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[Confederate Republic]

After a playthrough as a Warrior I'm really looking to do a Rogue build. I personally prefer to play as humans, and the only Human Rogues are Nobles. Initially I wasn't thinking this could work Roleplay wise, since I couldn't think up a reason why a Human Noble would be a Rogue, but I did come up with one possibly scenario.

A Human Noble Rogue who strongly sympathizes with the lower-class population of Ferelden (Be them Humans, Elves, or Dwarves) , and has seen the corruption in much of the Nobility. He never was really fit for ruling or diplomacy, and would prefer to work in the shadows then in public. He spent most of life in Highever, never attending noble gatherings or balls. Very curious by nature, he studied heavily in mechanics and sneaking, and took his martial skills to swordmanship and dualing. Often sneaking out at night to give to the less fortunate, and often taking solace among the lower class, where he could forget about the duties and pressure of the Terynir. Despite his dislike of the nobility, he still strongly loved his family, and was close with the servents in the Castle.

He would primarily be focused on Lockpicking, Trap Detecting, Stealth, Stealing, and Dualing. It would enable me to do the Slim Couldry quests, all of which involve stealing from nobles such as Arl Howe, Loghain, and the lady in the Market who calls you "Churl". I could easily see him having a reputation as sort of a Robin Hood among the peasent class, hence why Slim would know him.

He'd still definitaly be a "Good guy" more or less, and very compassionite, and give what he can away whenever possible (Such as to Bella and Kaitlyn in Redcliffe). He would never do a crime involving hurting an innocent, so he'd stay away from the "Interested Parties" quests. He'd break the law when it would allow him to help someone, but also enforces it to keep violent criminals off the streets.

So, essentially I'm wondering if any of you could see this as being plausible or not, and what you think of the idea overall.

[gandanlin]

I'm not sure if you have played through the Human Noble/Rogue origin story yet, but that will add some elements to the motivations and personality of the character you are playing.

Rogue builds go well with dual wield and archery talents, though I still always seem to choose Leliana to be the main lockpicker/trap disarmer/stealer. Her high cunning, and the bonuses she gets to cunning with good leadership, seem to lead to that choice. But the option build the main character that way is always open. Whatever feels right.

Modifié par gandanlin, 13 juillet 2012 - 09:28 .

[Endurium]

Your RP idea is very similar to that of Nalia from Baldur's Gate 2. She is a noble who likes to sneak out of her castle to hang around commoners, so she has a few rogue skills. Nothing like a master thief, but it fits your idea a bit.

Many nobles were dishonest so there's no shame in being a rogue of noble blood. Could be the dashing rogue with a silver tongue who lifts peoples' belongings while they marvel at his manners. He does it not for riches, since he already has wealth, but for the thrill.

Have fun with it!

Modifié par Endurium, 13 juillet 2012 - 10:38 .

[gds76]

A Human Noble Rogue works better than a dwarven noble imo. It wouldn't be that strange for your mother to keep you out of the fighting whenever possible, considering you are the younger son. A young HN could've learned to pick locks and stealth by sneaking around the castle a lot. Also Rogues in DA:O are more "Adventurers" than actual thieves or the like. A full Dex rogue with the duellist spec (even without) can take most if not all warriors in the game head on.

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[SteffiSyndrom]

Confederate Republic wrote...

After a playthrough as a Warrior I'm really looking to do a Rogue build. I personally prefer to play as humans, and the only Human Rogues are Nobles. Initially I wasn't thinking this could work Roleplay wise, since I couldn't think up a reason why a Human Noble would be a Rogue, but I did come up with one possibly scenario.

A Human Noble Rogue who strongly sympathizes with the lower-class population of Ferelden (Be them Humans, Elves, or Dwarves) , and has seen the corruption in much of the Nobility. He never was really fit for ruling or diplomacy, and would prefer to work in the shadows then in public. He spent most of life in Highever, never attending noble gatherings or balls. Very curious by nature, he studied heavily in mechanics and sneaking, and took his martial skills to swordmanship and dualing. Often sneaking out at night to give to the less fortunate, and often taking solace among the lower class, where he could forget about the duties and pressure of the Terynir. Despite his dislike of the nobility, he still strongly loved his family, and was close with the servents in the Castle.

He would primarily be focused on Lockpicking, Trap Detecting, Stealth, Stealing, and Dualing. It would enable me to do the Slim Couldry quests, all of which involve stealing from nobles such as Arl Howe, Loghain, and the lady in the Market who calls you "Churl". I could easily see him having a reputation as sort of a Robin Hood among the peasent class, hence why Slim would know him.

He'd still definitaly be a "Good guy" more or less, and very compassionite, and give what he can away whenever possible (Such as to Bella and Kaitlyn in Redcliffe). He would never do a crime involving hurting an innocent, so he'd stay away from the "Interested Parties" quests. He'd break the law when it would allow him to help someone, but also enforces it to keep violent criminals off the streets.

So, essentially I'm wondering if any of you could see this as being plausible or not, and what you think of the idea overall.

Reminds me a little of Tallis from DA2.
I think your idea is a really good one! You thought it through very neatly and I like at a lot. Very appealing!

[Dunfalach]

Endurium wrote...

Your RP idea is very similar to that of Nalia from Baldur's Gate 2. She is a noble who likes to sneak out of her castle to hang around commoners, so she has a few rogue skills. Nothing like a master thief, but it fits your idea a bit.

Many nobles were dishonest so there's no shame in being a rogue of noble blood. Could be the dashing rogue with a silver tongue who lifts peoples' belongings while they marvel at his manners. He does it not for riches, since he already has wealth, but for the thrill.

Have fun with it!

For an example of this in a light-hearted style, albeit without the medieval and combat aspects, look up the character A. J. Raffles. He's the lead of a British series about a gentleman cricket player who also happens to be a kleptomaniac genius thief. He steals mostly to prove that he can get away with it. 

[valerie1972]

Dunfalach wrote...

Endurium wrote...

Your RP idea is very similar to that of Nalia from Baldur's Gate 2. She is a noble who likes to sneak out of her castle to hang around commoners, so she has a few rogue skills. Nothing like a master thief, but it fits your idea a bit.

Many nobles were dishonest so there's no shame in being a rogue of noble blood. Could be the dashing rogue with a silver tongue who lifts peoples' belongings while they marvel at his manners. He does it not for riches, since he already has wealth, but for the thrill.

Have fun with it!

For an example of this in a light-hearted style, albeit without the medieval and combat aspects, look up the character A. J. Raffles. He's the lead of a British series about a gentleman cricket player who also happens to be a kleptomaniac genius thief. He steals mostly to prove that he can get away with it. 

Also sounds like Thomas Crowne from The Thomas Crowne Affair.  One of the richest guys in the world, iirc, but steals high-profile targets mostly to prove to himself that he can, and keep at bay the ennui of being stupidly rich.

In the human noble origin, which I've played more than is probably healthy, there is definitely no stigma attached to being a rogue amongst the nobility.  Nathaniel Howe, in Awakenings, is a rogue, as is his father Arl Rendon Howe, in Origins, although Rendon isn't an especially good example of being honorable.   Assuming that those in the Landsmeet wearing medium armor are rogues and those wearing heavy and massive are warriors, Bann Alfstanna of Waking Sea is a rogue, as is Arl Wulff of West Hills. Duncan is also a rogue and is shown during Ostagar to be a pretty straightforward warrior when needed.  King Maric was also a rogue, but his background as a rebel prince makes that pretty logical.

The idea that someone else suggested about taking up being a rogue because you are the second child and unlikely to become teyrn isn't 100% solid, though.  In your conversation with Dairren, he tells you that general consensus amongst the nobility is that you're more suited, and more likely, to become teyrn than Fergus, even though Fergus is considered a quite a competent warrior.  Ferelden seems to be sort of mixed on whether strict primogeniture is the hereditary model, especially given that another thing you can learn in conversation is that Bryce Cousland almost became king instead of Cailian.

Even in DA2, Sebastian Vael, Prince of Starkhaven, tells you in his origin story that he is a rogue because as the youngest son it was his responsibility to lead the militias, and being a warrior means that you get (gasp!) HIT WITH THINGS A LOT.  So he became an archer like his grandfather.

[DeathScepter]

you can have several different types of Rogues but All Rogues do rely on cunning regardless of their personal ethics or lack there of.

[Roland The Great]

This is a Historical post about the Rogue Human Charter. When Dragon Age first came out before the patches. The Rogue story was much different. You could choose Noble or Commoner born. If you choose Commoner you would appear in Denirum as a poor person and your sister was in debt like the now commoner Dwarf story. You did several jobs of stealing for the boss who was at the place the other guy now stands in the Market. To get your quests from if you are a Rogue now. This story line was dropped after the programmer that put it in stopped working for them. No one could fix his code so they dropped the Story Line. It was an interesting diversion to the Rogue Human. After you fail to rescue your sister from the boss Duncan appears to conscript you. This is the very first production of Dragon Age. Not the now commercial version and end product. It was a beta version or a prelim to the launch that was given out on the very first production.

Modifié par Roland The Great, 22 novembre 2012 - 01:59 .

[Major Crackhead]

This is pretty plausible, actually. My first Dragon Age character was also a Human Noble Rogue and I played him as the "Chaotic Good" type.