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[Jadebaby]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Good theory tbh.

So good I put it in my sig, and that's sacred territory!

Thanks heaps!

I'm priveledged to be alongside Miranda and a Halo meme

[Jadebaby]

lol do you think there's a way I could make it any shorter? I'm sure a lot of people haven't shown their opinion on it because they see the Wall of Text and their eyes blow up.

[saintjimmy43]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

lol do you think there's a way I could make it any shorter? I'm sure a lot of people haven't shown their opinion on it because they see the Wall of Text and their eyes blow up.

"EC and Refuse Ending" section could probably be removed. The War Assets and EMS sections could be combined.

[CROAT_56]

@ Jade

I have this weeks message from hackett

Chris Priestly wrote...

From: Admiral Steven Hackett
Re: Operation PATRIOT
Confidentiality classification: XB-PRIME
Distribution: N7 Forces Only

Soldiers of the Milky Way –

Cerberus has been a thorn in our side since this war began. Thankfully, due to the overwhelming success of Operation PATRIOT, that pain has been greatly reduced. While it would be naïve to say that Cerberus won’t recover, it will take them time to rebuild--time we can use to focus on the Reapers.

Our teams destroyed a host of Atlas mechs, but that is just the tip of the iceberg. The drones we deployed captured Cerberus data detailing unusual Reaper movement and intelligence. Ballistic analyses and postmortem examinations conducted by Cerberus scientists confirm a new offensive strategy, and this Reaper intel will further our cause.

To the Operation PATRIOT squads: You represent the very best of your respective militaries. More than that, you represent the very best of our allied army as a whole. It is by trusting in the strengths of our allies that we will succeed. This galaxy belongs to all of us, and we will defend it together.

--Admiral Hackett

[Charles Rosemberg]

This actually sounds very clever and great!

[Jadebaby]

Thank you Croats. I do find the operation report interesting because even though we lost the last operation. We seemed to still get all the missing information out of those drones... This leads me to believe I've figured out how they are structuring the mp operations. But I'm out n about ATM. Will post a detailed response soon.. But if you think you can figure it out.. Your welcome to give it a shot!

Well done to anyone who participated in the op.

[Jadebaby]

"There, Earth.."

The writer saying. "hey, the *real* world..."
_________________________________

"I wish you could see it like I do Shepard."

The player doesn't know as much as the writer does about the ME3 plot.
_________________________________

"It's so... Perfect."

The writers have something up their sleaves, something *bigger* planned.
_________________________________

If it is to be taken this way.. Then it also explains why only the renegade players receive this speculative line. Can you guess? Because obviously being a renegade they are going to be more pissed off at BioWare than the paragon players, maybe that's an over-generalization. But what I mean is that the renegade player would be less inclined to put up with pseudo-intellectual crap and would probably just start throwing chairs through Edmonton's windows or something. Therefore leaving extra lines like this in for the more "harder" players is a good incentive. Agreed?

[3DandBeyond]

It makes you wonder what it is TIM sees when he looks at Earth-perfect is how the kid sees things, what they inevitably become. When TIM says that, he's looking at Earth under attack and saying it's perfect. WTH. It's like looking at a train wreck and seeing beauty.

And, why do most indoctrinated people think they can control the reapers. If synthesis is desired (I don't believe it's the real goal at all for the writers), then why not indoctrinate people to believe that synthesis is great, why further the idea of control?

What I'm getting at is something that seems to indicate 2 different factions at work within all of this. There's so much contradiction that it's like a split personality. There's what Leviathan says, that contradicted what the kid said, until the Leviathans once again (sort of) assert their presence. Then, the kid's dialogue changes.

It brings to mind a lot of unanswered questions. Liara's gift. It can't be a baby, because she offers it if you are just friends. Is there information there of importance or is that more ambiguity?

I'm probably not helping because I'm really just asking questions, but I can't help but feel this is all like some unfinished conversation.

[Jadebaby]

No, as long as your putting your thoughts into words, that helps No matter what form the writing is in.

The Liara's Gift thing is a good bit of speculation. Though because Weekes had to "fight" to get the squadmate goodbyes I don't think any of them can work into the wider plot. Plus, Liara's gift is her sharing *her* memories with you. If it were the other way around, or an even exchange, then it could be argued that might be where Liara picks up if something is wrong with Shepard's mind lol.

[3DandBeyond]

I think what I was getting at with TIM and his view of the Earth is that he's been indoctrinated and in my game with a paragon Shepard (and I have to shoot him) he sees that chaos as perfect.

As to the point that the reapers are acting differently (I think what the Operations have been showing), well the Leviathans are maybe on the move. What figured prominently in Leviathan? The underwater mech scene. So, the last operation involved destroying mechs? I'm beginning to think all N7 operations are indoctrinated or enthralled ones. But, it's maybe pointing to what will take place in Omega. It's likely a fight with Cerberus and becomes a fight for control, with perhaps pseudo-synthesized indoctrinated Collectors.

Which leads me to another thought-to add to my previous one. Indoctrination seems to end up with people thinking they can control the reapers. I think indoctrination is in part a failure. I think the Collectors and Saren and even TIM indicate what indoctrination attempts to do-synthesis. But it creates people that think they can control. And I think we might see more Collectors, but since Harbinger relinquished control, is it possible they will be autonomous Collectors?

Modifié par 3DandBeyond, 26 septembre 2012 - 03:19 .

[Jadebaby]

Unfortunately it's never that cut and dry with control. Saren wanted harmony with Reapers, not control. The reason TIM wanted control is because the Reaper indoctrination manifested into his personality to want to "be" in control of everything, see: evolution and his pro-human stance on galactic society.

Just digging up old information.

From: Admiral Steven Hackett
Re: Operation MASTIFF
Confidentiality classification: XB-PRIME
Distribution: N7 Forces Only
Soldiers of the Milky Way –

I am pleased to announce that Operation MASTIFF worked as planned, and given its scope, that is no small accomplishment. Vorcha and allied reinforcements have landed on nearly all of the occupied homeworlds, in sufficient numbers to allow us to extract important data about Reaper invasion tactics. The next time the Reapers try to take a homeworld, they will find us ready and waiting.

As for the status of the resistance on these planets, we remain hopeful. Every time a processing center is bombed, every time a detention camp is liberated, we delay the Reapers and give organics time to regroup. This breathing room is essential to win the long war, and to give hope to the galaxy at large. If you want to see an immediate consequence of this success, I suggest visiting your quartermaster – the supply chain has been secured, and they’ve brought a few things you might like.

Well done.

--Admiral Hackett

This confirms that the Earth dlc did not mark the start of the invasion as I had predicted. THE MORE YOU KNOW!

[Jadebaby]

okay, so I'm thinking about restructuring this theory a bit..

My thoughts,

Remove everything about Refuse and put it into a new sub-heading called "Ways it could be resolved."

In it I could also incorporate other theories such as Indoctrination Theory, Winter Nights Theory, a Successful Refuse and an "enhanced" crucible ending.

That would leave the base of the theory to focus primarily on SP and MP dlc and the MP operations affecting the outcome of "Ways it could play out."

thoughts?

[KENNY4753]

That could work. That way people won't think that PT is just about a conventional victory/refuse.

I like the idea of incorporating all different theories into this. btw what is Winter Nights Theory exactly?

[Jadebaby]

It's a theory that umm... Sorry it's called the Waking Nightmare theory.. A friend named TJBartlemus made it. It's an IT spin-off.

http://social.biowar...ndex/14257179/1

I'm going to bed, but I'm posting this here, let's see if anyone can guess the hidden piece of speculation in here...

[KENNY4753]

Oh it's an IT spin-off.

Zero idea on what speculation you mean. Stop teasing us Jade!!! 

and GoodNight 

Modifié par KENNY4753, 26 septembre 2012 - 05:09 .

[MAF1994]

http://social.biowar...ndex/14248272/2

Sorry, guys but Chris says: "There are no more endings to ME3. Casey and the development team have said this multiple times now. The Extended Cut is the end of the endings.

While the Retake movement can hope for them on their Facebook page or similar, they won't be advertised here as they will not happen and I do not want fans thinking they will."

I hate to say but...i think that this don't keep much hope for the future DLC or PT.

(do not get me wrong, i love the Puzzle Theory, but the evidence against it are too many...)

[Jadebaby]

Okay, what I can gather from this is that "new ending" became a very loose term that can be taken to mean something it doesn't. In the sense of RetakeME3. It means "get out, put new in". BioWare just aren't going to do that, nor is that what the Puzzle Theory is about.

By the Puzzle Theories definition of what is happening, there would be nothing "new" about this ending as it would have been the plan all along.

A note to Retake people (should you actually read this)

If BioWare did plan for something like the PT, they are not trying to milk gamers nor have they sold a game without an ending.

People who casually play Mass Effect games or don't know much about the lore have become satisfied with the endings currently presented. Even some hardcore Mass Effect fans have as well.

The only way they would have sold a game without an ending, is if they left out Priority Earth and everything after for DLC. The A, B, C endings are still just that, endings.

Also, I think who Retake should really be mad at is whoever is responsible for the microtransactions aspect of Multiplayer. Because without that, the idea of the PT and MP influencing SP could be viewed a lot more genuinely.

I do hope you continue to support it MAF1994, but I will not try to persuade you anymore than what is in this post.

[SpamBot2000]

You know, I'd like to hear a reliable source say that once and for all. But who is there?

Edit: @MAF1994, ninja'd by Jade.

Further Edit: By which I don't mean that would be the message I'd prefer... but it would be at least some closure.

Modifié par SpamBot2000, 26 septembre 2012 - 05:53 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

3DandBeyond wrote...

It makes you wonder what it is TIM sees when he looks at Earth-perfect is how the kid sees things, what they inevitably become. When TIM says that, he's looking at Earth under attack and saying it's perfect. WTH. It's like looking at a train wreck and seeing beauty.

And, why do most indoctrinated people think they can control the reapers. If synthesis is desired (I don't believe it's the real goal at all for the writers), then why not indoctrinate people to believe that synthesis is great, why further the idea of control?

What I'm getting at is something that seems to indicate 2 different factions at work within all of this. There's so much contradiction that it's like a split personality. There's what Leviathan says, that contradicted what the kid said, until the Leviathans once again (sort of) assert their presence. Then, the kid's dialogue changes.

It brings to mind a lot of unanswered questions. Liara's gift. It can't be a baby, because she offers it if you are just friends. Is there information there of importance or is that more ambiguity?

Then Liara after the gift says something odd. You're bondmates. She says, "this is goodbye." What the f***? Liara, don't quit on me. Is this another glitch? Is this another case of amnesia? Thanks Casey.

I'm probably not helping because I'm really just asking questions, but I can't help but feel this is all like some unfinished conversation.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Here's the correct link for Waking Nightmare Theory. Jade obviously was tired.

Waking Nightmare Theory

[MAF1994]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Okay, what I can gather from this is that "new ending" became a very loose term that can be taken to mean something it doesn't. In the sense of RetakeME3. It means "get out, put new in". BioWare just aren't going to do that, nor is that what the Puzzle Theory is about.

By the Puzzle Theories definition of what is happening, there would be nothing "new" about this ending as it would have been the plan all along.

A note to Retake people (should you actually read this)

If BioWare did plan for something like the PT, they are not trying to milk gamers nor have they sold a game without an ending.

People who casually play Mass Effect games or don't know much about the lore have become satisfied with the endings currently presented. Even some hardcore Mass Effect fans have as well.

The only way they would have sold a game without an ending, is if they left out Priority Earth and everything after for DLC. The A, B, C endings are still just that, endings.

Also, I think who Retake should really be mad at is whoever is responsible for the microtransactions aspect of Multiplayer. Because without that, the idea of the PT and MP influencing SP could be viewed a lot more genuinely.

I do hope you continue to support it MAF1994, but I will not try to persuade you anymore than what is in this post.

I'm sorry, Jade, I didn't want to upset you, I just wanted to say that bioware seems to be very resistant about their "no more endings after the EC". Hudson and all Bioware team have certainly understood that fans want something more from DLC, but seems that despite this, they want "Hold the line" (ironically) about their original ideas, and that is leave things exactly as they are after the EC. Leviathan should be an example...
I know that the PT no mean "new ending", but "another ending"     
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They can do that and lose "other" half of their fans, or make a step back and give us some like the PT.

The choice is theirs, and we can only hope for the future...

I will continue support the PT, because is RIGHT and i like that, but it's not wrong look at things a little more cynical.
Prevents strong disappointment (original ME3 teaches.)
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[MAF1994]

*Sorry for the last part in Italian, I did not noticed when i published the post. :-P

[RydeCrash]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

No, as long as your putting your thoughts into words, that helps No matter what form the writing is in.

The Liara's Gift thing is a good bit of speculation. Though because Weekes had to "fight" to get the squadmate goodbyes I don't think any of them can work into the wider plot. Plus, Liara's gift is her sharing *her* memories with you. If it were the other way around, or an even exchange, then it could be argued that might be where Liara picks up if something is wrong with Shepard's mind lol.

I have read several opinions from forum members ranging from the way Asari get pregnant to her putting Shepard into a dream state. 
 
My interpretation is it will be clarified and expanded on with a future DLC. Much like a flash back, but it is only filled once the DLC happens.
 
Just a thought.
 
Ryde…