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dorktainian wrote...

jeez  it's an opinion.  just like smuds.  you dont have to agree with it.  but your opinion is no better than mine...and that is a fact.


Jeez, this guy does it so much better than smud.

edit: Oh wait, in my opinion... Just in case.. Posted Image

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

jeez  it's an opinion.  just like smuds.  you dont have to agree with it.  but your opinion is no better than mine...and that is a fact.


Jeez, this guy does it so much better than smud.

yes he does.  smuds voice is so much more annoying tho.  

in my opinion......:wizard:

Modifié par dorktainian, 24 décembre 2012 - 01:43 .


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dorktainian wrote...
jeez  it's an opinion.  just like smuds.  you dont have to agree with it.  but your opinion is no better than mine...and that is a fact.


Just so long as you're aware that is it only an opinion, by no means a majority opinion and by no means a fact.  Posted Image

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oh jeez

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i am not speaking for any majority..moral or otherwise. when i state an opinion it is my opinion. it is not an opinion of any group or organisation. it is not the opinion of any secret society or any aliens currently living on this planet. as a yorkshireman i say it as i see it. that is all.   

here is another link.  this guy actually refers to how great the refuse ending is.

(it's a long un.....phnarr phnarrrr)   @ 24 minutes 32 seconds

www.youtube.com/watch



 

Modifié par dorktainian, 24 décembre 2012 - 01:58 .


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dorktainian wrote...

i am not speaking for any majority..moral or otherwise. when i state an opinion it is my opinion. it is not an opinion of any group or organisation. it is not the opinion of any secret society or any aliens currently living on this planet. as a yorkshireman i say it as i see it. that is all.   

here is another link.  this guy actually refers to how great the refuse ending is.

(it's a long un.....phnarr phnarrrr)   @ 24 minutes 32 seconds

www.youtube.com/watch
 


Yea, I've seen Arch before, I love his voice! XD.. But umm.. yea, I don't have two hours....

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ElSuperGecko wrote...

dorktainian wrote...
jeez  it's an opinion.  just like smuds.  you dont have to agree with it.  but your opinion is no better than mine...and that is a fact.


Just so long as you're aware that is it only an opinion, by no means a majority opinion and by no means a fact.  Posted Image


You are a grinch.

But don't take that as an insult, it's only my opinion.

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subject of Arch's 2 hour spectacular -(possibly the finest analysis of ME3 by anyone...anywhere) he points out something that actually makes a lot of sense. if we'd have all banded together at the end of ME1 we would have won. we would have gone into dark space and won. I just hope that any incoming DLC can actually fix this and enable us to actually WIN.  even if it means shapard dies.  let his life and sacrifices mean something god dammit.

Modifié par dorktainian, 24 décembre 2012 - 02:07 .


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dorktainian wrote...

subject of Arch's 2 hour spectacular -(possibly the finest analysis of ME3 by anyone...anywhere) he points out something that actually makes a lot of sense. if we'd have all banded together at the end of ME1 we would have won. we would have gone into dark space and won. I just hope that any incoming DLC can actually fix this and enable us to actually WIN.  even if it means shapard dies.  let his life and sacrifices mean something god dammit.


Yea, I reckon it should play out based on EMS, if you have too little than Shepard dies. But if you do everything 100% and get as much EMS as possible, there should be the ability to win. And survive.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 24 décembre 2012 - 02:20 .


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Smugboy can go pound sand. **** him.

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On the one hand, I appreciate the concept of all of these MP operations actually meaning something and not just being pointless filler. On the other hand, doesn't this completely obviate the plot of the rest of ME3, unless successful victory still involves the Crucible somehow?

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Xilizhra wrote...

On the one hand, I appreciate the concept of all of these MP operations actually meaning something and not just being pointless filler. On the other hand, doesn't this completely obviate the plot of the rest of ME3, unless successful victory still involves the Crucible somehow?


It could still involve the crucible, sure. That's one interpretation. In my opinion we'd need to manipulate it in some way to weaken the Reapers, but even without it, the more pressing issue would be beating them.

In the same way the boy could be Indoctrination instead of PTSD, the crucible could be a Reaper trap also.

After all, a crucible is a test, so maybe the test was being able to build it, not to actually use it. Saying, if we can construct and complete the crucible, we can do anything.

However, there's other ways it could play out, this is just a couple.

I'm with you on the MP operations actually meaning something though, and it would make me feel less bitter about all the focus that's gone to it.

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jade nip over onto the IT thread and look at the discussion re: the menu screen. wow.... just wow.

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After all, a crucible is a test, so maybe the test was being able to build it, not to actually use it. Saying, if we can construct and complete the crucible, we can do anything.

Actually, I think this is a reasoning behind why we're ready for Synthesis.

That said... I'm not opposed to Puzzle Theory, because it still acknowledges that Refuse is a terrible idea unless new factors are added to the decision. I'm not married to Control, and concede that I'd love an ending where I can both survive and not commit genocide (though Control might be very useful for keeping the krogan in check). I'm just curious as to how this might actually be achieved... and whether making people pay for the ending they should have gotten beforehand is really a good idea.

Also, what story do the operations tell?

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Xilizhra wrote...


After all, a crucible is a test, so maybe the test was being able to build it, not to actually use it. Saying, if we can construct and complete the crucible, we can do anything.

Actually, I think this is a reasoning behind why we're ready for Synthesis.


I suppose it can be seen that way, but Shepard is still forcing it on the galaxy. Also, the entire organic v synth theme is so flawed that I just cannot accept it. So synthesis is a way to solve a problem that never existed, to me.

That said... I'm not opposed to Puzzle Theory, because it still acknowledges that Refuse is a terrible idea unless new factors are added to the decision. I'm not married to Control, and concede that I'd love an ending where I can both survive and not commit genocide (though Control might be very useful for keeping the krogan in check). I'm just curious as to how this might actually be achieved... and whether making people pay for the ending they should have gotten beforehand is really a good idea.


How to could be achieved is all up to how the writers want to do it, if they do it. It could be by a somewhat implausible means like Synthesis, or they could make it more believable, it's all up to them. As for paying for it, many other games have done it. Especially in this situation, I think it would make for one hell of a plot twist, and because it has been so long, if you are already content with the endings or you have gotten over the whole ordeal altogether, then you can simply avoid it.

Also, what story do the operations tell?


Generally, they tell us that we weren't doing as bad in this war as we first thought, there have many many operations and most of them successful, each time we are successful we learn something new about the Reapers or we secure our footing further in position.

The last operation with an allied goal was speculated on a few weeks ago, that it was the story of "The Miracle on Palaven."

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Is there a speculated release date for the speculated Citadel DLC?

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saintjimmy43 wrote...

Is there a speculated release date for the speculated Citadel DLC?


Some people say Easter, others say ME3 release anniversary. That's all just guesswork however, I have a feeling we should know (at the very least) what it is before the ME3 release anniversary.

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From: Admiral Steven Hackett
Re: Operation PROPHECY
Confidentiality classification: XB-PRIME
Distribution: N7 Forces Only

Soldiers of the Milky Way –

As operation PROPHECY comes to a close, I want you to know you have succeeded. This is not only important for our human soldiers who are seeing the devastation on our homeworld but also for our allies. Earth remains the symbol of what we can accomplish and what we cannot accomplish – yet.

PROPHECY managed to give the resistance a necessary shot in the arm. We improved communications between the disparate forces; we delivered ships and armored vehicles to help even the odds; and most importantly, we kept hope alive where there would otherwise be none.

The loss of life on our homeworlds makes it easy to believe that this moment is the end of the world or the end of the galaxy, but I cannot believe that. Since time was first recorded, there have been thousands of supposed prophets telling myths about when the end will come, and they have all been proven wrong. We will make it through this, too… but it will be a fight to get there.

Good work.

–Admiral Hackett



Thoughts?

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So I assume that "N7" no longer means elite Alliance soldiers and is just elite soldiers of the coalition?

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The world didn't end on the 21st.

Hackett knew that it wouldn't.

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Xilizhra wrote...

So I assume that "N7" no longer means elite Alliance soldiers and is just elite soldiers of the coalition?


Hackett explains in the message to Shepard's private terminal in the SP campaign that they aren't really N7 operatives but they take to calling them that to boost their morale. I assume that's what he means when he says "N7 forces only."

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

From: Admiral Steven Hackett
Re: Operation PROPHECY
Confidentiality classification: XB-PRIME
Distribution: N7 Forces Only

Soldiers of the Milky Way –

As operation PROPHECY comes to a close, I want you to know you have succeeded. This is not only important for our human soldiers who are seeing the devastation on our homeworld but also for our allies. Earth remains the symbol of what we can accomplish and what we cannot accomplish – yet.

PROPHECY managed to give the resistance a necessary shot in the arm. We improved communications between the disparate forces; we delivered ships and armored vehicles to help even the odds; and most importantly, we kept hope alive where there would otherwise be none.

The loss of life on our homeworlds makes it easy to believe that this moment is the end of the world or the end of the galaxy, but I cannot believe that. Since time was first recorded, there have been thousands of supposed prophets telling myths about when the end will come, and they have all been proven wrong. We will make it through this, too… but it will be a fight to get there.

Good work.

–Admiral Hackett



Thoughts?

   

earth DLC?

also info on time..  franklludwig.com/rt.html

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Thoughts?

They are referring to Mayans.

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

From: Admiral Steven Hackett
Re: Operation PROPHECY
Confidentiality classification: XB-PRIME
Distribution: N7 Forces Only

Soldiers of the Milky Way –

As operation PROPHECY comes to a close, I want you to know you have succeeded. This is not only important for our human soldiers who are seeing the devastation on our homeworld but also for our allies. Earth remains the symbol of what we can accomplish and what we cannot accomplish – yet.

PROPHECY managed to give the resistance a necessary shot in the arm. We improved communications between the disparate forces; we delivered ships and armored vehicles to help even the odds; and most importantly, we kept hope alive where there would otherwise be none.

The loss of life on our homeworlds makes it easy to believe that this moment is the end of the world or the end of the galaxy, but I cannot believe that. Since time was first recorded, there have been thousands of supposed prophets telling myths about when the end will come, and they have all been proven wrong. We will make it through this, too… but it will be a fight to get there.

Good work.

–Admiral Hackett



Thoughts?


The last paragraph is interesting. From how I read it it sounds like the current ''endings'' aren't the endings. Don't believe ''us'' (the supposed prophets) when we say these ''endings'' are the end. The (real) ending will come but it will be a fight go get there. So probably at the end of the dlc cycle, which suggests the next dlc is not the final dlc?

Just speculating, but that is how it reads to me. :)

Modifié par Pascal219, 25 décembre 2012 - 10:39 .


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Maddok900 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Thoughts?

They are referring to Mayans.



Well yes, the joke is there, but there's also hints at DLC. Exactly what? Posted Image Me not know.