There are only few things I dislike about combat in DA. I think combat here is very well thought out and balanced overall. But one thing annoys me a bit. You can change your equipment any time during battles and those changes are immediate, there is no "equipment exchange" or something like that appearing on the order line. It is kind of strange because when you need to use a potion for instance, it is taken as an order and it takes a short while before it is executed (i.e. the potion is drunk). I do not understand much why changing equipment takes no time whatsoever, it seems to me almost like cheating... The point is that I should have prepared the needed equipment prior to fighting so if I would like to replace it with something else in the course of a battle this whole operation is supposed to take some time, right (a longer time than drinking up a potion, obviously)? If a potion use is considered an order I find it very logical that equipment replacement should work that way as well. Does anybody think this could be fixed by a mod, maybe? Thanks for your ideas.
One such combat annoyance/simplification
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Martanek
, déc. 16 2009 11:33
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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 01:22
Kevin Lynch
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I agree that it's odd in the scheme of what else can be done. However, since I do not change any equipment in combat (even switching weapon slots is done incredibly rarely, usually with only a rogue from bow to melee), it doesn't have any effect on me and I probably wouldn't have thought about it if you didn't mention it.
Do people change major equipment often in combat?
Do people change major equipment often in combat?
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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 01:30
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Do people change major equipment often in combat?
Armor, no.
Weapon, yes.
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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 12:06
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As for me, I try to accomodate my equipment based on how combat is proceeding. So I change weapon sets now and then. A typical situation is when a lot archers emerge on the battlefield and I need to react quickly to that by equipping a bow. But sometimes I even replace my current armor because some armor grants useful bonuses, e.g. when my tank is suddenly overrun by a lot of enemies and I know I will need enough stamina then I have him outfitted with a stamina-regeneration armor (so he can perform vital abilities, such as Critical strike or Two-handed sweep) and other times I just let him wear his "+12 defense heavy armor". I think if equipment replacement were considered a standard order (just like using a potion) it would certainly add to the battle suspense and tactical calculation. So I wonder if somebody is on the same wave and if somebody skilled in modding would be able to fix this with an appropriate mod.
P.S. Only once have I noticed that changing equipment (weapons) is considered an order. A long time ago (when he was still alive:-)) I set Zevran's tactics to "change to melee when attacked" or something like this. And during one battle he got melee-attacked and I saw "weapon exchange" (This may not be accurate because I play the game in Czech) on his order line. So in this case DA understands it as an order. Interesting...
P.S. Only once have I noticed that changing equipment (weapons) is considered an order. A long time ago (when he was still alive:-)) I set Zevran's tactics to "change to melee when attacked" or something like this. And during one battle he got melee-attacked and I saw "weapon exchange" (This may not be accurate because I play the game in Czech) on his order line. So in this case DA understands it as an order. Interesting...
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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 12:20
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I've never changed anything during combat. I guess it's more of a roleplay thing than anything else.
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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 12:40
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Kevin Lynch wrote...
I agree that it's odd in the scheme of what else can be done. However, since I do not change any equipment in combat (even switching weapon slots is done incredibly rarely, usually with only a rogue from bow to melee), it doesn't have any effect on me and I probably wouldn't have thought about it if you didn't mention it.
Do people change major equipment often in combat?
Yes they do when they aim for maximum efficiency.
Every respectable MMO has a way of changing equipment IC fast and easy. I know this is not MMO but combat mechanics are very similar, yet the way to change equipment is ultimatively clumsy. I know there is pause option, but why even prolonge the pause time? Switching from melee to ranged combat when kitting should be a fast option for example.
For the type of player who wants to get the most out of combat changing equipment has a major effect indeed.
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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 01:07
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Well, you can self-restrict yourself from exploiting that, so it's not that big of an issue.
To me something else is infinately more annoying: The fact that PCs and NPCs can freely pass through each other in combat. You put that large fighter in the doorway so that he can hold everyone inside/outside, right? No. The enemies will pass right next to him/through him like he even isn't there. Same if you wanted to block the access to a mage in the back.
Positioning should be a key tactical aspect of this game!
To me something else is infinately more annoying: The fact that PCs and NPCs can freely pass through each other in combat. You put that large fighter in the doorway so that he can hold everyone inside/outside, right? No. The enemies will pass right next to him/through him like he even isn't there. Same if you wanted to block the access to a mage in the back.
Positioning should be a key tactical aspect of this game!
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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 01:15
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Martanek wrote...
As for me, I try to accomodate my equipment based on how combat is proceeding. So I change weapon sets now and then. A typical situation is when a lot archers emerge on the battlefield and I need to react quickly to that by equipping a bow. But sometimes I even replace my current armor because some armor grants useful bonuses, e.g. when my tank is suddenly overrun by a lot of enemies and I know I will need enough stamina then I have him outfitted with a stamina-regeneration armor (so he can perform vital abilities, such as Critical strike or Two-handed sweep) and other times I just let him wear his "+12 defense heavy armor". I think if equipment replacement were considered a standard order (just like using a potion) it would certainly add to the battle suspense and tactical calculation. So I wonder if somebody is on the same wave and if somebody skilled in modding would be able to fix this with an appropriate mod.
P.S. Only once have I noticed that changing equipment (weapons) is considered an order. A long time ago (when he was still alive:-)) I set Zevran's tactics to "change to melee when attacked" or something like this. And during one battle he got melee-attacked and I saw "weapon exchange" (This may not be accurate because I play the game in Czech) on his order line. So in this case DA understands it as an order. Interesting...
With this in mind, instead of weapon sets, armor sets would be more appropriate I guess.
No sense in wearing +5% ranged crit chance gear when you're backstabbing or backstabbing bonus gloves when you're shooting arrows.
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Posté 17 décembre 2009 - 02:22
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To Gracchio:
Yes, I understand your point but what we're discussing here is being able to react to how a particular battle develops – in this case – by changing equipment. You can never be fully prepared for what's going on during a battle as combat is usually dynamic. My point here is that changing equipment should be considered an action/order so to make it harder for the player to exploit the current state when you can freely go into your inventory, outfit yourself with a new weapon/armor and there is no prolongation of such an action in combat. It seems to me like cheating, really. To me, it is just logical that if I want to access my inventory during fighting I should be "penalized" for it in a form of an order – it works that way with potions and I believe it should work equally with changing equipment/entering the inventory. Any further ideas?
Yes, I understand your point but what we're discussing here is being able to react to how a particular battle develops – in this case – by changing equipment. You can never be fully prepared for what's going on during a battle as combat is usually dynamic. My point here is that changing equipment should be considered an action/order so to make it harder for the player to exploit the current state when you can freely go into your inventory, outfit yourself with a new weapon/armor and there is no prolongation of such an action in combat. It seems to me like cheating, really. To me, it is just logical that if I want to access my inventory during fighting I should be "penalized" for it in a form of an order – it works that way with potions and I believe it should work equally with changing equipment/entering the inventory. Any further ideas?
