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[BatmanPWNS]

Personally, I think Talia was just using him and Bane was the one who loved her.

[Godak]

[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Something I do not understand at all, esp since Alfred fears for his life.
The way I see it, it's just poorly attempted drama for the sake of it.

[/quote]

Wouldn't him staying signal to Bruce some level of support? Alfred doesn't have any cards to play. He wants to save him, but he cannot do anything physically, so he hits him emotionally. A low blow? Perhaps. But that's all he has. He played his hand, and it failed.

Personally, I don't see it as too dramatic. Bruce was hot-headed, anxious to reclaim his place as Gotham's protector. He was also going up against his most dangerous enemy yet completely unprepared. He knew Ra's al Ghul. He took his time investigating the mob and the Joker in TDK. Here, he runs in pretty blind. I wouldn't expect my father to react much differently if I were to do something so stupid. Yes, he constantly supports my endeavors now - but none of them are something I am completely unprepared for. If I was ever in a position where I was ready to rush towards a life-or-death situation without preparing, I darn well hope he'd do everything in his power to make me realize my idiocy.

Although, I see me injecting some of my own personal experience in here. They would likely have done something similar to Alfred, so I feel it's believable.

Grr. Subjectivity.

[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Goes back to how we understand Batman and Bruce. For me, Bruce is the mask and Batman is the real person. Batman can't stop being batman. But I am not criticizing Nolan's series in that regard, it was consistent. [/quote]

And I completely understand that it can be frustrating to see a character who you care about deeply to be messed with. I also think it's pretty cool how you can appreciate the films without feeling infuriated, or slighted, etc.

[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Perhaps you misunderstood me. That's precisely what I am saying. Believing that Batman cannot be exposed requires our suspension of disbelief. But when you can make a random dude expose him as kid easily well it's no longer consistent and we can no longer pretend to believe that no one can find out. [/quote]

Oh! Okay. Then I think we agree. While the intent was likely to say, "HE IS SMARTER AND MORE DETECTIVE THAN ALL OF THE PEOPLE!" it came across as the entirety of the world being incredibly unqualified as logical human beings.

[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I disagree, I think Batman was a complete character by Begins more or less and TDK and TDKR did not add much to his character, views and motivations. For Blake, well other than he is an orphan and just a nice guy, there is not that much to his origin.[/quote]

I thought of Bruce changing dramatically from BB to the end of TDK, and even more so by the time of DKR.

In Begins, his Batman is almost a tribute to Rachel's words - actions define us. He takes an active stance as Batman by fighting the criminals and corruption that plague the city, while also taking an active role in Wayne Enterprises by appointing a more capable man, Lucius Fox, as acting President. While he does put on false airs while acting as "Bruce Wayne, Playboy Billionaire," he also realizes that he can use the company for philanthropic causes, much his parents did.

In The Dark Knight, he slowly becomes more consumed by the Batman persona. His willingness to direct resources from the company to his own personal use becomes more blatant, leading to his identity being discovered by an accountant. In many ways, he has become completely reliant on Batman as a personal crutch - the Joker even makes a comment on how it must be so hard to have so much strength, but nothing against the Joker to threaten him with. Rachel, the ever-two-dimensional love interest, comments on her belief that Bruce will always need Batman.

In Rises, we see how the over-reliance on Batman has caused Bruce to slip into something of a vegetative state. Why he is still technically a perfectly functional human being, he no longer takes part in any of Wayne Enterprises' business. He shuts himself away from the rest of the world, largely waiting for an opportunity for Batman to be needed. In Batman Begins, he would be joyous at the notion of Gotham being largely safe and secure. His job would be done, and he could continue utilizing his personal wealth to better the city. Instead, he spends eight years alone while the world moves on, his fortune dwindling, doing no good for the world. This is a man who has no self-worth outside of a cape and a costume.

[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Bane said he is doing all this because despair can't exist without hope. He just wants false hope before destroying Gotham. I'd say that pretty sadistic and not level headed, compared to Ras.[/quote]

That is what he said. However, we later learn that he is merely devoted to Talia absolutely. She wishes to bring her father's justice to Gotham, while simulataenously ensuring her revenge. Bane follows her lead. He is not the master mind behind the plan, and he has no stake in the fight beyond completing Talia's outlined tasks.

[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...

How? Bane had a 5 month time bomb that he had no reason to delay. His goal is to destory Gotham, why wait 5 months and pull off a sham pointless revolution? [/quote]

Because Talia said so. She wanted Bruce to suffer in The Pit while watching all of his work amount to nothing.

I'm not saying I LIKE this (again, my hate for movie-Talia is most severe - I cannot emphasize this enough), but it is what happened in the movie.

[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Talia does not have to be the mastermind. She can be the co-conspirator or simply the one who will detonate the bomb should Bane's plan fail. [/quote]

I would be fine with her in that plot. Have her infiltrate Wayne Enterprises. Perhaps there can be a phone call or two where she is talking in a foreign language to an "associate" (Bane). It would make her betrayal more believable, and less sudden. Perhaps to hammer in the point, when Gordon is dragged down to see Bane, Bane is communicating with someone. Tate's betrayal in the movie was too heavy-handed.

[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...

As for what she would add, she would show an emotional side of Bane. Bane in the comics had a teddy bear best friend. Baby Talia could have been that teddy bear.[/quote]

I almost feel that his emotional side could be better demonstrated by in-mates of The Pit. Perhaps several men could recollect his child-hood with fondness, but become more and more severe as Bane grows older, reflecting a slow corruption of innocence?

[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Furthermore, if Bane was rejected by Ras to be his heir because of Talia and his beliefs which led to Ras seeking Bruce as a potential heir, it would have added more to the rivalry between the two.[/quote]

I thought something similar would happen while watching, actually. Once it was mentioned that he was part of the League, I was absolutely convinced that Ra's had decided that Bruce would be his successor over Bane. Bane could be Ra's child, angered by his father's betrayal, but even more furious over Bruce's. He would go to Gotham for two reasons - to beat Batman to prove his superiority, and to succeed where his father had failed, proving his right to lead the League of Shadows.

That is not what happened.
 

[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Good point.
Still, that's way too many characters to do right. I feel Blake is more necessary than Selina, who could have been removed. I understand that she brings a new love interest to Bruce, but I would have preferred the ending to be less happy and more ambiguous. I would have preferred if we don't know whether Bruce can live without Batman or not. But that said, I am a fan of the bittersweet. [/quote]

I think that it COULD have been just one, but it may have simply been too hard of a decision to make. Their decision to include both was a risk that just did not pay off. Were the movie longer (unlikely, to say the least) it may have worked better.

An ambiguous ending would have been interesting. Nolan may be reluctant, though, what with Inception being fairly recent.


[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...

To a certain extent yes, I do. But even for the story he wanted to tell, it was not as well done as it could have been and I think we agree. [/quote]

Yes. There are things I would have changed. Things that I think should be changed, but, alas, the world has not yet smartened up to bowing to my every whim.

While I may not have the same opinions as you, I think constructive criticism of any medium is always good. You've certainly made me consider the story in a different light, which is always an enjoyable experience.


[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...

We seem to agree that there is at least one character too many. You think it's Talia, I think it's Selina (that's cause I think Talia is more interesting and more crucial to the plot / story). Also Blake because I fond him poorly executed albeit not pointless. [/quote]

Yes. I think it may have been some over-confidence that led to the inclusion of far too many new characters. While I like the ending of the main arc, I do feel that, while new arcs are introduced, they do not end in a very satisfactory manner. I also understand that some of the things I feel are implied will not be views shared by the entirety of the audience, leading to people receiving varying levels of closure.

[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I always saw Batman as defined by his antagonistss and not his allies (needless to say, I hate Robin barring Jason Todd and the rest).[/quote]

I always thought Robin could, in theory, be done well. I just haven't seen it happen.

But, yes, I think any hero is defined by the challenges they face, and how they choose to overcome those challenges.

[quote]KnightofPhoenixe wrote...

Oh well, maybe in a decade or so a re-invention of Batman can be done. [/quote]

Or two years, given the current economic climate for hero movies.

[quote]KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Still, all in all, I like the movie (but I think it's my least favorite of the trilogy) and I loved the serie and found it much better than the old movies (except Phantasm).
[/quote]

It was enjoyable. I, honestly, am glad that it ended as well as it did. I didn't let the hype run too rampant in my brain-case, as I usually try to be as objective as possible. Still, what hype it did have in my head was at least met to some extent. I think that's an achievement in and of itself, considering its predecessors.

The entire trilogy was, in all honesty, one of the most exciting film experiences of my life. I hope Nolan and his crew continue to make quality movies.

[Kathleen321]

Now that we're discussing spoilers. Was anyone else terrified at the end that Bruce Wayne had actually died? The whole time I was thinking, "oh god not another Mass Effect 3 not another Mass Effect 3 not another Mass Effect 3." If he had died after that explosion it would have been just as devastating to me. :/

[M2S SOLID JOSH]

i loved bane and his voice but did anyone else go "sean connary?" lol

[Rockworm503]

I feel like the curse has lifted.
Saw it today and loved it. I still think Dark Knight was better but probably by an inch.
The 3rd movie in a superhero trilogy is just as good as the previous movies.
That is awesome.
Bane was easily the best part but Anne Hatheway did a great job as Catwoman and I really liked Gordon and Joseph Gordon-Levitt was really well done with his character.
If I had one gripe I think its Talia. While the twist itself was well done (I am seriously kicking myself for not seeing that one) I think her part was pointless. For one it ruins Bane's role by making it look like he was just working with her and she was the mastermind. I would've loved this movie a lot more if Bane was working alone and my original thought (that Bane was Al Ghul's son) than have her shoe-horned in like that. Pluse her actress wasn't that good to be honest.
Anyway thats the only bad spot in an otherwise awesome movie.

[Tazzmission]

Rockworm503 wrote...

I feel like the curse has lifted.
Saw it today and loved it. I still think Dark Knight was better but probably by an inch.
The 3rd movie in a superhero trilogy is just as good as the previous movies.
That is awesome.
Bane was easily the best part but Anne Hatheway did a great job as Catwoman and I really liked Gordon and Joseph Gordon-Levitt was really well done with his character.
If I had one gripe I think its Talia. While the twist itself was well done (I am seriously kicking myself for not seeing that one) I think her part was pointless. For one it ruins Bane's role by making it look like he was just working with her and she was the mastermind. I would've loved this movie a lot more if Bane was working alone and my original thought (that Bane was Al Ghul's son) than have her shoe-horned in like that. Pluse her actress wasn't that good to be honest.
Anyway thats the only bad spot in an otherwise awesome movie.

i disagree on the bane/talia relationship part because we are to believe bane is this heartless brutal monster but its actually pretty damn  nice and in a way sad he had love for someone who basicly used him

now me personally i think talia was really under used because shes a major charachter

[Jvolikas]

Saw this in IMAX last night. Worth every penny.

My only real gripes were how it seemed like everybody knew Batman and Bruce were the same. Blake and Bane both knew and there was no build-up to that...seemed a little strange. Otherwise I thought the plot was pretty decent (Talia twist was well-executed, although the bomb was a bit cliche and reminded me of The Simpsons movie).  Hathaway was much better than I thought she'd be and Tom Hardy did a great job as Bane.  The Robin set-up was pretty obvious but well-handled nonetheless.

I loved the ending though very much.  I like seeing the happy ending and a character ride off into the sunset, so seeing Bruce and Selina get that was the right move in my opinion.

Modifié par Jvolikas, 22 juillet 2012 - 07:18 .

[Rockworm503]

Tazzmission wrote...

Rockworm503 wrote...

I feel like the curse has lifted.
Saw it today and loved it. I still think Dark Knight was better but probably by an inch.
The 3rd movie in a superhero trilogy is just as good as the previous movies.
That is awesome.
Bane was easily the best part but Anne Hatheway did a great job as Catwoman and I really liked Gordon and Joseph Gordon-Levitt was really well done with his character.
If I had one gripe I think its Talia. While the twist itself was well done (I am seriously kicking myself for not seeing that one) I think her part was pointless. For one it ruins Bane's role by making it look like he was just working with her and she was the mastermind. I would've loved this movie a lot more if Bane was working alone and my original thought (that Bane was Al Ghul's son) than have her shoe-horned in like that. Pluse her actress wasn't that good to be honest.
Anyway thats the only bad spot in an otherwise awesome movie.

i disagree on the bane/talia relationship part because we are to believe bane is this heartless brutal monster but its actually pretty damn  nice and in a way sad he had love for someone who basicly used him

now me personally i think talia was really under used because shes a major charachter

Brutal heartless monster brilliant strategist.  He goes toe to toe with Batman twice and totally defeats him the first time.  In the comics Bane is the master manipulator not a just another stooge working for someone else.  Thats the BS that they threw at us in Batman and Robin 

[android654]

No, Bane and Talia's involvement is straight out of the comics. Ra's (that's pronounced ray-sh, not raz) selected Bane to be Bruce's replacement when he realized Bruce would never agree to marry his daughter and take over the League of Assassins. But once Batman defeats Bane, Ra's decides that "The Detective" was the only replacement suitable to carry his empire.

Bane is really brilliant, and is the person who came closest to defeating Batman, but just like Bruce, Bane is little more than a sad little boy trying to fix himself. Ra's is a master at manipulating and controlling things. He's been doing that since he was born in the deserts of Saudi Arabia 600 years ago. Ra's is just better at what Bane and Batman does, and will always have the upper hand.

[Arch1eviathan]

What happened with Bane at the end? Talia stabs the batman and then he just sort of became irrelevant.

[Arch1eviathan]

DuckSoup wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I'll be watching it again. I feel I need to give it another chance. But my impression of trilogies right now is that number three is the kiss of death.

Also am I the only one who thought the fight scenes were lackluster?

The best fight scene was between Batman and Bane in the underground.  

It felt like I was watching a live action version of Mortal Kombat vs DC.

Modifié par Arch1eviathan, 22 juillet 2012 - 12:38 .

[BatmanPWNS]

Arch1eviathan wrote...

DuckSoup wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

I'll be watching it again. I feel I need to give it another chance. But my impression of trilogies right now is that number three is the kiss of death.

Also am I the only one who thought the fight scenes were lackluster?

The best fight scene was between Batman and Bane in the underground.  

It felt like I was watching a live action version of Mortal Kombat vs DC.

The kids were speechless and scared. I guess they expected it to be like a Marvel movie, where the hero makes a quick joke every few minutes while fighting. Also I heard a mum (who had kids with her) sigh when the sex scene happened, lol.

[Arch1eviathan]

when Bane wins round one and breaks batmans back, I though "FATALITY"

[Milan92]

Himo wrote...

Did anyone else think that the Scarecrow's cameo was ****ing awesome?

His cameo really cracked me up. Its funny because right before his first appearens I was starting to wonder when Crane would appear 

Btw, whats with people disliking the ending? It was the perfect ending for Nolan's Batman. If you don't like it, why don't you go make your own Batman movie? See if you can do it beter then Nolan (which I highly doubt)

Modifié par Milan92, 22 juillet 2012 - 02:39 .

[Druss99]

M2S SOLID JOSH wrote...

i loved bane and his voice but did anyone else go "sean connary?" lol

Yeah, Sean Connery on helium. It kept reminding me of Highlander.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Godak wrote...
Although, I see me injecting some of my own personal experience in here. They would likely have done something similar to Alfred, so I feel it's believable.

Could be, but I still don't see it as something Alfred would do. But eh, it's not the biggest problem in the movie.

I thought of Bruce changing dramatically from BB to the end of TDK, and even more so by the time of DKR.
[snip]

That is a good analysis and perhaps I am being too harsh. TDK at least had one thing going for it and that's how Bruce wants to stop being Batman.

I guess, like you said earlier, I am expecting something more complex and psychological, which doesn't necessarily mean that what Nolan did in uninteresting.

That is what he said. However, we later learn that he is merely devoted to Talia absolutely. She wishes to bring her father's justice to Gotham, while simulataenously ensuring her revenge. Bane follows her lead. He is not the master mind behind the plan, and he has no stake in the fight beyond completing Talia's outlined tasks.

I think Bane is ideologically convinced actually. The way he says he wants to carry Ra's' legacy. The way he says he's a necessary evil. Yea love for Talia is a big part of his motivations but I do not think he's her brawl man, I think he genuinely believes in what he is doing and that he's the one who came up with the plan an did not simply execute it.

But that's the problem with the twist. It was done poorly that it could give the impression that Bane was meh. Had it been better done, it would have strengthened Bane.

Because Talia said so. She wanted Bruce to suffer in The Pit while watching all of his work amount to nothing.

So Bane is either a sadist or a puppet. Either way it's bad, as neither attribute seem to be consistent with how he was portrayed.

I would be fine with her in that plot. Have her infiltrate Wayne Enterprises. Perhaps there can be a phone call or two where she is talking in a foreign language to an "associate" (Bane). It would make her betrayal more believable, and less sudden. Perhaps to hammer in the point, when Gordon is dragged down to see Bane, Bane is communicating with someone. Tate's betrayal in the movie was too heavy-handed.

That and the relationship between talia and Ra's was never explored, so we can't see why she is so obsessed with completing her work even at the cost of her life (makes no sense the League is not supposed to do that). Other than a tragic childhood, there is no that much character development.

I almost feel that his emotional side could be better demonstrated by in-mates of The Pit. Perhaps several men could recollect his child-hood with fondness, but become more and more severe as Bane grows older, reflecting a slow corruption of innocence?

That could have been done also, but it would not have been as effective imo. Having Bane sacrifice himself for a child is more touching, and that child being Talia, makes for more story potential.

While I may not have the same opinions as you, I think constructive criticism of any medium is always good. You've certainly made me consider the story in a different light, which is always an enjoyable experience.

Likewise

Or two years, given the current economic climate for hero movies.

I hope not. But it may be very likely that Justice League is in the works.

It was enjoyable. I, honestly, am glad that it ended as well as it did. I didn't let the hype run too rampant in my brain-case, as I usually try to be as objective as possible. Still, what hype it did have in my head was at least met to some extent. I think that's an achievement in and of itself, considering its predecessors.

I sadly did let myself get hyped, with regards to Bane. And while he was awesome, he could have been so much more ha his motivations been different or refined and had the situation with Talia been better. Not to brag, but I think my suggestion, if for the sake of argument it's feasible for the movie, would have made both characters awesome.

[KnightofPhoenix]

android654 wrote...

 Ra's (that's pronounced ray-sh, not raz) 

No, it's not. As a native Arabic speaker, I can tell you that Ra's is pronounced as "Ra'as" or "Ra'es" depending on the dialect, the ' being the "hamza" where you make a slight pause. "Raas" in coloquial.

[Mr.House]

Kathleen321 wrote...

Now that we're discussing spoilers. Was anyone else terrified at the end that Bruce Wayne had actually died? The whole time I was thinking, "oh god not another Mass Effect 3 not another Mass Effect 3 not another Mass Effect 3." If he had died after that explosion it would have been just as devastating to me. :/

I had a theory that Bruce might fake his death, so while I was shedding tears when he was flying the bomb away from Gotham and at the grave scene, I still had some hope he survived, so when I saw him with Selina I smilled like a kid at a candy store.

Great to see Nolan supports the Bruce and Selina couple, great way to end the story.

Modifié par Mr.House, 22 juillet 2012 - 04:29 .

[Druss99]

^ I think they foreshadowed the auto-pilot a bit too much, it seemed like a pointless thing to keep mentioning and as soon as that whole sequence started I just thought "Oh aye, the autopilot."

[android654]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

android654 wrote...

 Ra's (that's pronounced ray-sh, not raz) 

No, it's not. As a native Arabic speaker, I can tell you that Ra's is pronounced as "Ra'as" or "Ra'es" depending on the dialect, the ' being the "hamza" where you make a slight pause. "Raas" in coloquial.

I'm going by the first oral recording of the name, which was Ray-sh. It was annyoing hearing it in Begins when there's hours of Connory pronouncing it differently an entire decade before.

Now that we're on the topic, is no one else a little annoyed at the fact that they did not pick an arab actor for Ra's and Talia?

Modifié par android654, 22 juillet 2012 - 04:35 .

[Mr.House]

Druss99 wrote...

^ I think they foreshadowed the auto-pilot a bit too much, it seemed like a pointless thing to keep mentioning and as soon as that whole sequence started I just thought "Oh aye, the autopilot."

I think they did that so people with even the worst memeory knew that the Bat had an auto pilot, though I do agree. Everytime I heard autopilot I was like

[Godak]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Could be, but I still don't see it as something Alfred would do. But eh, it's not the biggest problem in the movie.

And it definitely is subjective. I don't think you can make character interactions realistic in a way that pleases everyone, as everyone will have different standards by which they judge such interactions.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That is a good analysis and perhaps I am being too harsh. 

There's no such thing as being to harsh!

I like dissecting movies. It only gets more fun as the mythos expands.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

TDK at least had one thing going for it and that's how Bruce wants to stop being Batman. I guess, like you said earlier, I am expecting something more complex and psychological, which doesn't necessarily mean that what Nolan did in uninteresting.

For what it's worth, a deep, psychologically shattered Batman is still something that I don't feel has been done well in the world of cinema, and I would totally watch that movie series. I love me some inner-conflict.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I think Bane is ideologically convinced actually. The way he says he wants to carry Ra's' legacy. The way he says he's a necessary evil. Yea love for Talia is a big part of his motivations but I do not think he's her brawl man, I think he genuinely believes in what he is doing and that he's the one who came up with the plan an did not simply execute it.

But that's the problem with the twist. It was done poorly that it could give the impression that Bane was meh. Had it been better done, it would have strengthened Bane.

Yeah, I can see that being a totally valid interpretation. Maybe I just wanted it to be more concrete. If Talia said something along the lines of, "Bane, my most loyal follower, heard of my dream and made it a reality." so the audience would know for sure that the big awesome dude did most of the work, and Talia was fueling the fires of a man who already had his own reasons for the destruction of Gotham.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

So Bane is either a sadist or a puppet. Either way it's bad, as neither attribute seem to be consistent with how he was portrayed.

Poor Bane! Well, at least Tom Hardy did a fantastic job with portraying the physical gravitas of the man who broke the bat. While completely different roles, I feel Mr. Hardy has made a character  his own in much the same vein as Heath Ledger's Joker.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That and the relationship between talia and Ra's was never explored, so we can't see why she is so obsessed with completing her work even at the cost of her life (makes no sense the League is not supposed to do that). Other than a tragic childhood, there is no that much character development.

Yeah! What's up with that?

Part of me just really wishes that this movie had more time. For being just short of three hours, two-thirds of it moves at a pretty fast clip. Unfortunately, no studio head in their right mind would agree to a three-and-a-half hour hero film.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

That could have been done also, but it would not have been as effective imo. Having Bane sacrifice himself for a child is more touching, and that child being Talia, makes for more story potential.

That's true. A man willing to put himself in harms way for another is more pro-actively good, shining a more positive light on Bane as a whole. Being slowly corrupted would simply make him a victim of circumstance, which makes for a less intriguing villain.

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

I hope not. But it may be very likely that Justice League is in the works.

A Justice League film might not be too bad. It would likely carry a very different tone than the Nolan films.

Before they do anything with the Justice League, though, I am betting that DC will want to release Man of Steel.

I sadly did let myself get hyped, with regards to Bane. And while he was awesome, he could have been so much more ha his motivations been different or refined and had the situation with Talia been better. Not to brag, but I think my suggestion, if for the sake of argument it's feasible for the movie, would have made both characters awesome.

I think I may have been a bit worried about Bane from the get go. While Hardy was physically imposing in the trailers, I never saw anything that suggested that Bane would be well-acted. I was, luckily, wrong.

Yes. I think you're spot-on about the importance of trimming the cast, and you have made a convincing argument about Talia's importance. I don't think I am converted completely, but I certainly think that - even if the film were just 15-20 minutes longer, and one of the new characters were removed - a better, more focused film would be the product.

And I already think it was a pretty good film!

[KnightofPhoenix]

android654 wrote...
Now that we're on the topic, is no one else a little annoyed at the fact that they did not pick an arab actor for Ra's and Talia?

I was not. They could pass as Levantine Arabs (Syrian or Lebanese). In fact Ra's kind of looks like my uncle. And Talia reminds me of a Syrian actress:




@ Godak
This was a very enjoyable conversation!
I am a bit surprised at the zeal that some fans of the movie are displaying with regards to negative criticism.

And I agree that Tom Hardy was excellent as Bane and I get so annoyed when some critics say "Tom Hardy was wasted, any wrestler body builder could have been Bane." Eh no, acting is not just showing your face. It's the voice, the manner of speech, the body language, the eyes. And Tom Hardy was spot on for a physically powerful and mentally impressive Bane.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 22 juillet 2012 - 05:34 .

[android654]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

android654 wrote...
Now that we're on the topic, is no one else a little annoyed at the fact that they did not pick an arab actor for Ra's and Talia?

I was not. They could pass as Levantine Arabs (Syrian or Lebanese). In fact Ra's kind of looks like my uncle. And Talia reminds me of a Syrian actress:

Except Ra's' origin lists him as being from then Arabia (600 years ago), which is the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia now. In that case Liam wouldn't fit. And Talia's face changes quite a bit over the years.





But Ra's' has always been tightlipped about her mother, so her ethnicity isn't as big an issue as his.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Actually Ra's is ethnically Chinese (not sure if Han). A group of Chinese (probably Muslims) migrated to Arabia and Ra's was born there.

Also I should add that Hejazi Arabs (the area around Mecca and Medina), bare strong resemblance to Levantine Arabs in terms of facial structure.

Modifié par KnightofPhoenix, 22 juillet 2012 - 05:54 .