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[Jadebaby]

Tipsyfresh wrote...

Binary_Helix 1 wrote...

You're not the first person to propose this. Several others did long before you but hopefully you're not in it for the glory.

So informative, was this comment really needed? Because several others have made comments like this long before u.

It's okay, I didn't take it offense in anyway, I've seen her/him post before and we usually agree with one another on most things, so we there hasn't been any tension there (as far as I know). Besides, it only makes her/him look kind of silly. What glory is there to be had on an internet forum?

Ok on topic: the Mp timeline is a really good/ interesting point. Yet how does this fit in with rebellion dlc or the ops that happened during those other dlc releases?  I'm not saying this to counter your point, instead I'd like to know ur thoughts on the other events.

 
I believe that the MP dlc's could be related to the SP story by Hacket recruiting different soldiers from different races to take on new operations in uncharted territory [Firebase Hydra etc...] The early dlc's, therefore, don't stand to contribute to the SP in a significant manner, other than building alliances and support to tackle the Reapers.

I did notice that Hackett's memo was exponentially more engaging for overwatch Tho.  More importantly, that'd be waay lame if us ps3ers got shafted from the game experience the OP describes since Sony stonewalled the operations for months.  So the mp timeline couldn't play too big a role ( also consider the lack of players for mp, would only the people that visit these forums or play mp ever get the full experience bioware intended).

This is fairly difficult to tackle, but I'll give it a shot.

Okay, so if the MP operation did impact the SP, the people who don't participate in them, aren't missing out on the effect it would have on SP, because at the end of the day, that SP content would come in the form of dlc, that would be available for everyone to purchase.

PS3 players would obviously have a difficult time participating, but it wouldn't matter as I've already mentioned. Also, the MP timeline and operations aren't the only thing contributing to the SP experience in this theory, it is also SP dlc, in itself (ala Leviathan etc..).

A response could be that bioware just needed time to get whatever(dlc, mp, pr) together and now the timeline is at the "story level". But you may have something better to say OP if i have I warranted a response...

No, I think that they just wanted to build up the MP experience, starting off with recruiting new allies and forging new weapons etc.. Then when the SP content is ready to be released they would start building the MP timeline up to the end of the SP timeline. Basically, I don't believe it's a coincidence that operation: Earth and Leviathan are happening close to one another. Hell, the operation happening right now is Operation Olympus. Could it possibly suggest that is because in Leviathan Shepard will be travelling to the home of a God?

May continue this post but great job OP and team.

Thank you

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 12 août 2012 - 11:01 .

[estebanus]

This theory is pretty awesome. Nice work!

[Massa FX]

I like this theory. If players don't have to contribute time towards MP to ensure a victory ending. Being forced to play MP rubs this RPG'er the wrong way.

[Jadebaby]

Thanks estebanus, I just can't wait for Leviathan so I can add/adjust the theory accordingly! =)

Hopefully it doesn't wreck it too much lol.

@Massa FX, yes, I am one of those people. I never played Mass Effect for the combat and even though ME1 combat was jarring, it never made me stop playing the game. What does make me stop playing games, is terrible stories and/or abandonment of previously established themes and/or lore.

[Conniving_Eagle]

The PT deserves more fans

I wonder if we'll succeed in this week's MP operation. They were going to release an update yesterday, but they didn't do it on time (I haven't checked if they did at all). I wonder if it's because the numbers for the Allied Goal are so underwhelmingly low that people would give up, but that's just me being cynical. I'll be bummed though, I completed over 12 Gold games yesterday.

[Tipsyfresh]

Thanks for responding Jade8! I think you ur right, the initial MP add-ons/eents can be seen as building support and familiarity for the players. That way the later-stage, deeper level MP events could be slipped right in (plus I don't think the timing for leviathan is a coincidence either jade8).

The ps3 problem with the early events wasnt that big a deal, as you note, and neither is the dwindling numbers of MP players. BUT if bioware wants to provide an immersive experience like this yet doesn't know if their efforts are being enjoyed by us then it seems they are taking a big risk ( financially and player/fan base) . That's even if the dlc is released, right now I'm not gonna buy it(can't believe I wrote that) and other players probably feel the same way. And it's not because I don't like dlc or incomplete games, it's just that the lies/vagueness/confusion from bioware is not wat I paid for

I'm still supporting the puzzle theory because i love ME but this "long game" of bioware's is kinda offensive. I mean 70-80 dollars for a game that I MIGHT fully experience somewhere down the line, this better be good.

(I know it will be)

Thanx for posting jade8, hope I didn't come off too pessimistic, i was going for...jaded.

[Jadebaby]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The PT deserves more fans

I wonder if we'll succeed in this week's MP operation. They were going to release an update yesterday, but they didn't do it on time (I haven't checked if they did at all). I wonder if it's because the numbers for the Allied Goal are so underwhelmingly low that people would give up, but that's just me being cynical. I'll be bummed though, I completed over 12 Gold games yesterday.

I think maybe people are just over it or sick of speculating, I can understand after almost half a year. But I love ME too much, so speculate on, I will!

Yea, I just saw on Chris Priestly's twitter that all difficulties; gold, silver and bronze, are all around the 30-40% mark. That's rough, so I might jump on now and knock off a few bronze&silver's.

Will leave Gold for the more... refined MP players lol.

@ Tipsyfresh, no that's fine. it's probably just because you're tipsy Seriously though, thanks for your support! =)

[FinalGirl]

I've seen this theory kicking around in various forms in a few places and while it could be ba-RILLIANT if it's true, I'm trying not to get my hopes up about it too much. TRYING. I was a big fan of Indoctrination Theory, and I wonder if maybe I'm giving BioWare too much "they have genius tricks up their sleeves!" credit when, as much as I don't want to admit it, Mass Effect is just basically over.

I'll play the DLC regardless because I simply want more time with Shepard and her gang, but the fact that it won't "matter" in terms of EMS and ending outcome kinda sucks. I mean, what: return Omega to Aria, get 150 war assets? The gameplay and story might be fun and that's great in its own right, but many people will see it as "pointless" and won't jump on board. I get that.

But if PT pans out...there is a LOT out there for BioWare to exploit for DLC, expanding lore and Mass Effect mysteries that could very well bring about an unconventional victory against the Reapers on our OWN terms. The Leviathan of Dis...what about those "beings of light" from Klencory? What about that planet-size supercomputer brain thing? If we could use all the knowledge and technology...maybe the Crucible can be modified to serve some other function- like getting the Reapers' shields to drop (à la Sovereign) and then all the allied forces blast 'em to hell. What if you simply need some currently unattainable EMS to make "refusal" a viable option, and all the DLC combined makes it possible?

TL;DR fingers crossed, dare to dream, leave me to my delusions

[ld1449]

FinalGirl wrote...

I've seen this theory kicking around in various forms in a few places and while it could be ba-RILLIANT if it's true, I'm trying not to get my hopes up about it too much. TRYING. I was a big fan of Indoctrination Theory, and I wonder if maybe I'm giving BioWare too much "they have genius tricks up their sleeves!" credit when, as much as I don't want to admit it, Mass Effect is just basically over.

I'll play the DLC regardless because I simply want more time with Shepard and her gang, but the fact that it won't "matter" in terms of EMS and ending outcome kinda sucks. I mean, what: return Omega to Aria, get 150 war assets? The gameplay and story might be fun and that's great in its own right, but many people will see it as "pointless" and won't jump on board. I get that.

But if PT pans out...there is a LOT out there for BioWare to exploit for DLC, expanding lore and Mass Effect mysteries that could very well bring about an unconventional victory against the Reapers on our OWN terms. The Leviathan of Dis...what about those "beings of light" from Klencory? What about that planet-size supercomputer brain thing? If we could use all the knowledge and technology...maybe the Crucible can be modified to serve some other function- like getting the Reapers' shields to drop (à la Sovereign) and then all the allied forces blast 'em to hell. What if you simply need some currently unattainable EMS to make "refusal" a viable option, and all the DLC combined makes it possible?

TL;DR fingers crossed, dare to dream, leave me to my delusions

The less you buy the better chance you have to actually make it matter.

The harder the DLC sales tank, the more likely it is the Bioware people will have to look at eachother and say "Yea...I think we're gonna have to go back to the ending again guys."

[JasonSic]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The PT deserves more fans

I wonder if we'll succeed in this week's MP operation. They were going to release an update yesterday, but they didn't do it on time (I haven't checked if they did at all). I wonder if it's because the numbers for the Allied Goal are so underwhelmingly low that people would give up, but that's just me being cynical. I'll be bummed though, I completed over 12 Gold games yesterday.

I saw the update. If we continue at the rate we are going, we will fail. It was at about 33% for each difficulty.

[Jadebaby]

ld1449 wrote...

FinalGirl wrote...

I've seen this theory kicking around in various forms in a few places and while it could be ba-RILLIANT if it's true, I'm trying not to get my hopes up about it too much. TRYING. I was a big fan of Indoctrination Theory, and I wonder if maybe I'm giving BioWare too much "they have genius tricks up their sleeves!" credit when, as much as I don't want to admit it, Mass Effect is just basically over.

I'll play the DLC regardless because I simply want more time with Shepard and her gang, but the fact that it won't "matter" in terms of EMS and ending outcome kinda sucks. I mean, what: return Omega to Aria, get 150 war assets? The gameplay and story might be fun and that's great in its own right, but many people will see it as "pointless" and won't jump on board. I get that.

But if PT pans out...there is a LOT out there for BioWare to exploit for DLC, expanding lore and Mass Effect mysteries that could very well bring about an unconventional victory against the Reapers on our OWN terms. The Leviathan of Dis...what about those "beings of light" from Klencory? What about that planet-size supercomputer brain thing? If we could use all the knowledge and technology...maybe the Crucible can be modified to serve some other function- like getting the Reapers' shields to drop (à la Sovereign) and then all the allied forces blast 'em to hell. What if you simply need some currently unattainable EMS to make "refusal" a viable option, and all the DLC combined makes it possible?

TL;DR fingers crossed, dare to dream, leave me to my delusions

The less you buy the better chance you have to actually make it matter.

The harder the DLC sales tank, the more likely it is the Bioware people will have to look at eachother and say "Yea...I think we're gonna have to go back to the ending again guys."

Or they will simply stop bringing out content and move on from ME3.

I'm more inclined to believe if we support them, BUT continue to voice our displeasure with the endings. They will eventually add an alternate 'win' scenario.

[Jadebaby]

JasonSic wrote...

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

The PT deserves more fans

I wonder if we'll succeed in this week's MP operation. They were going to release an update yesterday, but they didn't do it on time (I haven't checked if they did at all). I wonder if it's because the numbers for the Allied Goal are so underwhelmingly low that people would give up, but that's just me being cynical. I'll be bummed though, I completed over 12 Gold games yesterday.

I saw the update. If we continue at the rate we are going, we will fail. It was at about 33% for each difficulty.

I'm trying to raise awareness...

[Conniving_Eagle]

You know, when they were talking about the EC prior to its release, I was actually pretty excited. I didn't have ME3 at the time (still knew about the endings), but people were saying that you had to restart over an hour before the ending for the EC. I thought maybe they had actually rewritten the entire ending sequence, even though they said the EC would just further explain the endings.

I still think a complete re-write of the last hour is necessary (because that's where it all really falls apart), but I'd settle for victory through refuse, or a fourth for the Crucible. Right now, you need 3,100 EMS for access to all the endings, but you can have over 7,000 EMS.

[Conniving_Eagle]

People aren't participating in the weekend event because Victory packs suck.

[Jadebaby]

it's not about the packs! It's about stopping the Reapers!!

I didn't sign up to be an N7 marine for some stupid pack!

edit: also, I don't beleive the endings can be re-written, nor would I want them to be, as THAT would compromise their integrity. However, this doesn't mean they can't add stuff to the ending that their fans (which they care so nobley about) want.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 12 août 2012 - 07:30 .

[Lieber]

This is really good. And apparently Leviathan will affect the ending! With a tiny bit of luck they'll do this. Please Bioware dammit!

[MegaSovereign]

From a meta-game perspective why would I choose Refusal if I can save more lives in the end by picking Destroy?

Also, how would a conventional victory work? Let's say they retake Earth. Wouldn't it take a good year or two to travel to every system and finish off the remaining Reapers?

[Jadebaby]

Did you read the OP?

[MegaSovereign]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Did you read the OP?

The OP definetly does not answer my questions.

1) Why would I be inclined to pick this new ending option if it results in more casualties? 

2) Not all the Reapers are at Earth. The Retake Earth mission was suppose to be one final epic battle to save the Galaxy. Say the Sword fleet wins, wooo. Then what? They have to go liberate other systems as well, correct? This systematic liberation of the Galaxy would take at least a year or 2.

Wouldn't this be anti-climatic since this would result in the ending being nothing more than clean-up duty? 

[Jadebaby]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Did you read the OP?

The OP definetly does not answer my questions.

1) Why would I be inclined to pick this new ending option if it results in more casualties? 

2) Not all the Reapers are at Earth. The Retake Earth mission was suppose to be one final epic battle to save the Galaxy. Say the Sword fleet wins, wooo. Then what? They have to go liberate other systems as well, correct? This systematic liberation of the Galaxy would take at least a year or 2.

Wouldn't this be anti-climatic since this would result in the ending being nothing more than clean-up duty? 

Stop using conventional victory out of context. I hate BSN buzz words with a passion.

1) This could be because your Shepard actually survives and is shown in the final scene with his/her squad.

2) These questions will be easier to answer after Leviathan. But it could just show in the epilogue slides and have Commander Shepard narrating this ending, saying that the Reapers resistance was eradicated over the coming years. It makes the complete annihilation of the Reapers anti-climatic, sure. But that's not what's important, What's important is "taking back Earth" and cleaning up sol. Done right is could still be climatic.
To get rid of the Dues Ex, there has to be a progressive clean-up phase. But as I said, it could just be mentioned in the epilogue.

[DirtyPhoenix]

I still think there will be a hell of a sh*tstorm if people are asked to pay more to play the ultimate ending.

[chidingewe8036]

In The Words of Admiral Anderson - "Bull****"

[obZen DF]

Very interesting Theory you got there . Made me think. Hmmm....

[Jadebaby]

pirate1802 wrote...

I still think there will be a hell of a sh*tstorm if people are asked to pay more to play the ultimate ending.

Was broken steel or Arrival in ME2 free?

[Dein Justin]

I recently posted on the MP forums about this after the Op Overwatch success briefing came out. Nice to see that there are people thinking of the same thing.

+1 from me.