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[dorktainian]

am i the only one who noted what anderson said to shepard after the first prothean beacon incident on eden prime?

went something along the lines of.....

''who knows what was stored on the beacon? advanced technology or blueprints for a weapon of mass destruction''

[Massa FX]

dorktainian wrote...

am i the only one who noted what anderson said to shepard after the first prothean beacon incident on eden prime?

went something along the lines of.....

''who knows what was stored on the beacon? advanced technology or blueprints for a weapon of mass destruction''

Nope you are not the only one. Everyone that plays ME1 after ME3 duly notes the foreshadowing.  ... and there are more if these little hints throughout ME1 and ME2. 

[3DandBeyond]

Massa FX wrote...

dorktainian wrote...

am i the only one who noted what anderson said to shepard after the first prothean beacon incident on eden prime?

went something along the lines of.....

''who knows what was stored on the beacon? advanced technology or blueprints for a weapon of mass destruction''

Nope you are not the only one. Everyone that plays ME1 after ME3 duly notes the foreshadowing.  ... and there are more if these little hints throughout ME1 and ME2. 

No, I do distinctly remember it.  The problem is the blueprints don't come from that beacon or any known source.  That quote no doubt was used as a basis to say "see we talked about the crucible" but then the crucible doesn't even turn out to really be mainly a weapon.  How about the foreshadowing for the crucible when in ME3 Shepard says that it would be nice to know what it is so they aren't like kids playing with a loaded gun?

And, if you consider that to be foreshadowing that should be remembered then so should every other piece of stuff that people say that totally negates the idea of Shepard making one of those choices.  What I mean is that if that matters, then so too should what Sovereign and Harbinger said, but more importantly so too should the things that any one Shepard could say (especially since Shepard is confronted with the choices) and so too should what Mordin says, Legion says, Miranda says, and you get the idea.  Also, all the things Shepard does should matter and be considered foreshadowing.

Anderson says that, but Shepard says a lot of things that the ending just forgets about-pieces of Shepard's personality are thrown completely away.  EDI and the geth mean something, so that foreshadows a choice (destroy) that Shepard could not make-also, that you don't kill some people over here to save others over there-Shepard said that.  Shepard may cure the genophage, a story about the problems (horrors) of advancing a race beyond its readiness and about the wrong thing (inserting a foreign component into every person in that race) done to correct the first wrong thing.  The Collectors and Mordin's take on them further foreshadow Shepard's opinion on synthesis, a choice  a particular Shepard could not make.  TIM and Cerberus (Miranda too) is all about Control, a choice Shepard could not make because of how it crushes the spirit and that concept that it inevitably leads the person in control to become more megalomaniacal.  Remember, Miranda was under TIM's control in order to evade her father, and wanted to Control Shepard, but TIM did not because Shepard would not really then be Shepard, making authentic decisions.  The idea of indoctrination is all about control and its abuses.  That becomes something then that a particular Shepard could not choose.

And Shepard has many conversations with EDI, but one of them is about survival at any costs.  This is something that a Shepard would or should remember and words should mean something or they are just words.  EDI talks about a reaper detention camp where people are rounded up and then told they can capitulate and help the reapers.  She doesn't understand why very few did so because it would have saved their lives.  Shepard explains that it isn't always about just surviving.  This is when EDI decides that she would die for her friends if need be and Shepard says, "welcome to the crew".  That's an important moment when EDI really becomes alive.  People love to use this as an example of why they think it's ok to kill EDI in destroy-she offered to die if needed, but they forget what the rest of it says and it should matter.

Bottom line-you can pick out sentences that talk about certain things, but you have to also then look at the totality of it.  You can't say what Anderson said is important without also believing at least that what Shepard did and said (or could do and say) should also be important at the end.  If Shepard makes a choice, then Shepard never meant any of those things in my game.  And Anderson's words are less important than you think in the scheme of things.  When horrific things happen, people always wish for something to come along and fix it-some hope for a big all powerful bomb, some look to god, and some wish it was all a dream.  The idea that Anderson would say the Prothean beacon might contain something that could instantly wipe out the problems is just human nature.  The things Shepard does and says are a core part of his/her personality and should matter far more than a random hope.

[3DandBeyond]

One last bit of important after-shadowing that we get exists in the refuse ending. People love to say that refuse is just suicide and it means you're giving up. Well, no because refusing the choices doesn't mean Shepard can't still think the crucible would work as intended, as a weapon of some sort. To say it means suicide is to meta-game. And if you are meta-gaming Refuse you have to admit the choices are either a lie or just ill-advised. Refuse gives you all the information you need to know the choices will lead to problems because it shows you who the catalyst really is and it shows you that he wants you to choose one of them. He reveals himself and his intent in that "so be it" line. He is malevolent and he is revealed as being deceptive. Refuse gives you the clearest picture of what the choices are and what the catalyst is, people just refuse to see it.

[Massa FX]

3D I challenge you to make 1 sentence (no more than 8 word sentence) posts for the next 2 days.

Can s/he do it BSN?

[Jadebaby]

lol she, and I believe she could. I'm just amazed what started that rant lol. I love your second post though, that's also what was the inspiration for this theory. Not just Shepard's refuse speech, but they way the Catalyst acts. The 'so be it' line, while people just brush it off as nothing, it has to mean something, and it does. It shows he's deceptive and malevolent, this is the only real ending where the Catalyst gets upset, and you can't say it's because it wanted to end the cycles as shown at the start of the conversation, because it also openly admits that it's solution wont work anymore. So why just go "so be it, the cycle continues" when it would know that the precipice for change has already come?

If it's that stuck in it's programming that it can't even be open to another solution when all three choices present flaws then it is more flawed (as an intelligence) than those respective choices. Either that, or it's malevolent, as you said.

Also, funfact: remember this EDI quote?

"Moral decisions should not be made in a vacuum, if I don't ask the crew for their opinions, I may miss key context."

Funny that she uses the word vacuum. Applies to the ending on mutliple levels.

[DoomsdayDevice]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, funfact: remember this EDI quote?

"Moral decisions should not be made in a vacuum, if I don't ask the crew for their opinions, I may miss key context."

Funny that she uses the word vacuum. Applies to the ending on mutliple levels.

Yeah, but ask the crew for their opinions, and ever single one of them will support destroy.

I agree with you about the  "SO BE IT" though. It clearly shows he's dropping his guise, he's really something else, he's just posing as this innocent boy.

[Xilizhra]

lol she, and I believe she could. I'm just amazed what started that rant lol. I love your second post though, that's also what was the inspiration for this theory. Not just Shepard's refuse speech, but they way the Catalyst acts. The 'so be it' line, while people just brush it off as nothing, it has to mean something, and it does. It shows he's deceptive and malevolent, this is the only real ending where the Catalyst gets upset, and you can't say it's because it wanted to end the cycles as shown at the start of the conversation, because it also openly admits that it's solution wont work anymore. So why just go "so be it, the cycle continues" when it would know that the precipice for change has already come?

The Catalyst doesn't seem to be equipped to persuade, only to present options. I'm not sure why, but possibly it wants Shepard to make a decision of her own volition? Who can fathom that thing anyway? The point is, it's highly annoyed when Shepard refuses to find a new solution, because that means that it needs to keep on using a flawed solution because it's literally unable to do the best thing possible to control the issue it was built to control. Hence, it gets rid of the Crucible and Shepard because they're not going to be used, and it presumably repeats this with whomever makes it to its spot in the next cycle.

[shepskisaac]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Yeah, but ask the crew for their opinions, and ever single one of them will support destroy.

I agree with you about the  "SO BE IT" though. It clearly shows he's dropping his guise, he's really something else, he's just posing as this innocent boy.

There was actually an interesting and perfectly possible idea posted around the boards that the Crucible was actually designed to force the Catalyst to help whoever reaches that point (after it docks with the Citadel of course). In the leaked script, Catalyst said "if you don't use the Crucible, I will no longer be able to control the Reapers". That's not in the final game, but there's still "the Crucible changed me". So it does seem like the Crucible rewrities/modifies the Catalyst in some way. It would help a lot if just a bit more was said on this in future DLC. If the Crucible forces the Catalyst to obey and help Shep, then 'so be it' lol. If it makes him lose control over Reapers, thus he needs some kind of solution to Reaper issue (left without oversigning otherwise) then so be it. At the moment though, it's all still too uncertain to say for sure.

You could even explain it all that there's no "forcing" of the Catalyst to do anything by the Crucible, or making him lose control over the Reapers, but that he simply thinks his solution is not perfect because Shep is there, with the Crucible docked, and the solution may be ended in the next 5 seconds. The passing of information down the cycles broke the solution and the Catalyst underestimated it, and even if Shep doesn't succeed, the next cycle will (and Refuse shows that exactly that happens). So in his perspective, the solution really doesn't work anymore. ALthough in this context, why wouldn't he himself try to find a new solution? Why leave it to Shep? He rather clearly doesn't consider Shep better, his ego's too big ;P So yeah, the Crucible forcing him to comply fits everything. Including the ending in whic there's no Synthesis and he's clearly more pissed and rude to Shep, and yet still shows Shep what to do.

And of course, the speculation that Leviathans had key role in the Crucible's incorporation of the Catalyst fits it perfectly as well. They're the ones who created the Catalyst and who knew about it.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 29 décembre 2012 - 05:19 .

[Cadeym]

The Angry One wrote...

I think that if they actually have the gall to make us pay for the ending we should've had all along, the true ****storm has yet to begin.

The Angry One has it right. As much as I have complained since I completed ME3, I have only been mildly annoyed with BioWare. Chargin me for the only ending I actually wanted would most likely turn my dissatisfaction of BioWare into blind hatred.

Modifié par Mouseraider, 29 décembre 2012 - 05:33 .

[Jadebaby]

IsaacShep wrote...
There was actually an interesting and perfectly possible idea posted around the boards that the Crucible was actually designed to force the Catalyst to help whoever reaches that point (after it docks with the Citadel of course). In the leaked script, Catalyst said "if you don't use the Crucible, I will no longer be able to control the Reapers". That's not in the final game, but there's still "the Crucible changed me". So it does seem like the Crucible rewrities/modifies the Catalyst in some way. It would help a lot if just a bit more was said on this in future DLC. If the Crucible forces the Catalyst to obey and help Shep, then 'so be it' lol. If it makes him lose control over Reapers, thus he needs some kind of solution to Reaper issue (left without oversigning otherwise) then so be it. At the moment though, it's all still too uncertain to say for sure.

I like it, can't believe the thread slipped by me lol.

You could even explain it all that there's no "forcing" of the Catalyst to do anything by the Crucible, or making him lose control over the Reapers, but that he simply thinks his solution is not perfect because Shep is there, with the Crucible docked, and the solution may be ended in the next 5 seconds. The passing of information down the cycles broke the solution and the Catalyst underestimated it, and even if Shep doesn't succeed, the next cycle will (and Refuse shows that exactly that happens). So in his perspective, the solution really doesn't work anymore. ALthough in this context, why wouldn't he himself try to find a new solution? Why leave it to Shep? He rather clearly doesn't consider Shep better, his ego's too big ;P So yeah, the Crucible forcing him to comply fits everything. Including the ending in whic there's no Synthesis and he's clearly more pissed and rude to Shep, and yet still shows Shep what to do.

The reason he can't find another option is actually exactly one of the ways he is a flawed machine. It's called a False Dilemma or Flase Dichotomy fallacy. You've probably heard of it.

vivaladricas wrote...

Jade...BABY!!!!

Your fanfic is really good. Nice imagery as well as good dialogue.

Thank you!

I've been meaning to continue it and edited some of the dialogue sections to make it more descriptive but I haven't had the motivation lol.

[Jadebaby]

Mouseraider wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

I think that if they actually have the gall to make us pay for the ending we should've had all along, the true ****storm has yet to begin.

The Angry One has it right. As much as I have complained since I completed ME3, I have only been mildly annoyed with BioWare. Chargin me for the only ending I actually wanted would most likely turn my dissatisfaction of BioWare into blind hatred.

Business practice 101...


It's sad, but true, and besides, EA/BioWare have given enough charity through making the EC free and MP dlc free also... Or I'm sure they think so.

IMHO, Day 1 dlc is more of a pressing matter than this would be.

Lastly, and definitely not least. Who's to say it was planned? Obviously if they do the IT it could be assumed that it was planned. But a successful refuse could just be a result of nerdrage over the ending. A great thing that I'd be willing to pay for.

I like TAO, and I usually agree with her posts, but as a realist she should realise that EAWare aren't going to do it all.

"I'll come halfway to you, but you'll have to come halfway to me."

[Jadebaby]

Oh and this

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Also, funfact: remember this EDI quote?

"Moral decisions should not be made in a vacuum, if I don't ask the crew for their opinions, I may miss key context."

Funny that she uses the word vacuum. Applies to the ending on mutliple levels.

Yeah, but ask the crew for their opinions, and ever single one of them will support destroy.

I agree with you about the  "SO BE IT" though. It clearly shows he's dropping his guise, he's really something else, he's just posing as this innocent boy.

Yes, they all tell that you should destroy the Reapers, but that doesn't mean you have to use the destroy option to do it. Shepard's refuse speech signals what her intentions are, she's just not going to sacrifice an entire species to do it. Which just proves the Catayst's logic correct to those that do choose destroy, because they obviously don't care enough about synthetics to actually value their lives.

Which is also "exactly" where Javik and the Leviathan's original thralls screwed up, because they only saw them as tools. Nothing more.

But not everyone thinks that way, and not everyone in Mass Effect thinks that way, evident in the Quarians killing each other in the Morning War because some of them sided with the Geth.

If more people felt that way, then there could be peace. Especially now since Geth have individual sentience so are extremely less likely to rebel in number. Which is something that no other cycle has had before.

[Massa FX]

One thing refuse peeps: BW's original ending did not have a refuse. It only showed up after fan outcry and demand. BW didn't put any meaning in the fourth option. Refuse is like the destroy breathe scene. Meaningless but for some, a positive outcome.

I seriously do not believe BW realized how fan reaction to every nuance of their cobbled hurried How About Doing This? discussions-> release of new content in EC, would be over analyzed and reanalysed and bickered over and over again.

They painted themselves into a corner, and we are stuck trying to rationalize what was done. There is no solution. There is only speculation based on meaningless variables and crazy infallible BW logic.

In other words... Shepard got f***ed and theres no reasonable reason for what was done. 

edited after post

Modifié par Massa FX, 29 décembre 2012 - 06:14 .

[Pascal219]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

I can't believe it, I actually missed your post entirely. Which is made even worse by the fact it's exactly the kind of speculation I was looking for!

Haha, it was the holidays! 

That's how I saw it kind of, because Priestly and other forum peeps were denying stuff that might not be correct. And even Priestly said "plans change".

So let's look at it then...

The loss of life on our homeworlds makes it easy to believe that this moment is the end of the world or the end of the galaxy, (That these endings are the end of Mass Effect, the end of Shepard) but I cannot believe that. Since time was first recorded, there have been thousands of supposed prophets telling myths about when the end will come, (Forum staff saying that it is over etc...) and they have all been proven wrong. (He also denied MP dlc and Kasumi dlc among other things) We will make it through this, too… but it will be a fight to get there. (speculations!)

I think it's also worth noting here that in the first two paragraphs, it makes it seem like it was a significant hit on the Reapers. This would seem like any other operation success, however one variable must be taken into account.

The operations were set on EARTH! If we can be hitting back at the epiccentre of this galactic war. Then we must be doing a LOT right!

He denied those? Damn. I wasn't actively around here back then, so I only knew about the multiplayer DLC. Well I suppose this only points him out more and more a ''supposed'' prophet. We should just never believe anything he says or at least never take him at face value. 

Concerning the fact that these operations were on Earth we are doing alot right! I agree with you on that. So would this seem this operation would take place more near the end of the game?

If it is free I will eat my own BSN profile. I don't know how, but I'll find a way. They already did the EC and the MP dlc is arguably fanservice too (I say arguably because I believe it's a tactic to lure people in because they make more money off people's impatience and greed with those microtransactions anyway).

Oh good lord! Now I wish there would be a free ending just to see you try that! Take pictures! 

I haven't given in to the microtransactions yet! Just making sure I never have enough points on my account! 

Though I suppose it is far more likely they will continue this DLC cycle to bridge to ME4, which will definitely finish the fight. And I agree it would be cool way to introduce the next protagonist! Maybe even, if some parts of the indoctrination theory hold true, your Shepard could be an indoctrinated antagonist!

I'm with Operating Wookie on this. The only way I'd want IT is if Shepard just wakes up and kicks the Reapers ass via using "the real crucible" or by just doing it some other way *shrugs*.

Regardless of what happens there, I don't think there will be any bridging of stories between the two. They will either be one directly after the other (what vivaladricas said in "finishing the real fight" or they will be a signifcant time apart,
like 100-200 years.

I'm still a fence sitter if it come to the IT, mostly because if they are going that route they will be pissing people of that chose control or synthesis. And I can't imagine them doing that. 

I suppose the most likely scenario is an expansion of some kind releasing next year? Perhaps around ME3's first anniversary? 

But I'm going a bit off my point here, so wouldn't ending the story in ME4 feel the same way like a paid DLC? ME3 has no real ending and you have to buy another game to see the end?

That's actually a pretty good point, but I'd be too happy to get another 50 hours with these characters to even consider feeling screwed over.

You're right it would be the same for me! I just love this universe, which is why I care so much. And why the ending feels so bitter. 

To be honest, Mass Effect came along the right time in my life. I was going through some of the most dark and depressing days of my life.. ME though me of hope and the strength of friendship and what the will to act can accomplish. I'm more than a just a fan, but maybe that just sounds sad? I've more than once heard people say it's only a game! Well not to me, it carries great meaning for me. I probably wouldn't have been around anymore if not for Mass Effect. 

Okay, personal rant over. 

By the way, just read your fanfic too... it's great! Do you write alot? 

[shepskisaac]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

The reason he can't find another option is actually exactly one of the ways he is a flawed machine. It's called a False Dilemma or Flase Dichotomy fallacy. You've probably heard of it.

But he was always a flawed machine. I just don't think it fits this kind of a AI character to just stop trying to follow its directive (in this case of finding the solution to the problem he was pogrammed to believe in to exist). 

[Jadebaby]

Massa FX wrote...

One thing refuse peeps: BW's original ending did not have a refuse. It only showed up after fan outcry and demand. BW didn't put any meaning in the fourth option. Refuse is like the destroy breathe scene. Meaningless but for some, a positive outcome.

I seriously do not believe BW realized how fan reaction to every nuance of their cobbled hurried How About Doing This? discussions-> release of new content in EC, would be over analyzed and reanalysed and bickered over and over again.

They painted themselves into a corner, and we are stuck trying to rationalize what was done. There is no solution. There is only speculation based on meaningless variables and crazy infallible BW logic.

In other words... Shepard got f***ed and theres no reasonable reason for what was done. 

edited after post

I agree, but that's what I meant in my post. If they do do a successful refuse, it could be that ending based off fan feedback, in which case. It wasn't planned. IT is more of a grey area because while they could have planned it all alone, they could also have adopted it after seeing the threads about it. Imo, I think if they do a successful refuse, they could also make that choice a type of indoctrination resistance as well.

IsaacShep wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

The reason he can't find another option is actually exactly one of the ways he is a flawed machine. It's called a False Dilemma or Flase Dichotomy fallacy. You've probably heard of it.

But he was always a flawed machine. I just don't think it fits this kind of a AI character to just stop trying to follow its directive (in this case of finding the solution to the problem he was pogrammed to believe in to exist).

Yea, that's true, and in that light it's really kind of tragic that it's programming is so flawed. Especially when he was created by *the* apex race of the galaxy.

The problem with it is, (kind of reiterating what I said before) that if the created will always rebel against it's creators. It's because the creators are treating the created not as a valid lifeform but as a tool.

*This* is the flaw. EDI rebelled against TIM, what did TIM say in the datafiles on Cronos station about her?

The Quarians trying to nip off all the Geth because they didn't want them to have valid life, they wanted them for tools. Though some Quarians sympathized with the Geth and were treated as traitors.

Now, if the Geth stayed as a joined consensus then it's more arguable that they could be mass corrupted and turn. But post-Rannoch they attain individual sentience. In which case it's near impossible to create a mass rebellion via corrupting their programming. (I feel I should make another thread about this...)

[Jadebaby]

Pascal219 wrote...

The operations were set on EARTH! If we can be hitting back at the epiccentre of this galactic war. Then we must be doing a LOT right!

He denied those? Damn. I wasn't actively around here back then, so I only knew about the multiplayer DLC. Well I suppose this only points him out more and more a ''supposed'' prophet. We should just never believe anything he says or at least never take him at face value. 

He is a community manager, he has no reason to tell us the truth, his job is to maintain the peace. If that means lying then that's what he'll do. Take everything he says with a grain of salt. However, this doesn't make him a bad person, if you ask him anything on a personal level he will be very honest and open with you. Ask him anything about the game from an objective standpoint.  Chris Priestly comes out to play.

Concerning the fact that these operations were on Earth we are doing alot right! I agree with you on that. So would this seem this operation would take place more near the end of the game?

Honestly, I think so... The operation before was about a diversion on Menae. That's exactly what happened in the Miracle on Palaven. Which is fairly close to the end of the game (IIRC).

Pascal219 wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...
If it is free I will eat my own BSN profile. I don't know how, but I'll find a way. They already did the EC and the MP dlc is arguably fanservice too (I say arguably because I believe it's a tactic to lure people in because they make more money off people's impatience and greed with those microtransactions anyway).

Oh good lord! Now I wish there would be a free ending just to see you try that! Take pictures! 

I haven't given in to the microtransactions yet! Just making sure I never have enough points on my account!

I'm guilty of succumbing once or twice, but I didn't get anything (luckily) so i learnt quickly to not do it again lol.

Pascal219 wrote...
I'm still a fence sitter if it come to the IT, mostly because if they are going that route they will be pissing people of that chose control or synthesis. And I can't imagine them doing that.

I suppose the most likely scenario is an expansion of some kind releasing next year? Perhaps around ME3's first anniversary?

Me too, IT was my first interpretation before the EC, but I struggled to see how EC fit the interpretation and some of the people in the thread weren't very open-minded about expanding the belief so I thought of another theory, and here we are. So I guess I owe a lot to them for this. But as a theory I still love it and if they made it how it originally was, (wake up after destroy) I would be very happy with it. I have no personal agenda here, just to find the truth that's all

Pascal wrote...
You're right it would be the same for me! I just love this universe, which is why I care so much. And why the ending feels so bitter.

I agree. It lacks a climax and makes heroism nihilistic.

Pascal219 wrote...
To be honest, Mass Effect came along the right time in my life. I was going through some of the most dark and depressing days of my life.. ME though me of hope and the strength of friendship and what the will to act can accomplish. I'm more than a just a fan, but maybe that just sounds sad? I've more than once heard people say it's only a game! Well not to me, it carries great meaning for me. I probably wouldn't have been around anymore if not for Mass Effect. 

I can empathize with that, it did for me also. It was an escape, but a great escape because I'd take what I learnt through that universe back to my own life to help myself be a stronger and better person. (Playing paragon here lol)

I also agree that it's not just a game. Call Of Duty is just a game, Battlefield and Medal Of Honour are just games.

Mass Effect is an experience.

By the way, just read your fanfic too... it's great! Do you write alot? 

No actually, never... But thank you!

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 29 décembre 2012 - 09:24 .

[dorktainian]

heres one for puzzle conspiritors.

Star Brat.  ''I have no time to explain''

why doesnt he have time? Is there something going to happen shortly that star brat cannot stop (ie the gun firing?) making shepard appear to choose, but it was never his choice in the first place?

Modifié par dorktainian, 29 décembre 2012 - 10:39 .

[jojon2se]

Hmm, *crazy speculation hat on* maybe it IS firing (EDIT: ...without additional fireworks) and slowly burning him away and he's trying to trick you into sabotaging it in any one of three ways, to save himself?

Destroy: blow up a coolant pipe for what turns out to be a focusing fixture for the beam.
Control: Short circuit a spark gap directly to earth to overload the apparatus.
Synthesis: Become a smudge on a big optical focusing lens further down the fixture, causing it to overheat and crack.

Modifié par jojon2se, 29 décembre 2012 - 11:07 .

[Jadebaby]

dorktainian wrote...

heres one for puzzle conspiritors.

Star Brat. ''I have no time to explain''

why doesnt he have time? Is there something going to happen shortly that star brat cannot stop (ie the gun firing?) making shepard appear to choose, but it was never his choice in the first place?

I'm assuming you mean when asking about the Crucible?

"You would not know them, and there is no time to explain."

What I find interesting is the actual devices for the choices are attached to the Citadel itself, and the Catalyst CLEARLY states that Shepard is the first organic to reach that point.

So what's he hiding?

jojon2se wrote...
Hmm, *crazy speculation hat on* maybe it IS firing (EDIT: ...without additional fireworks) and slowly burning him away and he's trying to trick you into sabotaging it in any one of three ways, to save himself?

Destroy: blow up a coolant pipe for what turns out to be a focusing fixture for the beam.
Control: Short circuit a spark gap directly to earth to overload the apparatus.
Synthesis: Become a smudge on a big optical focusing lens further down the fixture, causing it to overheat and crack.

I LOVE THIS! It gives Dorktainian's speculation a reason of why he's trying to hurry you! And makes even more sense because that would mean those devices were created by the Reapers as a failsafe in case the Crucible's plans still existed and a cycle managed to get it created and put in place. Which also holds weight with "the first organic to do so."

Also, it would mean that when Shepard passes out, maybe it's because if she had of reached the control panel, she would have realised that the Crucible is already working and that there was no reason to do anything, just wait.

Lastly, it also gives great meaning to the fact that if you dawdle around too much on the Catalyst platform the Crucible gets destroyed by the Reapers....

I don't think it's as much a "tin-foil hat" idea as you think. Unless I'm just a crazy person lol which is more probable I think lol.

[Fur28]

  this feels like the right place to post this picture i found called "Ending 4"

Modifié par Fur28, 31 décembre 2012 - 05:52 .

[Jadebaby]

Fur28 wrote...

  this feels like the right place to post this picture i found called "Ending 4"

OH MY GOD! WHERE DID YOU FIND THIS!?

I love it! But he needs to be transparent.. I'm against violence against children...

[BansheeOwnage]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Fur28 wrote...

  this feels like the right place to post this picture i found called "Ending 4"

OH MY GOD! WHERE DID YOU FIND THIS!?

I love it! But he needs to be transparent.. I'm against violence against children...

But not violence against adults?

Awesome picture though.

Modifié par BansheeOwnage, 31 décembre 2012 - 06:54 .