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[dorktainian]

www.forbes.com/sites/danielnyegriffiths/2012/06/28/real-hero-of-mass-effect/



posted this link earlier on another thread. 

[Jadebaby]

Thank tainian, will check it out.

Just copy/pasting this here because this is probably the most brief decription of why I choose refuse (non-IT related)

My Shep will never choose an option that commits genocide on (not an entire race) an entire species, just because the enemy says it's the only way they can win.

My Shep fights for all of them, she wont kill EDI and she sure as hell wont make Legion's sacrifice in vain. If the situation arose where she was put in a Virmire dilemma, then she would cross that bridge when she came to it. But she's not going to give up her friends and her friend's sacrifices because the leader of her enemy tells her she has to.

No, She will fight, and no matter what was shown in the Capsule scene, I believe she went out fighting like a true champ and that the galaxy held their own against the Reapers for a good time, at least.

STAND FAST. STAND STRONG, STAND TOGETHER!"

[dorktainian]

it makes a hell of a lot of sense

enjoy jade. back tommoz...

[Jadebaby]

Thanks again for that Dorktainian. Really good read

I still see as more of a punch in the gut as is, however.

[Pascal219]

No response to what I wrote? Did you think it was that silly? =(

[Pascal219]

Well those certainly are good points! But what if the ''real'' ending is released for free? Wouldn't that make it better?

Though I suppose it is far more likely they will continue this DLC cycle to bridge to ME4, which will definitely finish the fight. And I agree it would be cool way to introduce the next protagonist! Maybe even, if some parts of the indoctrination theory hold true, your Shepard could be an indoctrinated antagonist!

But I'm going a bit off my point here, so wouldn't ending the story in ME4 feel the same way like a paid DLC? ME3 has no real ending and you have to buy another game to see the end?

[Red Panda]

Pascal219 wrote...

Well those certainly are good points! But what if the ''real'' ending is released for free? Wouldn't that make it better?

Though I suppose it is far more likely they will continue this DLC cycle to bridge to ME4, which will definitely finish the fight. And I agree it would be cool way to introduce the next protagonist! Maybe even, if some parts of the indoctrination theory hold true, your Shepard could be an indoctrinated antagonist!

But I'm going a bit off my point here, so wouldn't ending the story in ME4 feel the same way like a paid DLC? ME3 has no real ending and you have to buy another game to see the end?

Do not want.


No offense.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

There is a problem with extending the DLC out going into ME4.... the new consoles. I don't think they are going to do import saves for the next game, so this is why they wanted to end Shepard's saga. Why they had to end it on such a negative note I don't know?

So I do think it is still possible for them to have another DLC that changes things in the end regardless of what peeps say.

[Jadebaby]

Pascal219 wrote...
No response to what I wrote? Did you think it was that silly? =(

I can't believe it, I actually missed your post entirely. Which is made even worse by the fact it's exactly the kind of speculation I was looking for!

Pascal219 wrote...
The last paragraph is interesting. From how I read it it sounds like the current ''endings'' aren't the endings. Don't believe ''us'' (the supposed prophets) when we say these ''endings'' are the end. The (real) ending will come but it will be a fight go get there. So probably at the end of the dlc cycle, which suggests the next dlc is not the final dlc?

Just speculating, but that is how it reads to me.

That's how I saw it kind of, because Priestly and other forum peeps were denying stuff that might not be correct. And even Priestly said "plans change".

So let's look at it then...

The loss of life on our homeworlds makes it easy to believe that this moment is the end of the world or the end of the galaxy, (That these endings are the end of Mass Effect, the end of Shepard) but I cannot believe that. Since time was first recorded, there have been thousands of supposed prophets telling myths about when the end will come, (Forum staff saying that it is over etc...) and they have all been proven wrong. (He also denied MP dlc and Kasumi dlc among other things) We will make it through this, too… but it will be a fight to get there. (speculations!)

I think it's also worth noting here that in the first two paragraphs, it makes it seem like it was a significant hit on the Reapers. This would seem like any other operation success, however one variable must be taken into account.

The operations were set on EARTH! If we can be hitting back at the epiccentre of this galactic war. Then we must be doing a LOT right!

Thank you Pascal219, good stuff. And sorry I missed it

vivaladricas wrote...
My issue's with them going the DLC route for the "real" ending are the following.

1- Going a DLC route means flat out they shipped a game that was incomplete. This wouldn't be like broken steel where it was more of an expansion pack, this would be a continuation of the game. That could prove to have FTC or other issues come up, would be sticky business that EA certainly couldnt handle. MS could, EA no.

But they didn't. The other three endings are still endings, and should my canon be able to receive closure, I could even see myself picking control with one of my renegade sheps (she's a mole). But I wouldn't even consider playing through with her while my canon can't receive closure. Also, while Broken Steel was an expansion (kind of), it still continued the main game by allowing your character to live where otherwise they wouldn't have.

2- Paying for it which ties into point 1 kind of sucks. I would do it, I have money to burn (a little) but still that kind of blows.

Better that than something like Omega again....

The better scenario is to do ME4 with a "finish the fight" (I know it's a Halo thing) but still that would be pretty bad arse. The trailer at E3 would be mind blowing and a whole new 50 hrs of fun with our characters and our Shep would be quite cool. I can't see how a person would be extremly pissed about another sweet game for this story arc. It would be fun. Doing new characters can be tricky, so a tried a true methd is smart and you can introduce new characters in ME4 to see how the audience reacts to them to make a transistion to a new lead protagonist. It's smart to put a feeler out there to see the reactions.

There's a lot in here I agree with, especially the part about adding new characters that could be our squadmates in future games by transitioning them into the timeframe we know now. I even support the "finish the fight" idea in ME4, wholeheartedly even as I would gladly take another 50 hours with these characters than a DLC.

However, as Shotgun_Julia said, the next gen consoles are literally just around the corner.. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if there's some unveiling done at the next E3. With this issue on the table, I don't think they'd waste another 2 years on a game for this gen consoles, as by the time it comes out, next gen will probably be upon us. If not close to it.

But then 2 years would be the minimum so it could be even longer... I sure hope EA learnt their lesson about deadlines with ME3, but knowing them, they already knew and just didn't give a ****, so chances are it will be 2 years again, in which case we are subject to a very poor quality game.

So the DLC would have to somehow lead us into ME4 sort of like "Arrival" was supposed to do but really didn't lead us into 3 considering where 3 started.

I can't see anyone doing incomplete games and this would set a bad precedence in an industry that is already severly disgusting already when it comes to DLC.

No need to bust my nuts here, just stating what I think. You can bust em if you like though peeps. Be gentle.

lol I'd rather not think about Quarian nuts. So aside from that.. Arrival is the perfect example, how was that not adding to an unfinished game? Sure the Collector arc ended in ME2, but that was never even the main arc of the trilogy anyway, how many times do you here people complain that ME2 was "sidetracked". So arguabley by adding a Reaper-focused dlc (with Harbinger), they were still adding to the main story. Also, It was clearly necessary and the canon way to set up ME3. Because if you don't do it you're simply there because of Cerberus relations. Which is flimsy at best.

Pascal219 wrote...
Well those certainly are good points! But what if the ''real'' ending is released for free? Wouldn't that make it better?

If it is free I will eat my own BSN profile. I don't know how, but I'll find a way. They already did the EC and the MP dlc is arguably fanservice too (I say arguably because I believe it's a tactic to lure people in because they make more money off people's impatience and greed with those microtransactions anyway).

Though I suppose it is far more likely they will continue this DLC cycle to bridge to ME4, which will definitely finish the fight. And I agree it would be cool way to introduce the next protagonist! Maybe even, if some parts of the indoctrination theory hold true, your Shepard could be an indoctrinated antagonist!

I'm with Operating Wookie on this. The only way I'd want IT is if Shepard just wakes up and kicks the Reapers ass via using "the real crucible" or by just doing it some other way *shrugs*.

Regardless of what happens there, I don't think there will be any bridging of stories between the two. They will either be one directly after the other (what vivaladricas said in "finishing the real fight" or they will be a signifcant time apart,
like 100-200 years.

But I'm going a bit off my point here, so wouldn't ending the story in ME4 feel the same way like a paid DLC? ME3 has no real ending and you have to buy another game to see the end?

That's actually a pretty good point, but I'd be too happy to get another 50 hours with these characters to even consider feeling screwed over.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 28 décembre 2012 - 02:16 .

[Jadebaby]

Except you can't import from ME1 to ME3 lol. WIsh you could, that'd be kind of fun.

[Jadebaby]

vivaladricas wrote...

Oh wow, yeah dont wanna edit the pyramids. 

I am just still confused Jade, I don't what the heck they are planning with this stuff.  That was the gist of my replies.  

I don't see how you guys kept track of editing them pyramids.  Thats rough.  LOL

lol I could even pick it apart and read what you wrote, even with the bad formatting haha

Oh, you know you spend too much time on BSN when...

Yea, you get the picture.


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[Ignis Mors]

About the next-gen save transfer weirdness, they could include something like the Genesis DLC for ME2. Or, they could have a longer character creator which included the major choices. That way you could recreate your Shepard and how things went in the original trilogy.

[Ignis Mors]

That should stay the same, seeing as it didn't drastically change things on a macroscopic level. It's more like making everyone like Shepard was in 2 and 3. Though, that doesn't seem as important as ignoring people's right to choose whether or not they have their bodies augmented with synthetic implants. That's just me though.

Modifié par Ignis Mors, 28 décembre 2012 - 03:20 .

[Ignis Mors]

Yeah, but there isn't enough joking on the forums these days. And, I think that they'd probably have eradicated aids in the ME universe through genetic engineering and the like.

[Jadebaby]

If you guys want to laugh, click on my Signature =D

Also Ignis Mors, I think if they did something like Genesis, there would be too many choices to implement it right. Really, the import features I loved most going from ME! to ME2, wasn't who you romanced or whether you saved the council or not. It was Shepard's extra dialog option when talking to Tali at the start if you got her data drive. It was seeing Fist or Helena Blake on Omega if you let them survive. Seeing Conrad again, the smaller features. And those kinds of things would get dropped if they did it Genesis-style.

[BansheeOwnage]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

If you guys want to laugh, click on my Signature =D

Also Ignis Mors, I think if they did something like Genesis, there would be too many choices to implement it right. Really, the import features I loved most going from ME! to ME2, wasn't who you romanced or whether you saved the council or not. It was Shepard's extra dialog option when talking to Tali at the start if you got her data drive. It was seeing Fist or Helena Blake on Omega if you let them survive. Seeing Conrad again, the smaller features. And those kinds of things would get dropped if they did it Genesis-style.

It's always the smallest things that make the biggest difference.

[Ignis Mors]

Yeah. From what I was able to tell Genesis wasn't good for the minutiae. I was just saying that way the major things could be included. Or, they could include a bit of the way KOTOR 2 handled the smaller things. Your dialogue options with squaddies changes what happened in the previous title. Like, Tali asks, 'Hey, do you remember what you said to me when we first met?' and you get those dialogue options again. But, that could get kinda annoying. And they pretty-much canonized the Conrad stuff with 3.
But, what I have the most trouble with figuring out how they'd handle it, is how they would handle a single choice if they use ME4 to implement IT. What if you chose synthesis or control? They could canonize that you resisted the Indoctrination with destroy or refuse, but that would seem a bit weak to me. The best solution I can come up with for that is anything after the final nightmare is an Indoctrination attempt. That way is still kinda weak, but it doesn't canonize any of the final so called 'choices'
The tougher things would be the who lives, who dies things that aren't major. (Like whether or not you killed Fist.) That could also be done with the conversations, or could be canonized.
And, on a final note, I agree with your thing about the little choices mattering a lot. Even if some of them don't make any difference. (Like your choice at the end of 3 before the EC.)
And if you like fanfiction, and want to read something that takes established canon and tells it to go away, you could look at my fanfic Meus Mundus.(Sorry if the self-advertisement is annoying.)

[Jadebaby]

That's alright lol I self-promote all the time...

In fact, Check out my IT fan-fic if you want a good read ; )

I'ts not very long either...
http://social.biowar...56/blog/212479/

[Ignis Mors]

Your fic is pretty good, but I have a few nitpicky problems. One: the dialogue where you have it as Character A: "Blah Blah Blah."
Character B: "Blah Blah Blah."
That didn't seem too good, and there was also the music playing in the background bit. I find it to be counter-immersive. There are a couple of ways that you could counteract it. One way would be to have an A\\N where you suggest that you listen to a song with a link in it until there is a transition sign. Another would be to have it indicate that like in the Loading Ready Run sketch where it is just jumping from a bunch of the LRR crew talking about what happened earlier in the mall. One of the people says that they hacked into the PA system and started playing music. Both would be helpful in improving the immersion. And, I didn't care for the Liara stuff, but that's just a pet peeve of mine. Something could be the greatest work of human literature, destroy all known diseases, make the entire human race enlightened and immortal, give definitive proof on how the universe originated, and if it had Liara done that way, it would score very low with me. But, without the Liara bits, I'd say it was very good.

[Ignis Mors]

Quick question. Am I the only one who finds the MP the best part of ME3?

Modifié par Ignis Mors, 28 décembre 2012 - 07:00 .