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[N7 Shadow Liara]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

N7 Shadow Liara wrote...

No, the intro does not explain why Shepard is in custody if you have not done the dlc "Arrival".Anderson just said : "The **** you've done"! That's all and it is rather vague as an explanation!

I meant outside the game, I think I read a tweet from someone at BioWare saying "Yes, because of working for Cerberus, the game should have implied that."

Would be just really swell to get an official word on this.

I don't know, but being compelled to go on twitter for an explanation, I find it a little weak from Bioware! Everyone does not have a twitter account and everyone does not go on the forums! All explanations should be in the game and not outside! Another proof of laziness on Bioware about ME3 besides the sloppy end!

[Pascal219]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

This is copy/pasted from page 1019 of the IT thread, Mark III.

BleedingUranium wrote...

Holycrapholycrapholycrap! Ideas! Puzzle Theory related breakthroughs! Banshee and I were talking, discussing IT, and I thought of something brilliant. Though these are all known pieces of evidence and such, I never thought of this until now.

Leviathan was August 28th, the last Tuesday of the month.

Omega is widely expected to be October 30th, due to several factors. Any later, and it would be on either the release of Halo 4, Black Ops 2, or immediately after their releases, which would be a terrible idea. We also have the Pumpkin in Vancouver, as well as dev comments that they're playing it right now and that it's amazing, so if it's not done now, it's very close.

"DLC 3", which may or may not be the Xen/Keeper DLC, has been announced to be released 1st Quarter 2013.

Since everything's on Tuesdays, Levi and Omega would be as close as you can get to 2 months apart, which is 9 weeks. Almost any time in 2013 is longer than 9 weeks from Omega, and that'd be a bit strange.

Oh, wait. Fireworks? Champagne? New Years DLC you say? Well, it just so happens that 9 weeks after Omega is... January 1st! Which just so happens to be? Technically 1st quarter 2013.


Still not sold? Well that's okay, there's more.

Remember Bioware stated they're working on a new Mass Effect game? As well, someone (I'm sorry, I can't remember who) was talking about the possibility of it being a "Mass Effect 3: Part 2", or, at any rate, an expansion big enough to be disc based. While I find this to be a cool idea, there's now more to it.

Leviathan. 9 weeks later? Halloween & Omega. 9 weeks later? New Years/Q1-2013 & "DLC 3". 9 weeks later?

March 5th. One year less a day from the launch of Mass Effect 3.

The next Mass Effect game won't feature Shepard as the playable character?
The game flags our choices at the end?
We should keep our saves?
The Rachni will play a huge role in the final battle with the Reapers?
No ABC endings?
No Reaper off switch?
"If you knew what we were planning you'd hold on to your copies forever"?

Personally, I think this would be amazing. Also don't forget the Valentine's day cake on the Vancouver base which might also suggest another dlc between the new years one and ME3's anniversary.

That would be amazing! Normally I don't really trust these theories but guess what?! Go back 9 weeks from leviathan's release date and you get June 26th. That's right, the release date of the extended cut!

[Jadebaby]

I agree 100%. I guess you felt the same way I did when I had to come to BSN to learn about Emily Wong's death?

[Jadebaby]

Pascal219 wrote...

That would be amazing! Normally I don't really trust these theories but guess what?! Go back 9 weeks from leviathan's release date and you get June 26th. That's right, the release date of the extended cut!

MIND = BLOWN!

[N7 Shadow Liara]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I agree 100%. I guess you felt the same way I did when I had to come to BSN to learn about Emily Wong's death?

Yep, I Thought WTF! Why they didn't  think it wise to include her death in the game? I know she was not a central figure in Mass Effect, but learn it like that, it's really a lack of respect for the players from Bioware!

I love your theory and the idea crossed my mind when I finished the game the first time, but i think unfortunately this is a utopia. Indeed, if it proves true, it would mean that only players who bought all the dlc have the right to have "true ending" and it would be unfair to other players! I do not think Bioware really planned anything of this sort!

Modifié par N7 Shadow Liara, 24 septembre 2012 - 02:27 .

[RainbowDazed]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

RainbowDazed wrote...

I think the refusal ending is good as it is. Only thing I'd add to it would be an epic Shepard speech about the catalyst being a messed up loon and that none of the options are good enough. This cycle was not ready to end the cycle, but the next cycle was. And they ended the cycle because of Shepard and the sacrifice this cycle made. The ultimate, hardcore sacrifice.

Which is also why it would stay as an ending. Just a low-EMS cut-off line as talked about in the OP.

Although the next cycle win, it is pretty much a "game-over" ending. Remember how people complained on release that you couldn't get a "total" loss, well with the unsuccessful refusal you now can.

Shepard already has an epic speech by the way. Which is what makes the "fade-to-black" loss, that much more jarring.

I get what you are saying, but I don't think the game needs an high-EMS refusal.

I don't think this cycle should be able to win the reapers with conventional methods. In my eyes refusal should mean choosing extinction. And I still wish this refusal would have a great speech. I understand that there has been a speech before, but this ending needs more pride in my opinion. Shepard could rave a bit about how the Catalyst is a fool if it thinks that this cycle will choose any of the choices it presents. These choices are not good enough and the catalyst certainly isn't feeling ready enough or threathened enough to make or present the right choice this time.Then the Catalyst could go all "So be it" on Shepard.

I also would enjoy a video which hammers down the impacts of this choice. Shepard bleeding out at the crucible, team-members dying. Liara escaping to a remote planet and maybe having Shepard's babies if you romanced her. Then either dying in hiding or being harvested by the reapers. That would have made a killer ending.

[Jadebaby]

RainbowDazed wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

RainbowDazed wrote...

I think the refusal ending is good as it is. Only thing I'd add to it would be an epic Shepard speech about the catalyst being a messed up loon and that none of the options are good enough. This cycle was not ready to end the cycle, but the next cycle was. And they ended the cycle because of Shepard and the sacrifice this cycle made. The ultimate, hardcore sacrifice.

Which is also why it would stay as an ending. Just a low-EMS cut-off line as talked about in the OP.

Although the next cycle win, it is pretty much a "game-over" ending. Remember how people complained on release that you couldn't get a "total" loss, well with the unsuccessful refusal you now can.

Shepard already has an epic speech by the way. Which is what makes the "fade-to-black" loss, that much more jarring.

I get what you are saying, but I don't think the game needs an high-EMS refusal.

I don't think this cycle should be able to win the reapers with conventional methods. In my eyes refusal should mean choosing extinction. And I still wish this refusal would have a great speech. I understand that there has been a speech before, but this ending needs more pride in my opinion. Shepard could rave a bit about how the Catalyst is a fool if it thinks that this cycle will choose any of the choices it presents. These choices are not good enough and the catalyst certainly isn't feeling ready enough or threathened enough to make or present the right choice this time.Then the Catalyst could go all "So be it" on Shepard.

I also would enjoy a video which hammers down the impacts of this choice. Shepard bleeding out at the crucible, team-members dying. Liara escaping to a remote planet and maybe having Shepard's babies if you romanced her. Then either dying in hiding or being harvested by the reapers. That would have made a killer ending.

Yea, killer ending is the right word alright, that would have killed me to no Shep bled out on the Citadel while Liara was on Planet Eden birthing her child/children. Damn that would kill me!

Can I ask why you don't feel like this cycle should be able to win against the Reapers with conventional methods?


When answering, REMEMBER; We now have Thannix technology AND the Leviathans, AND whatever other unconventional means we can pick up through dlcs. So why not?

The Protheans were hit by total surprise and lost the Citadel before they even knew a war was on, and that cycle's extinction lasted a couple of centuries... Even Javik's survival implies there was heavy resistence, and they were taken by surprise. Our cycle is the first cycle that the Reapers have had to face the galaxy head-on from the edges of the galaxy instead of Relaying through Widow System. That, in and of itself, should give us an edge over any cycle before us.

[Jadebaby]

N7 Shadow Liara wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I agree 100%. I guess you felt the same way I did when I had to come to BSN to learn about Emily Wong's death?

Yep, I Thought WTF! Why they didn't  think it wise to include her death in the game? I know she was not a central figure in Mass Effect, but learn it like that, it's really a lack of respect for the players from Bioware!

I love your theory and the idea crossed my mind when I finished the game the first time, but i think unfortunately this is a utopia. Indeed, if it proves true, it would mean that only players who bought all the dlc have the right to have "true ending" and it would be unfair to other players! I do not think Bioware really planned anything of this sort!

Not really unfair to other players, if they care enough they'll get the DLC. If they don't have INternet access, wait until the "ultimate edition" releases. Fact is, most people who baught Mass Effect 3 didn't even finish the campaign. I think it had a 43% finish rate. So I think the majority of players who are missing out are just the ones that don't care enough.

[N7 Shadow Liara]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

N7 Shadow Liara wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I agree 100%. I guess you felt the same way I did when I had to come to BSN to learn about Emily Wong's death?

Yep, I Thought WTF! Why they didn't  think it wise to include her death in the game? I know she was not a central figure in Mass Effect, but learn it like that, it's really a lack of respect for the players from Bioware!

I love your theory and the idea crossed my mind when I finished the game the first time, but i think unfortunately this is a utopia. Indeed, if it proves true, it would mean that only players who bought all the dlc have the right to have "true ending" and it would be unfair to other players! I do not think Bioware really planned anything of this sort!

Not really unfair to other players, if they care enough they'll get the DLC. If they don't have INternet access, wait until the "ultimate edition" releases. Fact is, most people who baught Mass Effect 3 didn't even finish the campaign. I think it had a 43% finish rate. So I think the majority of players who are missing out are just the ones that don't care enough.

Fair enough and I  really hope you're right ! Unfortunately, hope is all we have left!

[Jadebaby]

For the purpose of room, this thread I created could actually relate to the PT. So I will just link it here, recommend giving it a read..

http://social.biowar.../index/14232074

[Jadebaby]

N7 Shadow Liara wrote...

Fair enough and I  really hope you're right ! Unfortunately, hope is all we have left!

Much like Shepard and the crucible.

[Pascal219]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Pascal219 wrote...

That would be amazing! Normally I don't really trust these theories but guess what?! Go back 9 weeks from leviathan's release date and you get June 26th. That's right, the release date of the extended cut!

MIND = BLOWN!

I'm having hope again... I'm not sure I should do that, for fear of being disappointed again.

[Jadebaby]

Pascal219 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Pascal219 wrote...

That would be amazing! Normally I don't really trust these theories but guess what?! Go back 9 weeks from leviathan's release date and you get June 26th. That's right, the release date of the extended cut!

MIND = BLOWN!

I'm having hope again... I'm not sure I should do that, for fear of being disappointed again.

The only time I'm giving up is once BioWare turns their gaze away from Shepard's story.

This deluded level of optimism and faith is instilled by Shepard's story itself.

[RainbowDazed]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

RainbowDazed wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

RainbowDazed wrote...

I think the refusal ending is good as it is. Only thing I'd add to it would be an epic Shepard speech about the catalyst being a messed up loon and that none of the options are good enough. This cycle was not ready to end the cycle, but the next cycle was. And they ended the cycle because of Shepard and the sacrifice this cycle made. The ultimate, hardcore sacrifice.

Which is also why it would stay as an ending. Just a low-EMS cut-off line as talked about in the OP.

Although the next cycle win, it is pretty much a "game-over" ending. Remember how people complained on release that you couldn't get a "total" loss, well with the unsuccessful refusal you now can.

Shepard already has an epic speech by the way. Which is what makes the "fade-to-black" loss, that much more jarring.

I get what you are saying, but I don't think the game needs an high-EMS refusal.

I don't think this cycle should be able to win the reapers with conventional methods. In my eyes refusal should mean choosing extinction. And I still wish this refusal would have a great speech. I understand that there has been a speech before, but this ending needs more pride in my opinion. Shepard could rave a bit about how the Catalyst is a fool if it thinks that this cycle will choose any of the choices it presents. These choices are not good enough and the catalyst certainly isn't feeling ready enough or threathened enough to make or present the right choice this time.Then the Catalyst could go all "So be it" on Shepard.

I also would enjoy a video which hammers down the impacts of this choice. Shepard bleeding out at the crucible, team-members dying. Liara escaping to a remote planet and maybe having Shepard's babies if you romanced her. Then either dying in hiding or being harvested by the reapers. That would have made a killer ending.

Yea, killer ending is the right word alright, that would have killed me to no Shep bled out on the Citadel while Liara was on Planet Eden birthing her child/children. Damn that would kill me!

Can I ask why you don't feel like this cycle should be able to win against the Reapers with conventional methods?


When answering, REMEMBER; We now have Thannix technology AND the Leviathans, AND whatever other unconventional means we can pick up through dlcs. So why not?

The Protheans were hit by total surprise and lost the Citadel before they even knew a war was on, and that cycle's extinction lasted a couple of centuries... Even Javik's survival implies there was heavy resistence, and they were taken by surprise. Our cycle is the first cycle that the Reapers have had to face the galaxy head-on from the edges of the galaxy instead of Relaying through Widow System. That, in and of itself, should give us an edge over any cycle before us.

I don't any well argumented answer for you, I'm afraid. I just feel that this cycle was still caught with their pants down and in a state of galactic turmoil. Even though Shepard performed miracles, I just don't see it as being enough to oppose the Reaper threat. In my eyes the Reapers should present a threat so massive that winning them does not happen by conventional means. These are machines that have perfected themselves for millions of years. Millions. Of. Years. For an organic species to out-shadow these huge abominations in few millenniums would be just too much in my eyes.

Also, I feel that with choosing genocide Shepard makes the ultimate sacrifice to stop the Reapers. He's willing to sacrifice everything the set the galaxy straight. Sacrificing yourself is such an easy task; some dude in Israel did that already 2000 years ago. Sacrificing yourself and every sentient being in the galaxy takes she-balls (that came out so wrong). In my eyes Shepard was at the crucible because she had the guts to do what was necessary to stop the reaper threat - once and for all. And for my Shepard stopping the threat would mean admitting that our cycle was not yet ready to do so.

That said, I would be ok with the EMS effecting on the video that follows refusal. Maybe with a higher EMS score the harvest would take longer and reapers would suffer more significant losses. Maybe Liara would even have a better chance to perfect her notes and help the next cycle be even more prepared.

I'm sure my opinion is not the most popular one. I might even be the only ME-fan who thinks multi-species-genocide to be the best ending available, but this is my opinion and I firmly stand behind it.

[Pascal219]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Pascal219 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Pascal219 wrote...

That would be amazing! Normally I don't really trust these theories but guess what?! Go back 9 weeks from leviathan's release date and you get June 26th. That's right, the release date of the extended cut!

MIND = BLOWN!

I'm having hope again... I'm not sure I should do that, for fear of being disappointed again.

The only time I'm giving up is once BioWare turns their gaze away from Shepard's story.

This deluded level of optimism and faith is instilled by Shepard's story itself.

True enough. It's such an inspiring story and it got me through some of the most dark years of my life. Hell, I even have a tattoo! 

I want to have hope!

[ThaDPG]

RainbowDazed wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

RainbowDazed wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

RainbowDazed wrote...

I think the refusal ending is good as it is. Only thing I'd add to it would be an epic Shepard speech about the catalyst being a messed up loon and that none of the options are good enough. This cycle was not ready to end the cycle, but the next cycle was. And they ended the cycle because of Shepard and the sacrifice this cycle made. The ultimate, hardcore sacrifice.

Which is also why it would stay as an ending. Just a low-EMS cut-off line as talked about in the OP.

Although the next cycle win, it is pretty much a "game-over" ending. Remember how people complained on release that you couldn't get a "total" loss, well with the unsuccessful refusal you now can.

Shepard already has an epic speech by the way. Which is what makes the "fade-to-black" loss, that much more jarring.

I get what you are saying, but I don't think the game needs an high-EMS refusal.

I don't think this cycle should be able to win the reapers with conventional methods. In my eyes refusal should mean choosing extinction. And I still wish this refusal would have a great speech. I understand that there has been a speech before, but this ending needs more pride in my opinion. Shepard could rave a bit about how the Catalyst is a fool if it thinks that this cycle will choose any of the choices it presents. These choices are not good enough and the catalyst certainly isn't feeling ready enough or threathened enough to make or present the right choice this time.Then the Catalyst could go all "So be it" on Shepard.

I also would enjoy a video which hammers down the impacts of this choice. Shepard bleeding out at the crucible, team-members dying. Liara escaping to a remote planet and maybe having Shepard's babies if you romanced her. Then either dying in hiding or being harvested by the reapers. That would have made a killer ending.

Yea, killer ending is the right word alright, that would have killed me to no Shep bled out on the Citadel while Liara was on Planet Eden birthing her child/children. Damn that would kill me!

Can I ask why you don't feel like this cycle should be able to win against the Reapers with conventional methods?


When answering, REMEMBER; We now have Thannix technology AND the Leviathans, AND whatever other unconventional means we can pick up through dlcs. So why not?

The Protheans were hit by total surprise and lost the Citadel before they even knew a war was on, and that cycle's extinction lasted a couple of centuries... Even Javik's survival implies there was heavy resistence, and they were taken by surprise. Our cycle is the first cycle that the Reapers have had to face the galaxy head-on from the edges of the galaxy instead of Relaying through Widow System. That, in and of itself, should give us an edge over any cycle before us.

I don't any well argumented answer for you, I'm afraid. I just feel that this cycle was still caught with their pants down and in a state of galactic turmoil. Even though Shepard performed miracles, I just don't see it as being enough to oppose the Reaper threat. In my eyes the Reapers should present a threat so massive that winning them does not happen by conventional means. These are machines that have perfected themselves for millions of years. Millions. Of. Years. For an organic species to out-shadow these huge abominations in few millenniums would be just too much in my eyes.

Also, I feel that with choosing genocide Shepard makes the ultimate sacrifice to stop the Reapers. He's willing to sacrifice everything the set the galaxy straight. Sacrificing yourself is such an easy task; some dude in Israel did that already 2000 years ago. Sacrificing yourself and every sentient being in the galaxy takes she-balls (that came out so wrong). In my eyes Shepard was at the crucible because she had the guts to do what was necessary to stop the reaper threat - once and for all. And for my Shepard stopping the threat would mean admitting that our cycle was not yet ready to do so.

That said, I would be ok with the EMS effecting on the video that follows refusal. Maybe with a higher EMS score the harvest would take longer and reapers would suffer more significant losses. Maybe Liara would even have a better chance to perfect her notes and help the next cycle be even more prepared.

I'm sure my opinion is not the most popular one. I might even be the only ME-fan who thinks multi-species-genocide to be the best ending available, but this is my opinion and I firmly stand behind it.

That's the problem with these endings as they are now, the one with the best outcome still has Shepard committing genocide

[Jadebaby]

RainbowDazed wrote...

I don't any well argumented answer for you, I'm afraid. I just feel that this cycle was still caught with their pants down and in a state of galactic turmoil. Even though Shepard performed miracles, I just don't see it as being enough to oppose the Reaper threat. In my eyes the Reapers should present a threat so massive that winning them does not happen by conventional means. These are machines that have perfected themselves for millions of years. Millions. Of. Years. For an organic species to out-shadow these huge abominations in few millenniums would be just too much in my eyes.

Also, I feel that with choosing genocide Shepard makes the ultimate sacrifice to stop the Reapers. He's willing to sacrifice everything the set the galaxy straight. Sacrificing yourself is such an easy task; some dude in Israel did that already 2000 years ago. Sacrificing yourself and every sentient being in the galaxy takes she-balls (that came out so wrong). In my eyes Shepard was at the crucible because she had the guts to do what was necessary to stop the reaper threat - once and for all. And for my Shepard stopping the threat would mean admitting that our cycle was not yet ready to do so.

That said, I would be ok with the EMS effecting on the video that follows refusal. Maybe with a higher EMS score the harvest would take longer and reapers would suffer more significant losses. Maybe Liara would even have a better chance to perfect her notes and help the next cycle be even more prepared.

I'm sure my opinion is not the most popular one. I might even be the only ME-fan who thinks multi-species-genocide to be the best ending available, but this is my opinion and I firmly stand behind it.

And I highly respect you for it as trying to please everyone is what caused a lot of the problems with ME3.

However, one thing I might point out is that if the bolded and underlined part is to be taken as true, in that we can't defeat them physically, then shouldn't the same be applied for their mental/intellectual state also? In that Shepard shouldn't even be able to converse with the Catalyst because he is an entity that old that anything he says he could not say without a level of arrogance or ignorance? Rendering anything he does say into a sketchy kind of light?

Like, sure Shep had guts to make it to that platform. But like, does that just automatically mean that the Catalyst must lay out everything how it is and let Shepard decide the next step? A mere mortal? When the Catalyst is supposed to be a God?

[Jadebaby]

and I'm going all like, omg like. That's how I know when I'm really tired btw, coz I start talking like I'm in high-school again, like lol.


Goodnight BSN

[saintjimmy43]

Jade8aby88 wrote...


Like, sure Shep had guts to make it to that platform. But like, does that just automatically mean that the Catalyst must lay out everything how it is and let Shepard decide the next step? A mere mortal? When the Catalyst is supposed to be a God?

"The Crucible changed me, created new possibilities. But I can't make them happen."
I was like, if you're an all-powerful god baby who is now literally controlling every reaper, I'm sure you could walk over to the panel and hit the Esc button.

[RainbowDazed]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

And I highly respect you for it as trying to please everyone is what caused a lot of the problems with ME3.

However, one thing I might point out is that if the bolded and underlined part is to be taken as true, in that we can't defeat them physically, then shouldn't the same be applied for their mental/intellectual state also? In that Shepard shouldn't even be able to converse with the Catalyst because he is an entity that old that anything he says he could not say without a level of arrogance or ignorance? Rendering anything he does say into a sketchy kind of light?

Like, sure Shep had guts to make it to that platform. But like, does that just automatically mean that the Catalyst must lay out everything how it is and let Shepard decide the next step? A mere mortal? When the Catalyst is supposed to be a God?

The way I interpert that scene is that the Catalyst is itself looking for a solution that would break the cycle. And it feels that this is the first cycle that might be ready to change the future. It aknowledges Shepard precense (and maybe Shepard as an living being) as being enough for it to concider a change and is ready to present certain possible solutions to Shepard. But, the possibilites presented for a change are not yet in my eyes what Shepard set out to find. Maybe the Crucible was not as finished as it needs to be, maybe the Catalyst did not feel compelled enough to offer acceptable possiblities. I don't know. But the three options presented are not good enough.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Jade says goodnight. I say good morning.

And as saintjimmy said:"The Crucible changed me, created new possibilities. But I can't make them happen." in one option the Catalyst added this line "and I won't" which negates the "I can't make them happen." It could make them happen, it just doesn't want to. It just thinks it's a god.

The thing is insane. You are dealing with an insane, very flawed, AI that was created by stupid cuttlefish. While this thing is very old, I'd also suspect components of it aren't in the best of shape by this time. The keepers probably maintain it. NOS (new old stock) parts are probably getting really scarce, and they're probably using the best of the used parts by now. Eventually this thing is going to take a crap. It seems to be making more and more mistakes each cycle recently. Think about this before you choose control -- the machine is on its last legs.

Okay so the reapers have been around for a billion years give or take, right? They have taken losses during the wars. There I go again. "Is fire at war when it burns?" One may not think so, but the forest it is burning sure is at war against it, and the fire is expending energy to overcome the forest, and some of the older healthy and stronger trees survive.

So even during the older cycles they took losses of both capital ships and of destroyers. There aren't as many as we think. Yes they are very strong. They need to rely on tactics of isolating systems to win. We should have been able to win this. Our "DM" aka Bioware said "no, you can't because we want to do our 'pseudo-art out of nowhere' ending that leaves you feeling depressed. We don't want you to feel uplifted and victorious. You need to feel crushed and powerless."

Let's look at the "s*** you've done" Shepard, you know that vague response from Anderson...

* Saved the Council and gave humanity a seat of prestige in the galactic community.
* Saved human colonies from the Collectors and destroyed the Collector base. (with the full blessing of the Council and of you, Anderson)
* Turned a state of the art frigate with secret Turian weaponry and advanced Quarian shielding over to the Alliance.
* Installed an Alliance friendly operative as Shadow Broker.

And you're thrown in lockup as a civilian for this as a "thank you."

This is one of the big problems when they do something like they did. Walters and Hudson with an Artistic Director over them (ME2). Drew K with and Artistic Director over him (ME1). Remove the Artistic Director and we get "Star child". We get DLC like Arrival that really served no purpose other than to show what happens when a mass relay blows. We get a trial that gets yanked because they can't figure out how to make sense of it. We get a Priority Earth like we did. We get an ending like we did. And now we get the DLC to justify the ending. Fun times. I hope something more comes from the DLC other than stupid justification like a new ending that leaves the series on proper footing via puzzle theory. It's way past time for this for BW -- they should have done a Broken Steel type DLC in July instead of the EC and just admitted they f***ed up around March 14th.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 24 septembre 2012 - 06:24 .

[saintjimmy43]

That would be amazing! Normally I don't really trust these theories but guess what?! Go back 9 weeks from leviathan's release date and you get June 26th. That's right, the release date of the extended cut!

Who said that Mass effect 4 was Mass Effect 3: 2? I want to know where I can see that interview.

Modifié par saintjimmy43, 24 septembre 2012 - 11:19 .

[Jadebaby]

RainbowDazed wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

And I highly respect you for it as trying to please everyone is what caused a lot of the problems with ME3.

However, one thing I might point out is that if the bolded and underlined part is to be taken as true, in that we can't defeat them physically, then shouldn't the same be applied for their mental/intellectual state also? In that Shepard shouldn't even be able to converse with the Catalyst because he is an entity that old that anything he says he could not say without a level of arrogance or ignorance? Rendering anything he does say into a sketchy kind of light?

Like, sure Shep had guts to make it to that platform. But like, does that just automatically mean that the Catalyst must lay out everything how it is and let Shepard decide the next step? A mere mortal? When the Catalyst is supposed to be a God?

The way I interpert that scene is that the Catalyst is itself looking for a solution that would break the cycle. And it feels that this is the first cycle that might be ready to change the future. It aknowledges Shepard precense (and maybe Shepard as an living being) as being enough for it to concider a change and is ready to present certain possible solutions to Shepard. But, the possibilites presented for a change are not yet in my eyes what Shepard set out to find. Maybe the Crucible was not as finished as it needs to be, maybe the Catalyst did not feel compelled enough to offer acceptable possiblities. I don't know. But the three options presented are not good enough.

http://social.biowar...ndex/14222902/1

You should have a look at this thread, and for you other people browsing in here too. It's very interesting.

[RainbowDazed]

Thanks for the link, that was an interesting read. I think it was a well argumented theory and it really does undermine the problem with the current synthesis-option. We do not know what happens when choosing it. We have too little info to make a good choice.