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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

@MAF1994: I support Jade, but given what Chris and others have posted I don't know if this is going to happen in ME3. I don't think it is.

They may pull something else on us. There have been a lot of changes at Bioware. Walters isn't going to be lead on this project anymore. I don't know if Hudson is going to be Producer or Director on this (I hope to god not), but I'm suspecting the ending of ME3 is a cliffhanger. The Final Hours program said "Matrix Reloaded" ending -- that's the gasp. That's the cliffhanger. Something isn't right.

This situation might not be rectified until ME4.

[cbutz]

I support this, I mean each event shows us getting more intel , tactics, supplies etc. Doesn't mean they will do this.

[Cmdr. Ken Shepard]

Aren't we beating a dead horse on these theories?

While I grow tired of all these made up theories, this one at least makes more sense than indoctrination theory. So congrats on that, and at least this one is coherent.

Pretty sure Bioware will give you the ole' "wish in one hand..." speech.

[KENNY4753]

 As much as I love your Puzzle Theory Jade, this is how I feel

https://encrypted-tb...V_xNwzRIM5WeV9A

[Jadebaby]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

@MAF1994: I support Jade, but given what Chris and others have posted I don't know if this is going to happen in ME3. I don't think it is.

They may pull something else on us. There have been a lot of changes at Bioware. Walters isn't going to be lead on this project anymore. I don't know if Hudson is going to be Producer or Director on this (I hope to god not), but I'm suspecting the ending of ME3 is a cliffhanger. The Final Hours program said "Matrix Reloaded" ending -- that's the gasp. That's the cliffhanger. Something isn't right.

This situation might not be rectified until ME4.

I'm inclined to believe this too. It fits that there will be no more new endings, but it also fits with them letting all these theories go on. Because it's not to theorize that they will happen through a dlc. But that they will happen in ME4.

It also gives credence to "one more story".

If ME4 isn't Shepard though, and the last breath scene is all the love this protagonist gets after 5 long years (7 for BioWare). Then that really is just disgusting and I will never trust BioWare with my emotions again.

[WhiteKnyght]

I sincerely doubt this. I once suggested the possibility, but I'm inclined to believe Bioware when they say they are done working on the endings.(They poured a lot of time, money, and resources into giving us a free extension and a lot of people just spat in their faces for it. I wouldn't give people like that anything else.)

The three choices work just fine. The war ends, people get to survive, and each choice is geared toward a different type of player.

Those who don't view synthetics as much or want Shepard to live for whatever reason go with Destroy.

Those who see their player character as a guardian who protects the innocent at all cost choose Control.

Those who believe in technological/cultural advancement and progress, or want to make things better for synthetics who are targets of prejudice(by both organics and the Reapers) would pick Synthesis.

Refusal is a silly choice only added because the fans asked for it. Jokes on you, because the next Cycle builds the Crucible and actually uses it, and they're better off for it.

Modifié par The Grey Nayr, 27 septembre 2012 - 07:09 .

[Jadebaby]

I'd also like to point out Julia that it wasn't end of Matrix Reloaded. It was end of FIRST matrix and Brave New World. Now, I haven't seen BNW but I know very well what happens at the end of the First Matrix.

Neo gets shot and dies. But then comes back to life.

Shepard story isn't over I believe. It can't be.

[Jadebaby]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

I sincerely doubt this. I once suggested the possibility, but I'm inclined to believe Bioware when they say they are done working on the endings.(They poured a lot of time, money, and resources into giving us a free extension and a lot of people just spat in their faces for it. I wouldn't give people like that anything else.)

The three choices work just fine. The war ends, people get to survive, and each choice is geared toward a different type of player.

Those who don't view synthetics as much or want Shepard to live for whatever reason go with Destroy.

Those who see their player character as a guardian who protects the innocent at all cost choose Control.

Those who believe in technological/cultural advancement and progress, or want to make things better for synthetics who are targets of prejudice(by both organics and the Reapers) would pick Synthesis.

Refusal is a silly choice only added because the fans asked for it. Jokes on you, because the next Cycle builds the Crucible and actually uses it, and they're better off for it.

Sorry but this is all just opinion. I view my Shepard as a guadian who protects the innocent at all costs and I would NEVER choose control. It is ****ing disgusting. Shepard isn't sacrificing themselves they are commiting suicide. And letting their "spirit form" be uploaded as apart of the Reapers for all eternity. That's disgusting.

Everything you said in your post is all just opinion. Just as mine is. Difference is, I know it.

[Jadebaby]

Posting this here for anyone who hasn't seen it.

Casey Hudson's notepad (I beleive) from the Final Hours app about writing the endings.

If you look close enough. You will see that whether it happens in ME3 dlc. Or a ME4. Shepard's story isn't over yet.


http://i.imgur.com/1vIS8.png

I'm off to play DAO ultimate edition. Because I hear it actually has an ending that doesn't make you want to kill yourself.

[MAF1994]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Posting this here for anyone who hasn't seen it.

Casey Hudson's notepad (I beleive) from the Final Hours app about writing the endings.

If you look close enough. You will see that whether it happens in ME3 dlc. Or a ME4. Shepard's story isn't over yet.


http://i.imgur.com/1vIS8.png

I'm off to play DAO ultimate edition. Because I hear it actually has an ending that doesn't make you want to kill yourself.

Well, to be honest there are a couple of things that, maybe, contradict your hopes:

1) This notepad was made ​​several months before the creation of the ending, contains only a few "sketches" of what would have been the final ending that we've got at March. In that period of time, they would have change many things from the "alpha" version.
2) At the bottom of the foil there is in large letters: "LOTS SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE". This is the final result of all the reasoning in the notepad. Even if they leave something for the DLC, the final result will be the same: an ending like "The Matrix" (SPOILER: Neo fly away after the final call, where He promises that he will do everything necessary to resolve the "problem" of Matrix) this was already an end on its own, and if the Watchosky brothers would not have continued the saga, would have remained a perfect: ""LOTS SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE". Maybe this is the analogy that Casey did with the film. He clearly want (or at least wanted) a fan situation like "The Matrix" ending, but has exaggerated in the concept and in the end he has done everything wrong. The Matrix ending it's F**ing epic, even for a cliffhanger; ME3 ending it's unclear and make absolutely no sense (the original). The EC it was a must. Period.

3 and last thing) CASEY LOVE THE SPECULATIONS!!!  HAS ADMITTED HIMSELF!! There is a chance out of a hundred that he has changed his mind in these months. Like i said before: even if this situation could lead them to the ruin, Bioware and Casey will not change their minds because of the principle.

Sometimes it's too hard admit their mistakes...

[KENNY4753]

The Grey Nayr wrote...

Those who don't view synthetics as much or want Shepard to live for whatever reason go with Destroy.

Those who see their player character as a guardian who protects the innocent at all cost choose Control.

I don't agree with most of your post but on these 2 points specifically. 

Starting with destroy. I didn't care if Shepard lived and I loved synthetics (EDI, Legion) but the reason I picked destroy was because that was the goal throughout the whole trilogy. No where in the previous games did Shepard agree that control was the right choice or that synthesis was the answer but that the Reapers needed to be destroyed.

Now with Control. I believe my Shepard was a gurdian and protect innocents but that doesn't make me choose control. Control is just wrong. One minute earlier you have the scene with TIM and argued that Control was wrong, and Anderson dies saying you made him proud. I'm sorry but choosing Control or Synthesis after that is just a d*** move IMO.

These are just some of my opinions on your statement

[saintjimmy43]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Posting this here for anyone who hasn't seen it.

Casey Hudson's notepad (I beleive) from the Final Hours app about writing the endings.

If you look close enough. You will see that whether it happens in ME3 dlc. Or a ME4. Shepard's story isn't over yet.


http://i.imgur.com/1vIS8.png

I'm off to play DAO ultimate edition. Because I hear it actually has an ending that doesn't make you want to kill yourself.

Lol, but you DO kill yourself at the ending.

[darthoptimus003]

the ending sucks it needs to be fixed PERIOD

[XXIceColdXX]

darthoptimus003 wrote...

the ending sucks it needs to be fixed PERIOD

Sure does, we need Bioware to forget about this artistic integrity crap and fix this mess.

[Jadebaby]

MAF1994 wrote...

Well, to be honest there are a couple of things that, maybe, contradict your hopes:

1) This notepad was made ​​several months before the creation of the ending, contains only a few "sketches" of what would have been the final ending that we've got at March. In that period of time, they would have change many things from the "alpha" version.

The time it took them to make the EC, I can't believe the script changed that much. Plus, if it had the notepad itself wouldn't have applied and therefore wouldn't have been in the final hours app.

2) At the bottom of the foil there is in large letters: "LOTS SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE". This is the final result of all the reasoning in the notepad.

With this, it also works if you start at the bottom and work your way to the top. Leaving "sign of hope" then "Shepard Alive!" As the finished result.

 

Even if they leave something for the DLC, the final result will be the same: an ending like "The Matrix" (SPOILER: Neo fly away after the final call, where He promises that he will do everything necessary to resolve the "problem" of Matrix) this was already an end on its own, and if the Watchosky brothers would not have continued the saga, would have remained a perfect: ""LOTS SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE". Maybe this is the analogy that Casey did with the film. He clearly want (or at least wanted) a fan situation like "The Matrix" ending, but has exaggerated in the concept and in the end he has done everything wrong. The Matrix ending it's F**ing epic, even for a cliffhanger; ME3 ending it's unclear and make absolutely no sense (the original). The EC it was a must. Period.

No, the part of the ending I think he means is before that. When Neo is shot and dies. That is where Casey has ended ME3. Leaving the part where Shepard wakes up and kicks the Reapers asses for dlc. Whether that be symbolically with PT and not having the pieces TO kick their ass. Or whether it be more literal in IT. I think this is the part he means. Also, has anyone seen Brave New World that can make a comparison on that?

3 and last thing) CASEY LOVE THE SPECULATIONS!!!  HAS ADMITTED HIMSELF!! There is a chance out of a hundred that he has changed his mind in these months. Like i said before: even if this situation could lead them to the ruin, Bioware and Casey will not change their minds because of the principle.

Sometimes it's too hard admit their mistakes...

OR, because there is something *bigger* in the works. They don't feel they've made a mistake. If there was something bigger in the works and I was in the know. I, too, wouldn't think they'd made any mistakes either.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

MAF1994 wrote...

Well, to be honest there are a couple of things that, maybe, contradict your hopes:

1) This notepad was made ​​several months before the creation of the ending, contains only a few "sketches" of what would have been the final ending that we've got at March. In that period of time, they would have change many things from the "alpha" version.

The time it took them to make the EC, I can't believe the script changed that much. Plus, if it had the notepad itself wouldn't have applied and therefore wouldn't have been in the final hours app.

2) At the bottom of the foil there is in large letters: "LOTS SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE". This is the final result of all the reasoning in the notepad.

With this, it also works if you start at the bottom and work your way to the top. Leaving "sign of hope" then "Shepard Alive!" As the finished result.

 

Even if they leave something for the DLC, the final result will be the same: an ending like "The Matrix" (SPOILER: Neo fly away after the final call, where He promises that he will do everything necessary to resolve the "problem" of Matrix) this was already an end on its own, and if the Watchosky brothers would not have continued the saga, would have remained a perfect: ""LOTS SPECULATION FROM EVERYONE". Maybe this is the analogy that Casey did with the film. He clearly want (or at least wanted) a fan situation like "The Matrix" ending, but has exaggerated in the concept and in the end he has done everything wrong. The Matrix ending it's F**ing epic, even for a cliffhanger; ME3 ending it's unclear and make absolutely no sense (the original). The EC it was a must. Period.

No, the part of the ending I think he means is before that. When Neo is shot and dies. That is where Casey has ended ME3. Leaving the part where Shepard wakes up and kicks the Reapers asses for dlc. Whether that be symbolically with PT and not having the pieces TO kick their ass. Or whether it be more literal in IT. I think this is the part he means. Also, has anyone seen Brave New World that can make a comparison on that?

3 and last thing) CASEY LOVE THE SPECULATIONS!!!  HAS ADMITTED HIMSELF!! There is a chance out of a hundred that he has changed his mind in these months. Like i said before: even if this situation could lead them to the ruin, Bioware and Casey will not change their minds because of the principle.

Sometimes it's too hard admit their mistakes...

OR, because there is something *bigger* in the works. They don't feel they've made a mistake. If there was something bigger in the works and I was in the know. I, too, wouldn't think they'd made any mistakes either.

This is why no more work on the endings. This is not the ending. We have their creators, the Leviathans, to deal with now. Shepard is the only one who knows about them, and Shepard has to Wake Up.

That's what that breath is about.

Sorry synth and control people. Brave New World and Atlas Shrugged isn't the answer.

Wake    Up    Shepard.

[AresKeith]

I think Cerberus is getting lazy lol http://social.biowar...7001/1#14277058

[Jadebaby]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

This is why no more work on the endings. This is not the ending. We have their creators, the Leviathans, to deal with now. Shepard is the only one who knows about them, and Shepard has to Wake Up.

That's what that breath is about.

Sorry synth and control people. Brave New World and Atlas Shrugged isn't the answer.

Wake    Up    Shepard.

So you have seen Brave New World?

Could you give me a rundown of what it's about and some of the comparisons that could fit?

[Epique Phael767]

A successful refuse would be the only thing to salvage this game in my opinion, and it had better be an epic opne at that. One that completely undoes all of  the facepalming of the past 6 months.

[Jadebaby]

personally, I hope it's a successful refuse that still varies based upon EMS, but I think that's asking FAR too much. Or hoping for such anyway.

[Iakus]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

This is why no more work on the endings. This is not the ending. We have their creators, the Leviathans, to deal with now. Shepard is the only one who knows about them, and Shepard has to Wake Up.

That's what that breath is about.

Sorry synth and control people. Brave New World and Atlas Shrugged isn't the answer.

Wake    Up    Shepard.

So you have seen Brave New World?

Could you give me a rundown of what it's about and some of the comparisons that could fit?

Brave New World was a novel by Aldous Huxley in teh 1930s.  It's not a happy story

in fact, it was downright dystopian.  So using it to describe ME3's endings is...curious...to say the least.

Modifié par iakus, 28 septembre 2012 - 04:16 .

[Jadebaby]

iakus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

This is why no more work on the endings. This is not the ending. We have their creators, the Leviathans, to deal with now. Shepard is the only one who knows about them, and Shepard has to Wake Up.

That's what that breath is about.

Sorry synth and control people. Brave New World and Atlas Shrugged isn't the answer.

Wake    Up    Shepard.

So you have seen Brave New World?

Could you give me a rundown of what it's about and some of the comparisons that could fit?

Brave New World was a novel by Aldous Huxley in teh 1930s.  It's not a happy story

in fact, it was downright dystopian.  So using it to describe ME3's endings is...curious...to say the least.

I can't find any comparisons other than "torching the franchise and running"... Anyone else find any comparisons I might have missed?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

iakus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

This is why no more work on the endings. This is not the ending. We have their creators, the Leviathans, to deal with now. Shepard is the only one who knows about them, and Shepard has to Wake Up.

That's what that breath is about.

Sorry synth and control people. Brave New World and Atlas Shrugged isn't the answer.

Wake    Up    Shepard.

So you have seen Brave New World?

Could you give me a rundown of what it's about and some of the comparisons that could fit?

Brave New World was a novel by Aldous Huxley in teh 1930s.  It's not a happy story

in fact, it was downright dystopian.  So using it to describe ME3's endings is...curious...to say the least.

"Brave New World" was used to describe Synthesis in "The Final Hours." It is not a happy ending. You do notice the people are not cheering when it happens in the EC.

Control is a fascist dream which is why I used "Atlas Shrugged".

Wake   Up    Shepard.  --->  Mass Effect 4 .... I think we'll play as Shepard for a short time in ME4. I think that's when the rescue happens. I think there will be a reunion with the Normandy crew, and a debriefing about the Leviathans. I think that's the next one, but they're not going to be the big baddie immediately, but Shepard is in serious need of R&R of the white picket fence, house on the homeworld, blue babies kind. So once the debriefing is done, Shepard is going to be done, and it's new character time. I would not object.

Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

[Jadebaby]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

iakus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

This is why no more work on the endings. This is not the ending. We have their creators, the Leviathans, to deal with now. Shepard is the only one who knows about them, and Shepard has to Wake Up.

That's what that breath is about.

Sorry synth and control people. Brave New World and Atlas Shrugged isn't the answer.

Wake    Up    Shepard.

So you have seen Brave New World?

Could you give me a rundown of what it's about and some of the comparisons that could fit?

Brave New World was a novel by Aldous Huxley in teh 1930s.  It's not a happy story

in fact, it was downright dystopian.  So using it to describe ME3's endings is...curious...to say the least.

"Brave New World" was used to describe Synthesis in "The Final Hours." It is not a happy ending. You do notice the people are not cheering when it happens in the EC.

Control is a fascist dream which is why I used "Atlas Shrugged".

Wake   Up    Shepard.  --->  Mass Effect 4 .... I think we'll play as Shepard for a short time in ME4. I think that's when the rescue happens. I think there will be a reunion with the Normandy crew, and a debriefing about the Leviathans. I think that's the next one, but they're not going to be the big baddie immediately, but Shepard is in serious need of R&R of the white picket fence, house on the homeworld, blue babies kind. So once the debriefing is done, Shepard is going to be done, and it's new character time. I would not object.

Just my opinion. I could be wrong.

That'd be awesome!

[Fedi.St]

KENNY4753 wrote...

 As much as I love your Puzzle Theory Jade, this is how I feel

https://encrypted-tb...V_xNwzRIM5WeV9A

baby he is right. It's a great way of going forward but one thing bioware established is their STUBBORNESS about the issue.