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[Ignis Mors]

If that was accurate, and Bioware had meant it like that instead of just having a chat with Garrus, I would officially consider them writing gods.

[Red Panda]

Ignis Mors wrote...

If that was accurate, and Bioware had meant it like that instead of just having a chat with Garrus, I would officially consider them writing gods.

It's way too good to be true.

I'm still waiting on my Weekend Challenge prediction.

[ld1449]

Abandon hope. Fools beget fools from on high with the blind stumbling over the blind, fumbling in their ignorance. This theory is beyond their capabilities now.

Modifié par ld1449, 08 décembre 2012 - 05:16 .

[Ignis Mors]

ld1449 wrote...

Abandon hope. Fools beget fools from on high with the blind stumbling over the blind, fumbling in their ignorance. This theory is beyond their capabilities now.

That is a depressing statement. And, maybe they're having trouble with writers block or something, but they've shown pure writing brilliance. (In Mass Effect 2 there were things like the loyalty missions, (Especially Tali and Mordin's.) The side mission lines you could find in them were very well written. If you look at ME2, the only real problems were that Shepard's death was way too early. (If it had been a bit more Cerberus for a while, perhaps encountering Miranda and Jacob, then being sent after the geth it would have been waaay better.) And, they proved that they could provide an incredibly satisfying ending with both of the first games. The battle through the Citadel, ending with the conversation with Saren, and the touching way he ended his own life if you managed to persuade him. And then the entire suicide mission, from going through the Omega 4 relay, to saving your crew, to fighting the reaper. It felt badass, and made you feel like you could take on anything the reapers could throw at you in 3. If we look at what they've done in the past, I could totally see them having trolled us with the original ending and had something like this planned. Just, don't give up on Bioware. They've had rough spots in the past. 

[BansheeOwnage]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Recently just put this in another thread, so will put it here too as I was talking about this quote in previous pages but never found the exact one.

First is the actual quote, then I'll do my interpretation of how it can be seen to the player from BioWare...


Shepard: My mother's in the Alliance. Haven't heard from her since Earth got hit.
Garrus: I'm sure... she's okay. Pretty soon, blind hope is all we'll have left... and I hate being blind.
Shepard: I know you don't have any illusions about what we're up against, Garrus. How do you rate our chances?
Garrus: I know it looks bad now, but I think we can win this, Shepard. For the first time since we met, we're not alone in the fight.
Shepard: After what's happened to Palaven, you still believe that?
Garrus: It's something I learned long ago in C-Sec: an imminent and painful death has a way of motivating people.Instead of questioning your every word, whole civilizations are going to be begging you to save them.I didn't say there wouldn't be casualties. It's something turians are taught from birth... If just one survivor is left standing at the end of a war, then the fight was worth it, but humans want to save everyone.


Shepard: (unchanged)
Garrus: I'm sure she's okay. Pretty soon (after you beat the game) blind hope is all we'll have left... and I hate being blind. (blind hope is all *you'll* have left. People hate being blind.)
Shepard: I know you don't have any illusions about what we're up against, Garrus. (Garrus is usually a character who's straight to the point. No bull. BioWare are appealing to that to give the player insight) So what are our chances? (of getting a "win" ending)
Garrus: I know it looks bad now (the flaming/ending situation), but I think we can win this Shepard (hint, hint). For the first time since we met, we're not alone in this fight. (Which can only mean the player themself is not alone in his/her playthrough, via multiplayer, different people can get together to help achieve this victory over the Reapers. Because although they were technically alone in ME1. They weren't in ME2. They had Cerberus' support and they weren't as small as we all thought.)
Shepard: (unchanged)
Garrus: It's something I learned long ago in C-Sec: an imminent and painful death has a way of motivating people. (The ending was imminent and painful to most ME fans. *especially original*. This had a way to motivate them to try and appeal to BioWare *Child's Play* etc...)

Instead of questioning your every word, whole civilizations are going to be begging you to save them. (Re: appealing to BioWare). I didn't say there wouldn't be casualties (We know we're going to lose fans over this). It's something turians are taught from birth (it's something writers are taught when taking risks in their stories). If just one survivor is left standing at the end of this war, then it was worth it. (If just one diehard fan is left standing when all this is over, then we succeeded.) But humans want to save everyone. (But fans are going to want to save everyone, inc. Shepard.)

So although some things fit, and somethings only loosely. It's quite a humerous comparison I thought.

Nice one Jade! You'll probably like this one too. What's with Garrus and his 4th wall breaking comments?

"If they're lucky, they grew up thinking the galaxy is basically a decent place.Some rough spots here and there, but for the most part, life makes sense. Now they find out it was all a lie.They wake up to see these things in the dark that just want to destroy everyone they ever cared about.If they survive, there'll be a lot of angry orphans out there looking for answers."

It just screams stuff about the end to me. What about you?

[Jadebaby]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Ignis Mors wrote...

If that was accurate, and Bioware had meant it like that instead of just having a chat with Garrus, I would officially consider them writing gods.

It's way too good to be true.

I'm still waiting on my Weekend Challenge prediction.

It's hard to do now because they stopped doing Hackett's speeches now.. It really sucks actually. Has this stopped for good or are Brianne O'Grady just on holidays?

I agree Banshee.

ld1449 wrote...

Abandon hope. Fools beget fools from on high with the blind stumbling over the blind, fumbling in their ignorance. This theory is beyond their capabilities now.

... In you opinion. You have to remember, if they were planning on taking fan feedback from everyone to incorporate then it can only be a good thing they haven't done anything yet. Not everyone got to play it on opening week, and furthermore they have to then create the content and write it also. Then, on top of all that, it has to follow their plans for dlc schedule etc... I still don't believe EC is the "end of the endings"... And if it is.. Then ME4 will star Shepard again.

This industry has become WAY too competitive for them to just not do anything. That's a fact.

Ignis Mors wrote...

That is a depressing statement. And, maybe they're having trouble with writers block or something, but they've shown pure writing brilliance. (In Mass Effect 2 there were things like the loyalty missions, (Especially Tali and Mordin's.) The side mission lines you could find in them were very well written. If you look at ME2, the only real problems were that Shepard's death was way too early. (If it had been a bit more Cerberus for a while, perhaps encountering Miranda and Jacob, then being sent after the geth it would have been waaay better.) And, they proved that they could provide an incredibly satisfying ending with both of the first games. The battle through the Citadel, ending with the conversation with Saren, and the touching way he ended his own life if you managed to persuade him. And then the entire suicide mission, from going through the Omega 4 relay, to saving your crew, to fighting the reaper. It felt badass, and made you feel like you could take on anything the reapers could throw at you in 3. If we look at what they've done in the past, I could totally see them having trolled us with the original ending and had something like this planned. Just, don't give up on Bioware. They've had rough spots in the past.

I agree on all points. I see the EC as as way to cool the flames. People were getting too emotional that they needed to do something to simmer the flames. Now that all is left are embers, they can continue working on their original intention, hopefully. One thing is clear though, their intention with the ending was to disappoint and upset people. I can't see it any other way.

ALSO,

I've spent the last 3 hours watching the "backstage" portion of the VGA's with Daniel hosting people like Cliff bleszinki and other industry pros and I recommend anyone losing faith to watch it, they talk a lot about the relationship between dev and fan and some of it can be related to BioWare and Mass Effect. There's also a great part with Jen Hale and Ali Hillis where Alison asks them about ME4 lol.

You can check it out here..
http://www.spike.com...me-awards/live/

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 08 décembre 2012 - 06:51 .

[Ignis Mors]

I think that they've stopped because of the change in the weekend challenge structure. There has been one community challenge since the release of retaliation. Or, they're working really hard on the next DLC, so they don't have anyone free to write the Hackett speeches. (I'm hoping that it is they're focusing on the next dlc to fix all that they've messed up.)

[Jadebaby]

Ignis Mors wrote...

I think that they've stopped because of the change in the weekend challenge structure. There has been one community challenge since the release of retaliation. Or, they're working really hard on the next DLC, so they don't have anyone free to write the Hackett speeches. (I'm hoping that it is they're focusing on the next dlc to fix all that they've messed up.)

Oh my god, you're actually right. Brianne O'Grady is helping out with the writing for the next dlc. So there's the answer right there...

As for the weekend challenges, I know they had started one a week since retaliation.. But all those challenges weren't "legit" as you weren't getting victory packs. But then two weeks ago (I think it was), they had a "proper" challenge/operation with Victory packs, but only a BioWare MP employee simply listing the results on the Allied Goal without a Hackett speech. That's how I knew something had happened. But alas, you are right. The Hackett writer must be busy on this new dlc...

I'm getting increasingly more excited for this, I don't want to be, but I can't help it...

[BansheeOwnage]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I'm getting increasingly more excited for this, I don't want to be, but I can't help it...

Mhmm I know the feeling.

[BansheeOwnage]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I agree Banshee.

I agree on all points. I see the EC as as way to cool the flames. People were getting too emotional that they needed to do something to simmer the flames. Now that all is left are embers, they can continue working on their original intention, hopefully. One thing is clear though, their intention with the ending was to disappoint and upset people. I can't see it any other way.

ALSO,

I've spent the last 3 hours watching the "backstage" portion of the VGA's with Daniel hosting people like Cliff bleszinki and other industry pros and I recommend anyone losing faith to watch it, they talk a lot about the relationship between dev and fan and some of it can be related to BioWare and Mass Effect. There's also a great part with Jen Hale and Ali Hillis where Alison asks them about ME4 lol.

You can check it out here..
http://www.spike.com...me-awards/live/

Yeah, pretty much all of the above. Thanks for the link by the way, I missed it.
Oh my god that scene with Garrus and Shepards was awesome!!!!!!!!!!

[BansheeOwnage]

Random Off-topic: Not sure if this is the same Brianne O'Grady you mentioned who does the Hackett speeches, but I randomly came across this.
http://www.ascentasp.../thebanshee.htm
It was pretty good either way, but mostly it just creeped me out because of the name...

[Jadebaby]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I agree on all points. I see the EC as as way to cool the flames. People were getting too emotional that they needed to do something to simmer the flames. Now that all is left are embers, they can continue working on their original intention, hopefully. One thing is clear though, their intention with the ending was to disappoint and upset people. I can't see it any other way.

ALSO,

I've spent the last 3 hours watching the "backstage" portion of the VGA's with Daniel hosting people like Cliff bleszinki and other industry pros and I recommend anyone losing faith to watch it, they talk a lot about the relationship between dev and fan and some of it can be related to BioWare and Mass Effect. There's also a great part with Jen Hale and Ali Hillis where Alison asks them about ME4 lol.

You can check it out here..
http://www.spike.com...me-awards/live/

*snip*

Did you watch it?

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Random Off-topic: Not sure if this is the same Brianne O'Grady you mentioned who does the Hackett speeches, but I randomly came across this.
http://www.ascentasp.../thebanshee.htm
It was pretty good either way, but mostly it just creeped me out because of the name...

Yep, I've read that before. As far as I'm aware, it's the same person.

[MWMike2011]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I agree on all points. I see the EC as as way to cool the flames. People were getting too emotional that they needed to do something to simmer the flames. Now that all is left are embers, they can continue working on their original intention, hopefully. One thing is clear though, their intention with the ending was to disappoint and upset people. I can't see it any other way.

I've been saying this very thing for a while now, that EC was never intended to even exist, only to calm the masses that were literally SUING the coming because of a damned video game. I think it was always their intention, ever since the first leak, to deny everything until they were truly ready, and we are nearing that time now, it would seem. The next DLC might not be massive, even at the 2GB, because all the ground work has already been laid in the main game and all the DLC. It's just a matter of putting all the pieces together and give you the big picture. It's looking more and more promising. I really can't wait! Hoping for a nice little Anniversary present. 

[BansheeOwnage]

MWMike2011 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I agree on all points. I see the EC as as way to cool the flames. People were getting too emotional that they needed to do something to simmer the flames. Now that all is left are embers, they can continue working on their original intention, hopefully. One thing is clear though, their intention with the ending was to disappoint and upset people. I can't see it any other way.

I've been saying this very thing for a while now, that EC was never intended to even exist, only to calm the masses that were literally SUING the coming because of a damned video game. I think it was always their intention, ever since the first leak, to deny everything until they were truly ready, and we are nearing that time now, it would seem. The next DLC might not be massive, even at the 2GB, because all the ground work has already been laid in the main game and all the DLC. It's just a matter of putting all the pieces together and give you the big picture. It's looking more and more promising. I really can't wait! Hoping for a nice little Anniversary present. 

Tuesday, March 5th 2013!!!  Goodnight PT thread.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 08 décembre 2012 - 08:14 .

[Jadebaby]

Goodnight Banshee!

@Mike.. Yea, I'm hoping so too.. The only thing I'm concerned about is the 2GB limit.. Could they really have been putting bits and pieces in other dlcs though? Those dataminers are pretty damn clever!

[killswitch423]

Damn, just when I give up on hoping for a fix you sucker me back in with a tiny speck of hope...

And oh my damn if they decide to release it exactly a year from... gjutfdetvbhggf3rrrrrrr-O_O

[dorktainian]

one things for sure, somethings going to happen soon. what if it were there right in front of our eyes at the VGAs? Shep / Garrus playing a video game. the same game we've been playing? ah well you know all this nerd rage could have been sorted out with 15 seconds of footage placed in the right area. all they have to do is show shepard get up from the rubble and walk away. then you know everything is a lie and that sets up more stuff. it's ok writing a deep and meaningful ending if no-one gets it. yeah good idea.

[MWMike2011]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Goodnight Banshee!

@Mike.. Yea, I'm hoping so too.. The only thing I'm concerned about is the 2GB limit.. Could they really have been putting bits and pieces in other dlcs though? Those dataminers are pretty damn clever!

It's possible. Personally, though, I can't see how they can't make an amazing DLC out of 2GB. I mean, Dawnguard and Dragonborn are WELL under the 2GB limit...and, think about it...if they are just expanding on the ending, they really don't NEED to add much...the groundwork really is there...

[Jadebaby]

MWMike2011 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Goodnight Banshee!

@Mike.. Yea, I'm hoping so too.. The only thing I'm concerned about is the 2GB limit.. Could they really have been putting bits and pieces in other dlcs though? Those dataminers are pretty damn clever!

It's possible. Personally, though, I can't see how they can't make an amazing DLC out of 2GB. I mean, Dawnguard and Dragonborn are WELL under the 2GB limit...and, think about it...if they are just expanding on the ending, they really don't NEED to add much...the groundwork really is there...

I don't get how Omega is exactly 1.99GB, like... Really?

dorktainian wrote...

one things for sure, somethings going to happen soon. what if it were there right in front of our eyes at the VGAs? Shep / Garrus playing a video game. the same game we've been playing? ah well you know all this nerd rage could have been sorted out with 15 seconds of footage placed in the right area. all they have to do is show shepard get up from the rubble and walk away. then you know everything is a lie and that sets up more stuff. it's ok writing a deep and meaningful ending if no-one gets it. yeah good idea.

lol wut?

[Jadebaby]

N7_killswitch wrote...

Damn, just when I give up on hoping for a fix you sucker me back in with a tiny speck of hope...

And oh my damn if they decide to release it exactly a year from... gjutfdetvbhggf3rrrrrrr-O_O

I hope it wasn't me with my long OP.. It's only meant to indoctrinate you into believing

[Jadebaby]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

No. I didn't watch it.

Then you can't simply laugh it off. Thanks for playing

[killswitch423]

Well I was actually still skeptical after reading the op. It's the timing discussion that is sinking in... and now I can't help but hope.