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[PsiFive]

So I just finished another playthrough of ME1 and near the end I did something I'd never done before, talk to everyone on the Normandy after escaping the Citadel but before going to Ilos. Other times I've gone straight to Ilos but this time I wanted to stop by Noveria and the Normandy requisition guy to see if I could get any more nice shiny stuff, and while I was down in the hangar bay sorting out who had what gun I thought: there's Garrus over there, Wrex over here and Tali and the engineering guy next door, I wonder if they've got anything new to say.

Turned out nearly everyone had some comment on stealing the Normandy, but Tali's was particularly interesting because when Shepard asks if her dad would have any pull in keeping Tali out of trouble she said that stealing ships is a capital crime and her father would probably want to execute them all personally. But in ME2 when you're getting her loyalty mission doesn't she say that exile is the worst punishment the Quarians impose, and they don't execute their criminals because they feel there aren't enough Quarians as it is and children of exiles would be allowed into the fleet?

So... writing error in all probability, but can it be made to fit into the story without resorting to some lame 'Oh, Tali was just exaggerating for a joke' type excuse?

[Ghost Unit]

Maybe it's just what Rael'Zorah would do himself, outside of Quarian law. Because he's known for doing that in ME2.

But yeah, it's probably a scripting error. Like what Soverign said in ME1 and how the catalyst contradicts that... There are a few scripting errors.

Modifié par Ghost Unit, 22 juillet 2012 - 09:32 .

[sweet-d]

Found another plot hole. just so many.

[Comandanto Shepardo]

Subjective. For some people to be devoided of their citizenship and exiled would be worse than death. And that is human people. An alien culture like that may value belonging more than life. Many humans do anyway. I dont see a plot hole.

[PsiFive]

Nothing subjective about it. This isn't about whether exile is worse or not. It's about Tali making two statements which flat out contradict each other. In ME1 she says ship theft is a capital offence and in ME2 she says that Quarians don't execute their criminals, meaning there are actually no capital offences at all.

Edited to correct name. Talisman? Duh. Phones and autocorrect.... hate, hate, hate.

Modifié par PsiFive, 29 juillet 2012 - 12:03 .

[coldwetn0se]

I would say writing error. Though, @Ghost unit has a great way to consider it, so as not to break immersion. Rael' Zorah does seem to have his own ideas on what is his 'rights and duties' (he probably wouldn't have been above taking laws into is own hand, if he felt it was justified...well, justified to him...heh).

[Wulfram]

IIRC In ME1, it's said that the Quarian's reproductive policies change depending on the situation - ultimately what they want is a population they can support on the fleet.

So you could rationalise that the Quarian demographic situation has shifted in the last 2 years, and that the death penalty has been suspended because they've decided they need more people.

[PsiFive]

Yeah, I think a Rael Zorah whose personal renegade bar (and also idiot bar) is maxed out would be a good best rationalisation, though there's still the problem that Tali uses the phrase "capital crime" and says that her dad would probably "execute us himself", which makes it sound like it's a more official policy than just Rael Zorah doing his maverick stuff again. I suppose that leaves what Wulfram suggests, though what Tali says in ME2 makes it sound like that's always been the way the Quarians have done things and they've never used capital punishment. Maybe it just seems that way to me because I found that conversation the first time I played ME2 and only came across the ME1 line about executing ship thieves a couple of weeks ago.

[CaptainZaysh]

Wait, does she actually say exile is the worst available punishment, or just that exile is the worst punishment for treason? It could be that stealing a ship gets you airlocked.

[PsiFive]

She doesn't quite say either. Going from memory Shepard brings up the subject of whether exile is the worst Quarians can do to their criminals and Tali's reply is that their population and space issues are such that they don't have any prisons at all and have monitored work details instead, and because any Quarian might have offspring that would be welcomed into the flotilla they only exile people who go beyond that point. No discussion of specific offences, just a statement that they don't lock up or execute their criminals. Not long started an ME2 replay, I'll try to remember to note exactly what she says.

[CaptainZaysh]

Just replayed this bit. Tali says "we don't have enough people for executions", but it is specifically in the context of punishments for treason.

I'd retcon it by saying exile is the worst punishment for treason, but stealing a ship is still a capital offence. (Perhaps because treason charges go before the Admiralty Board, but piracy charges are decided on ship?)

[PsiFive]

Well found. Thing is that statement is pretty cut and dried. "We don't have enough people for executions" - others may read it differently but I see nothing to suggest it's specific to a single class of offences. Either they think there are enough people or they don't, and there's still the part about not executing so that offspring of exiles can join the fleet if they want. From memory that also seemed to be a general thing and not something specific to a particular type of offence, but it's difficult to welcome young Quarians born of exiles when you've offed a parent before the kids are born.

[CaptainZaysh]

Yeah. Of course, the most likely explanation is gameplay - i.e. they wanted Tali to survive a "guilty" verdict, so they added the quarians-don't-execute bit of lore. So yeah, writing error, but you can make it fit if you're generous with interpreting the context of her remark.