ME3?

Actually, if you have a look here..

http://social.biowar.../index/13910521

People have speculated that there will be new "Citadel" dlc after Omega.. However, I'm under the impression that this Citadel data is either new areas for Omega itself. Or maybe new data for some type of ending dlc.

RainbowDazed wrote...

I think the refusal ending is good as it is. Only thing I'd add to it would be an epic Shepard speech about the catalyst being a messed up loon and that none of the options are good enough. This cycle was not ready to end the cycle, but the next cycle was. And they ended the cycle because of Shepard and the sacrifice this cycle made. The ultimate, hardcore sacrifice.

Which is also why it would stay as an ending. Just a low-EMS cut-off line as talked about in the OP.

Although the next cycle win, it is pretty much a "game-over" ending. Remember how people complained on release that you couldn't get a "total" loss, well with the unsuccessful refusal you now can.

Shepard already has an epic speech by the way. Which is what makes the "fade-to-black" loss, that much more jarring.

[Jadebaby]

This is copy/pasted from page 1019 of the IT thread, Mark III.

BleedingUranium wrote...

Holycrapholycrapholycrap! Ideas! Puzzle Theory related breakthroughs! Banshee and I were talking, discussing IT, and I thought of something brilliant. Though these are all known pieces of evidence and such, I never thought of this until now.

Leviathan was August 28th, the last Tuesday of the month.

Omega is widely expected to be October 30th, due to several factors. Any later, and it would be on either the release of Halo 4, Black Ops 2, or immediately after their releases, which would be a terrible idea. We also have the Pumpkin in Vancouver, as well as dev comments that they're playing it right now and that it's amazing, so if it's not done now, it's very close.

"DLC 3", which may or may not be the Xen/Keeper DLC, has been announced to be released 1st Quarter 2013.

Since everything's on Tuesdays, Levi and Omega would be as close as you can get to 2 months apart, which is 9 weeks. Almost any time in 2013 is longer than 9 weeks from Omega, and that'd be a bit strange.

Oh, wait. Fireworks? Champagne? New Years DLC you say? Well, it just so happens that 9 weeks after Omega is... January 1st! Which just so happens to be? Technically 1st quarter 2013.


Still not sold? Well that's okay, there's more.

Remember Bioware stated they're working on a new Mass Effect game? As well, someone (I'm sorry, I can't remember who) was talking about the possibility of it being a "Mass Effect 3: Part 2", or, at any rate, an expansion big enough to be disc based. While I find this to be a cool idea, there's now more to it.

Leviathan. 9 weeks later? Halloween & Omega. 9 weeks later? New Years/Q1-2013 & "DLC 3". 9 weeks later?

March 5th. One year less a day from the launch of Mass Effect 3.

The next Mass Effect game won't feature Shepard as the playable character?
The game flags our choices at the end?
We should keep our saves?
The Rachni will play a huge role in the final battle with the Reapers?
No ABC endings?
No Reaper off switch?
"If you knew what we were planning you'd hold on to your copies forever"?

Personally, I think this would be amazing. Also don't forget the Valentine's day cake on the Vancouver base which might also suggest another dlc between the new years one and ME3's anniversary.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

Definitely, all the DLC is canon, and seems to occur with or without Shepard.
Which also implies that in order to see the full picture you need to obtain all the pieces.

Also wanted to point out that on the IMDB page for ME3 (it's not proof or anything) that the ME3 starts with Shepard being detained for the events of Arrival.  Also, Casey Hudson said Arrival was canon, but unfortunately I forget where.

Casey doesn't know what he's talking about half the time. Anyone who says a decent ending is too videogamey and gives us the crap we got in March loses credibility.

And here's what I find very odd. Shepard was being detained for "events of Arrival." Yet, if you didn't do Arrival you didn't get the 103rd Marines as War Assets because Hackett used them to do the events of Arrival. That's in game. Hudson and Walters can't write. The intro was very poorly done. Even if they handled it correctly under military code, they would have been wrong, unless I missed yet another one of Bioware's infamous "twitter retcons" which don't count for sh*t.

The problem with the entire holding Shepard accountable under military code was that Shepard was still not under military command, otherwise Anderson or Hackett could easily have ordered Shepard to return to duty immediately when they found out she was alive. They did not. Shepard had no rank in the Alliance Military. Pay was coming from Cerberus, a private corporation, and the Citadel Council as a Spectre. Thus military code would not apply. Shepard was a civilian. Shepard thus would fall under civilian code. Shepard would not be in lockup or confined to base. Shepard would be out on bail.

There was also no evidence. At most even if she did do Arrival, the only evidence was some security footage of her busting Kenson out of a Batarian prison which was well within Spectre stuff. There was nothing about Shepard having anything to do with the asteroid. Shepard would not talk to any investigators about the incident and instead invoke constitutional rights, because anything you say can and will be used against you. Shepard would immediately request counsel.

Any lawyer worth their J.D. would have the case thrown out of court with ease.

[Jadebaby]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

Definitely, all the DLC is canon, and seems to occur with or without Shepard.
Which also implies that in order to see the full picture you need to obtain all the pieces.

Also wanted to point out that on the IMDB page for ME3 (it's not proof or anything) that the ME3 starts with Shepard being detained for the events of Arrival.  Also, Casey Hudson said Arrival was canon, but unfortunately I forget where.

Casey doesn't know what he's talking about half the time. Anyone who says a decent ending is too videogamey and gives us the crap we got in March loses credibility.

And here's what I find very odd. Shepard was being detained for "events of Arrival." Yet, if you didn't do Arrival you didn't get the 103rd Marines as War Assets because Hackett used them to do the events of Arrival. That's in game. Hudson and Walters can't write. The intro was very poorly done. Even if they handled it correctly under military code, they would have been wrong, unless I missed yet another one of Bioware's infamous "twitter retcons" which don't count for sh*t.

The problem with the entire holding Shepard accountable under military code was that Shepard was still not under military command, otherwise Anderson or Hackett could easily have ordered Shepard to return to duty immediately when they found out she was alive. They did not. Shepard had no rank in the Alliance Military. Pay was coming from Cerberus, a private corporation, and the Citadel Council as a Spectre. Thus military code would not apply. Shepard was a civilian. Shepard thus would fall under civilian code. Shepard would not be in lockup or confined to base. Shepard would be out on bail.

There was also no evidence. At most even if she did do Arrival, the only evidence was some security footage of her busting Kenson out of a Batarian prison which was well within Spectre stuff. There was nothing about Shepard having anything to do with the asteroid. Shepard would not talk to any investigators about the incident and instead invoke constitutional rights, because anything you say can and will be used against you. Shepard would immediately request counsel.

Any lawyer worth their J.D. would have the case thrown out of court with ease.

I think it was said somewhere that it was just for working with Cerberus if you didn't do arrival.

[N7 Shadow Liara]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

inversevideo wrote...

Definitely, all the DLC is canon, and seems to occur with or without Shepard.
Which also implies that in order to see the full picture you need to obtain all the pieces.

Also wanted to point out that on the IMDB page for ME3 (it's not proof or anything) that the ME3 starts with Shepard being detained for the events of Arrival.  Also, Casey Hudson said Arrival was canon, but unfortunately I forget where.

Casey doesn't know what he's talking about half the time. Anyone who says a decent ending is too videogamey and gives us the crap we got in March loses credibility.

And here's what I find very odd. Shepard was being detained for "events of Arrival." Yet, if you didn't do Arrival you didn't get the 103rd Marines as War Assets because Hackett used them to do the events of Arrival. That's in game. Hudson and Walters can't write. The intro was very poorly done. Even if they handled it correctly under military code, they would have been wrong, unless I missed yet another one of Bioware's infamous "twitter retcons" which don't count for sh*t.

The problem with the entire holding Shepard accountable under military code was that Shepard was still not under military command, otherwise Anderson or Hackett could easily have ordered Shepard to return to duty immediately when they found out she was alive. They did not. Shepard had no rank in the Alliance Military. Pay was coming from Cerberus, a private corporation, and the Citadel Council as a Spectre. Thus military code would not apply. Shepard was a civilian. Shepard thus would fall under civilian code. Shepard would not be in lockup or confined to base. Shepard would be out on bail.

There was also no evidence. At most even if she did do Arrival, the only evidence was some security footage of her busting Kenson out of a Batarian prison which was well within Spectre stuff. There was nothing about Shepard having anything to do with the asteroid. Shepard would not talk to any investigators about the incident and instead invoke constitutional rights, because anything you say can and will be used against you. Shepard would immediately request counsel.

Any lawyer worth their J.D. would have the case thrown out of court with ease.

I think it was said somewhere that it was just for working with Cerberus if you didn't do arrival.

No, the intro does not explain why Shepard is in custody if you have not done the dlc "Arrival".Anderson just said : "The **** you've done"! That's all and it is rather vague as an explanation!

[Jadebaby]

N7 Shadow Liara wrote...

No, the intro does not explain why Shepard is in custody if you have not done the dlc "Arrival".Anderson just said : "The **** you've done"! That's all and it is rather vague as an explanation!

I meant outside the game, I think I read a tweet from someone at BioWare saying "Yes, because of working for Cerberus, the game should have implied that."

Would be just really swell to get an official word on this.

[SpamBot2000]

I see people saying Arrival is 'not canon' a lot these days... did someone at BW actually make some sort of statement to that effect somewhere, or is this just a personal view?

[ElSuperGecko]

A personal view, I believe. Most likely because they never bought, downloaded and played it.

Which makes as much sense as saying "the events of Mass Effect 2 aren't canon because I never played it".