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#377
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 04:52
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It doesn't fit in film. Which is one of the reasons it was horrid to see in Batman & Robin. I think they made the right choice not to use venom and redesign the character concept.
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Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 06:32
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[SPOILER ALERT] Only little peeve I have is Bane's mask; I know why he wears it of course but the movie never really explained it for itself. We get told from Bane at the start "It would be extremely painful" if it's taken off and that he got it when receiving his injuries helping Talia escape (great little twist with Talia's reveal as well). I think just a minute explaining why he has to wear it specifically would have worked wonders for it. [END SPOILERS]
I thought they explained it when Bruce was in the prison that the one doctor made it to basically administer pain killers or some kind of anesthetic to keep Bane out of pain after he was beat up/tortured in the pit.
I thought that was enough of an explanation. And in a way it sort of functioned like his Venom usually does in the comics, since in the second fight, its Batman breaking the mask that gives him the upper hand.
It wouldn't be a "Robin" movie- Blake would be Batman. I actually wouldn't mind that if thats the route they took. Blake seemed more of a detective than Bruce Wayne so it might be neat to explore that angle.Travis2310 wrote...
I just hope they don't make a Robin-only movie. I don't think Robin will be able to hold his own if featured in his own movie.
Another little thing I liked about the Talia twist at the end- in Batman Begins, Ra's says to Bruce:
"If someone stands in the way of true justice, you simply walk up behind them and stab them in the heart"
And of course Talia walks up behind Batman and stabs him.
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#379
Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 09:47
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Wow seems like Batman was kinda like Playboy lol
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I think the Bane in Arkham City was done right. He's supposed to be oversized huge and muscular though. At least most of the images i googled shows he supposed to be huge, oversized and muscular.
Yes but he's also supposed to be extremely intellegent. To the point where he outsmarts Batman. In the Arkham games he's a 2 bit thug who charges you and then in City he tries to trap you in the dumbest way a 3 year old could outsmart that Bane.
Its still better than Batman and Robin's Bane but thats really not saying much.
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Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 10:11
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jollyorigins wrote...
[SPOILER ALERT] Only little peeve I have is Bane's mask; I know why he wears it of course but the movie never really explained it for itself. We get told from Bane at the start "It would be extremely painful" if it's taken off and that he got it when receiving his injuries helping Talia escape (great little twist with Talia's reveal as well). I think just a minute explaining why he has to wear it specifically would have worked wonders for it. [END SPOILERS]
Best movie I've seen this year by far, and a very satisfying conclusion to the story. God damn I want to watch that fight scene with Bane and his army vs Batman and the police all over again.
Did it not say it supplies a painkiller when they're in the prison? Or have I just assumed they did because I knew what it was for before hand?
And I want to watch that scene again as well. Can't wait for the DVD now.
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Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 10:24
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And as far as Arkham City goes, they did not have a child.
We actually don't know that really because she did say they had sex in Metropolis.
In the game she did not have his son. However it is cannon that she has Bruce's son, Damian Wayne. It was a last stitch effort to get Bruce to enlist himself into The Leage of Assassins.
That being said, Bruce has never been in a "relationship" with Talia. She's in love with him through the admiration of her father, and Bruce merely wants her to be free from Ra's' influence. The only women he's been involved with on a relationship level are Selina Kyle, Vesper Fairchild, Vicki Vale, and Wonder Woman. All of the other women were flings or obsessive crushes like Barbra when she first became Batgirl.
Well ,yeah, I know they have Damian but I was just saying that they may have a son in the Arkham series but they just haven't revealed him yet or something.
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Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 11:00
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After thinking about it, I addressed one of my major criticisms. I previously said that Bane leading a revolution and wanting to destroy Gotham anyways are two contradictory goals and that Bane was only doing all this out of sadism.
But the way I understood the League of Shadows is that it seeks to destroy Gotham not for its own sake only, but to strike fear in the rest of the world and make them see where this chaos and corruption leads. That's why Ra's al Ghul wanted Gotham to tear itself apart.
Bane just detonating a nuke would be blamed on terrorists and not on the inherent fragility and corruption of the system. What better way to show that other than leading a revolution against the 1% and freeing all the criminals that were locked up based on a lie, spreading chaos in the process? Furthermore, Bane officially gave the detonator to a citizen. Bane's plan would show the world how ****ed up Gotham is, or at least how fragile it is and any semblance of peace it had was based on a lie.
Now it's still problematic that Bane doesn't explain this more clearly, and there are still problems in the movie particularly the endgame. But this interpretation greatly reduces the doubt I had towards Bane despite always seeing him as awesome. Now however, I am tempted to say I like him more than the Joker. But I probably need to watch both movies again back to back to determine who I like more.
I went to see the movie a second time a few days ago, keeping this specific issue in mind since it bothered me like crazy. The second viewing definitely helped in this regard.
Bane and Talia both address this point, once when Bruce is first brought to the prison and when Miranda Tate reveals her true identity. Essentially, the goal was to make Bruce suffer as much as possible before finally condemning Gotham to the flames. Bane says as much in the prison and Talia makes reference to how the knife which cuts slowest also cuts the deepest. It still could have been explained better, but not as bad as I first thought.
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Posté 26 juillet 2012 - 11:21
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Did it not say it supplies a painkiller when they're in the prison? Or have I just assumed they did because I knew what it was for before hand?
And I want to watch that scene again as well. Can't wait for the DVD now.
I must have missed that bit then, I was having a bit of trouble understanding what the prisoners were saying, not very good at hearing things.
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Posté 27 juillet 2012 - 04:35
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First half was extremely slow and boring, second half was intense. The ending was okay, but i would've been far happier if Bruce died.
No, i don't believe it was Alfred's imagination. Too much evidence to the contrary.
And my god, there should have been subtitles whenever Bane spoke...
No, i don't believe it was Alfred's imagination. Too much evidence to the contrary.
And my god, there should have been subtitles whenever Bane spoke...
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Posté 27 juillet 2012 - 10:55
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jollyorigins wrote...
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Did it not say it supplies a painkiller when they're in the prison? Or have I just assumed they did because I knew what it was for before hand?
And I want to watch that scene again as well. Can't wait for the DVD now.
I must have missed that bit then, I was having a bit of trouble understanding what the prisoners were saying, not very good at hearing things.
I had that problem once or twice because sometimes either the music or background noise was louder. But the front seat in an Imax cinema makes it difficult not to hear most to hear most of the time.
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Posté 27 juillet 2012 - 04:26
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I was sure this movie would never end. Bad guy holds entire Gotham hostage with X. Batman overcomes some serious business and saves the day. Mm nice ass. Also, watch out,a traitor! The end. Three hours for this. WTF.
Other than that, this felt pretty much the movie Dark Knight without Joker would have been. 5/10 2.5/5 500/1000
8 half loaded bat-utility bat belts out of 16 half loaded bat utility bat belts.
I hate Nolan's way of directing action. Fighting, chase scenes etc in his Batman flicks always makes me feel like I'm watching that one action scene of a cheesy love movie " Uhh ok crew. Today we have to film ' that fight scene'
This is not what we do best, this is not why people will watch our movie but we all know it has to be there:( Let's just get this over with:( Action, I guess:( "
Wellp, the scene where Robin was running to one place or another in a hurry and firing stuff with shotgun was pretty neato.
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* 98 min movies stretched into Three Hours in some space- time-dimension bending wormhole discombulator. I mean this pretty literally. In Nolan's Batmans you got 98 min summer movie's worth of plot, character development and depth. Yet, when 98 mins have passed you check our watch and realize seconds in movie theaters during Nolan Movies are somehow 200% longer than in our dimension. It's creepy as hell. It'd actually make a great script for a Nolan summere movie. Nolan and his rabid internet fans keep Gotham as a hostage with time bending device. They swear to kill everybody within next 120-180 minutes or during first quarter of the sequel the latest unless Batman or somebody else agrees to film boring action scenes with them. Damn, that'd be like Inception meets John Malkowich. 9.2 stars in IMDB.
* The religious following Nolan has for some incomprehensible reason.
* Absolutely insanely incredible performance of Heath Ledger in the second movie
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This concludes my comprehensible and complete listing of memorable things in Nolan's Batman trilogy.
Other than that, this felt pretty much the movie Dark Knight without Joker would have been. 5/10 2.5/5 500/1000
8 half loaded bat-utility bat belts out of 16 half loaded bat utility bat belts.
I hate Nolan's way of directing action. Fighting, chase scenes etc in his Batman flicks always makes me feel like I'm watching that one action scene of a cheesy love movie " Uhh ok crew. Today we have to film ' that fight scene'
This is not what we do best, this is not why people will watch our movie but we all know it has to be there:( Let's just get this over with:( Action, I guess:( " Wellp, the scene where Robin was running to one place or another in a hurry and firing stuff with shotgun was pretty neato.
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* 98 min movies stretched into Three Hours in some space- time-dimension bending wormhole discombulator. I mean this pretty literally. In Nolan's Batmans you got 98 min summer movie's worth of plot, character development and depth. Yet, when 98 mins have passed you check our watch and realize seconds in movie theaters during Nolan Movies are somehow 200% longer than in our dimension. It's creepy as hell. It'd actually make a great script for a Nolan summere movie. Nolan and his rabid internet fans keep Gotham as a hostage with time bending device. They swear to kill everybody within next 120-180 minutes or during first quarter of the sequel the latest unless Batman or somebody else agrees to film boring action scenes with them. Damn, that'd be like Inception meets John Malkowich. 9.2 stars in IMDB.
* The religious following Nolan has for some incomprehensible reason.
* Absolutely insanely incredible performance of Heath Ledger in the second movie
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This concludes my comprehensible and complete listing of memorable things in Nolan's Batman trilogy.
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Posté 27 juillet 2012 - 07:30
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It was a good movie, but not something that left me a huge impression. Sure, the cast was superb and they delivered everything very well. The effects were great too. Bane's a memorable villain, but not as creepy as Ledger's Joker. Still, he was well done and that montage of chaos going in the city during Bane's speech really was awesome. I also had virtually no problem with his voice and I never thought it was an issue.
I felt that Catwoman's personality wasn't well developed. She often felt static. Hathaway did a good job, but it would have been better if they expanded some more on her. Even Talia was more believable.
The movie gets a bit bloated in the middle. And it loses when you compare it with The Dark Knight. The end left me disappointed as it felt cliche (no offense to those who think it was an excellent conclusion).
*SPOILERS*
First, how the hell Blake knows Wayne is Batman? The explanation wasn't logical and totally not convincing. I can just assume that either he made some investigations before the events of the movie and put facts together that confirmed his suspicion or he is as good as Sherlock Holmes and can tell who people are by just looking at them *shrugs*
I found it funny how Batman's armor is thick, yet a knife slices through it like butter. The stab looked rather deep, yet Batman continues to fight as if it wasn't there. How the hell did he even recover so fast after Bane "broke" him is a mystery. Exercising would exacerbate the recovery and what he was eating and drinking wasn’t nearly nutritious enough to help his body heal or rebuild protein. No kind of medieval medicine can heal a fractured spine that fast.
Finally, how the hell does he return to Gotham so quickly? He has no money, transport, any means of ID and is stranded in some goddamn desert. Then again, how the sh*t did he get inside the city while all the bridges are blown up and Bane's troops are watching everything? I suppose there's an explanation, no matter convincing or bizarre, but all of that felt rather annoying.
The last scenes really disappointed me. Talia's introduction really pushed Bane aside, making him more of a thug than a criminal mastermind. Funny how he gets defeated so quickly during the mass fight. I'm pretty sure he didn't survive the shot since those cannons can shoot holes in walls and he is not that durable, so yeah. His terrorist buddies had way superior weaponry than Gotham police officers, yet they decided that the best tactic apparently was to run towards the enemy and start a massive brawl. Watching the two forces just clash head-on didn’t make for a very engaging or believable battle. It was actually rather tedious to watch.
The chase scene had nice effects, I'll give' em that, but Talia really got wasted fast. I mean, she crashed and died. That's it? The end was predictable, although I expected Wayne to die. It's likely that he just dropped the bomb into the ocean and then flew off at top speed. At open sea, he had a straight runway, thus surviving. I suppose Wayne's fate was intended to be left open to discussion. That on top of the scene at the cafe seeming identical to that in Alfred's fantasies, so it probably leaves the ending very open to interpretation. Although, it is more likely that Wayne survived since Alfred earlier told him the location and name of restaurant.
I didn't feel like that "twist" with Robin was necessary. Who knows, maybe someday someone will decide to make a movie with him as leading character *shudders*
*End of spoilers*
All in All, it was a neat movie. I give it a 7 out of 10.
It was a good movie, but not something that left me a huge impression. Sure, the cast was superb and they delivered everything very well. The effects were great too. Bane's a memorable villain, but not as creepy as Ledger's Joker. Still, he was well done and that montage of chaos going in the city during Bane's speech really was awesome. I also had virtually no problem with his voice and I never thought it was an issue.
I felt that Catwoman's personality wasn't well developed. She often felt static. Hathaway did a good job, but it would have been better if they expanded some more on her. Even Talia was more believable.
The movie gets a bit bloated in the middle. And it loses when you compare it with The Dark Knight. The end left me disappointed as it felt cliche (no offense to those who think it was an excellent conclusion).
*SPOILERS*
First, how the hell Blake knows Wayne is Batman? The explanation wasn't logical and totally not convincing. I can just assume that either he made some investigations before the events of the movie and put facts together that confirmed his suspicion or he is as good as Sherlock Holmes and can tell who people are by just looking at them *shrugs*
I found it funny how Batman's armor is thick, yet a knife slices through it like butter. The stab looked rather deep, yet Batman continues to fight as if it wasn't there. How the hell did he even recover so fast after Bane "broke" him is a mystery. Exercising would exacerbate the recovery and what he was eating and drinking wasn’t nearly nutritious enough to help his body heal or rebuild protein. No kind of medieval medicine can heal a fractured spine that fast.
Finally, how the hell does he return to Gotham so quickly? He has no money, transport, any means of ID and is stranded in some goddamn desert. Then again, how the sh*t did he get inside the city while all the bridges are blown up and Bane's troops are watching everything? I suppose there's an explanation, no matter convincing or bizarre, but all of that felt rather annoying.
The last scenes really disappointed me. Talia's introduction really pushed Bane aside, making him more of a thug than a criminal mastermind. Funny how he gets defeated so quickly during the mass fight. I'm pretty sure he didn't survive the shot since those cannons can shoot holes in walls and he is not that durable, so yeah. His terrorist buddies had way superior weaponry than Gotham police officers, yet they decided that the best tactic apparently was to run towards the enemy and start a massive brawl. Watching the two forces just clash head-on didn’t make for a very engaging or believable battle. It was actually rather tedious to watch.
The chase scene had nice effects, I'll give' em that, but Talia really got wasted fast. I mean, she crashed and died. That's it? The end was predictable, although I expected Wayne to die. It's likely that he just dropped the bomb into the ocean and then flew off at top speed. At open sea, he had a straight runway, thus surviving. I suppose Wayne's fate was intended to be left open to discussion. That on top of the scene at the cafe seeming identical to that in Alfred's fantasies, so it probably leaves the ending very open to interpretation. Although, it is more likely that Wayne survived since Alfred earlier told him the location and name of restaurant.
I didn't feel like that "twist" with Robin was necessary. Who knows, maybe someday someone will decide to make a movie with him as leading character *shudders*
*End of spoilers*
All in All, it was a neat movie. I give it a 7 out of 10.
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#389
Posté 27 juillet 2012 - 07:33
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How does Blake know who Bruce is? He saw it in his eyes man, in his eyes.
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Posté 27 juillet 2012 - 08:11
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You are the kind of person I would shoot myself before i met in person.
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Posté 27 juillet 2012 - 08:40
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Lulz. I wonder if the next movie will deal with the Robin trying to save Gotham from the nuclear fallout that will no doubt engulf the city after the neutron bomb goes kaboom - that would make quite a tale.
Still, I loved the movie even if it did kinda muck up a bit on that point.
Still, I loved the movie even if it did kinda muck up a bit on that point.
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Posté 27 juillet 2012 - 08:49
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Lulz. I wonder if the next movie will deal with the Robin trying to save Gotham from the nuclear fallout that will no doubt engulf the city after the neutron bomb goes kaboom - that would make quite a tale.
Still, I loved the movie even if it did kinda muck up a bit on that point.
Wait a thought it was a fusion bomb?
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Posté 27 juillet 2012 - 09:38
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legion999 wrote...
greengoron89 wrote...
Lulz. I wonder if the next movie will deal with the Robin trying to save Gotham from the nuclear fallout that will no doubt engulf the city after the neutron bomb goes kaboom - that would make quite a tale.
Still, I loved the movie even if it did kinda muck up a bit on that point.
Wait a thought it was a fusion bomb?
It was a fusion bomb.
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Posté 27 juillet 2012 - 09:51
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The ending was okay, but i would've been far happier if Bruce died.
Bruce dying at the end would have basically undercut the entire theme of all of Nolan's Batman movies. It would have been a total copout and inconsistant with the theme of the movie- that its not about not fearing death, its about fearing death and having Bruce ultimately able to move beyond his past tragedies and live a life. Living is harder than just going out in a blaze of glory.
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Posté 27 juillet 2012 - 10:02
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You are the kind of person I would shoot myself before i met in person.
Waaaah he dislikes my favorite movie by director whose fan I am what a terrible person im so angry i got milk all over my chin and I dont even care
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Posté 27 juillet 2012 - 10:06
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There would be nuclear fallout either way - and it would be devastating.
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Posté 27 juillet 2012 - 10:22
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LTD wrote...
Rockworm503 wrote...
LTD wrote...
You are the kind of person I would shoot myself before i met in person.
Waaaah he dislikes my favorite movie by director whose fan I am what a terrible person im so angry i got milk all over my chin and I dont even care
no you could talk about Twilight in this manner and I'd still hate you.
Your attitude makes me hate humanity.
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Posté 27 juillet 2012 - 10:26
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How does Blake know who Bruce is? He saw it in his eyes man, in his eyes.
Blake is based on the first three robins. Tim Drake (Robin III) easily found out who Bruce Wayne was so it's not really Nolans fault that it happened in the comic books.
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Posté 27 juillet 2012 - 10:58
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Rockworm503 wrote...
LTD wrote...
Rockworm503 wrote...
LTD wrote...
You are the kind of person I would shoot myself before i met in person.
Waaaah he dislikes my favorite movie by director whose fan I am what a terrible person im so angry i got milk all over my chin and I dont even care
no you could talk about Twilight in this manner and I'd still hate you.
Your attitude makes me hate humanity.
I'm inclined to agree Rockworm
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Posté 27 juillet 2012 - 11:40
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There would be nuclear fallout either way - and it would be devastating.
I believe fusion bombs produce a lot less radiation than the ‘regular' fission ones. Though I'm not sure if the remaining amount is still high.
