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[xsdob]

This topic is just going to keep producing flamewars because ME1 is a golden cow with no flaws that farts rainbows and gives you free money with the power of nostalgia vision and ME3 is a video game.

It's that simple.

Modifié par xsdob, 14 juillet 2012 - 06:59 .

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

Ofcouse I can discredit a source because it's not an offical dictionary. If it's not an offical dictionary, ithas no real credit.

Wow. Where did you learn to debate?

I'm genuinely curious.

[txgoldrush]

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

ME1 - finding humanity's place in the galaxy
ME2 - earning the loyalty and trust for a tough mission.
ME3 -  victory through sacrifice.

THOSE are the themes of the games.

You are consciously aware that none of the 3 games adhere to only 1 theme, right?

And no, ME3 is most certainly not victory through sacrifice, otherwise I wouldn't be getting Aralakh company + the rachni, or krogan + salarian support, or geth + quarian support.

A story can have multiple themes, but ONE is always the most important.

The conflict in ME3 is between those who are willing to sacrifice themselves and lay down their life vs. those who forcibly sacrifice others to achieve their agenda.

Modifié par txgoldrush, 14 juillet 2012 - 07:01 .

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
We didn't know the prohean sabataged any thing till we talked to Vigil, who gave us the data disc that stopped the invasion. allowed us the opportunity to stop Soverign before he could open the Citadel Relay. Which makes the data files a plot device, and Vigil not a DEM.

Fixed that for you.

That still is stopping the invasion.

How is it stopping the invasion when Sovereign is manually priming to start the invasion?

 Because it overrides Soverigns commands.

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
That still is a DEM. And the problem was stopping the reaper invasion, which the data disc solves.

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Really?
Do you know what "contrived" means?
You apparently don't if you keep babbling about DEM's not being DEM's and Plot Devices being DEM's.

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ofcouse I can discredit a source because it's not an offical dictionary. If it's not an offical dictionary, ithas no real credit.

Wow. Where did you learn to debate?

I'm genuinely curious.

Listen, debating tis is like trying to debate that siting wikipideia is credible. Also, a dictonary does not have be a book to be credible.

[o Ventus]

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

ME1 - finding humanity's place in the galaxy
ME2 - earning the loyalty and trust for a tough mission.
ME3 -  victory through sacrifice.

THOSE are the themes of the games.

You are consciously aware that none of the 3 games adhere to only 1 theme, right?

And no, ME3 is most certainly not victory through sacrifice, otherwise I wouldn't be getting Aralakh company + the rachni, or krogan + salarian support, or geth + quarian support.

A story can have multiple themes, but ONE is always the most important.

The conflict in ME3 is between those who are willing to sacrifice vs. those who forcibly sacrifice others to achieve their agenda.

No, it is not. The Reapers are not "sacrificing" organics to prevent synthetics from killing people.

[What a Succulent Ass]

xsdob wrote...

This topic is just going to keep producing flamewars because ME1 is a golden cow with no flaws that farts rainbows and gives you free money with the power of nostalgia vision and ME3 is a video game.

Wrong. ME1 is my favourite game in the series, and were this the thread for it, I would gleefully point out its narrative failures because b*tching is what I do best. But trying to defend ME3's horrendous narrative by pointing to (invented) deficiencies in previous titles is just offensive to my logic senses.

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ofcouse I can discredit a source because it's not an offical dictionary. If it's not an offical dictionary, ithas no real credit.

Wow. Where did you learn to debate?

I'm genuinely curious.

Listen, debating tis is like trying to debate that siting wikipideia is credible. Also, a dictonary does not have be a book to be credible.

So you reply to me post with a non-answer.

You would make a great politician. No, that was not a compliment.

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
That still is a DEM. And the problem was stopping the reaper invasion, which the data disc solves.

<_<
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Really?
Do you know what "contrived" means?
You apparently don't if you keep babbling about DEM's not being DEM's and Plot Devices being DEM's.

No matter how you cut it the problem is the reaper invasion. The data disc stops it. Killing sovergin is just an addition tosolving the problem.

Modifié par dreman9999, 14 juillet 2012 - 07:04 .

[Ticonderoga117]

xsdob wrote...

This topic is just going to keep producing flamewars because ME1 is a golden cow with no flaws that farts rainbows and gives you free money with the power of nostalgia vision and ME3 is a video game.

It's that simple.

Both are video games, it's just that ME3 decidedes to totally kick ME1 in the head and says: "Remember all of that? Yeah? Too bad!" and then completely kills major parts of the lore through the introduction of GlowBoy.

[What a Succulent Ass]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Random Jerkface wrote...

Also, just as an exercise in curiosity, can you tell me why the Catalyst is well-written?

Quoting for great justice.

Aside: Reveals and plot twists require a set up (a logical one at that). The bigger and more astonishing the reveal, the more intricate and well-thought out the set up must be.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

Since it seems there won't be a conclusion to this argument, I'll say this:

Whether Vigil is a DEM or not(he's not), Vigil does not derail the narrative consistency of ME1.

Pointless thread is pointless. I was hoping this would shut everyone up, but I guess not. At this point it needs to die or be locked down, it's become nothing more than an immature flame war.

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
No matter how you cut it the problem is the reaper invasion. The data disc stops it. Killingsovergin is just an addition to the problem.

Doesn't mean it's a DEM.
It's a plot device.

[txgoldrush]

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

ME1 - finding humanity's place in the galaxy
ME2 - earning the loyalty and trust for a tough mission.
ME3 -  victory through sacrifice.

THOSE are the themes of the games.

You are consciously aware that none of the 3 games adhere to only 1 theme, right?

And no, ME3 is most certainly not victory through sacrifice, otherwise I wouldn't be getting Aralakh company + the rachni, or krogan + salarian support, or geth + quarian support.

A story can have multiple themes, but ONE is always the most important.

The conflict in ME3 is between those who are willing to sacrifice vs. those who forcibly sacrifice others to achieve their agenda.

No, it is not. The Reapers are not "sacrificing" organics to prevent synthetics from killing people.

No, they are sacrificing both organics and synthetics so that organic life can be perserved.

The Reapers are sacrificing peoples lives to attain their goal.

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
We didn't know the prohean sabataged any thing till we talked to Vigil, who gave us the data disc that stopped the invasion. allowed us the opportunity to stop Soverign before he could open the Citadel Relay. Which makes the data files a plot device, and Vigil not a DEM.

Fixed that for you.

That still is stopping the invasion.

How is it stopping the invasion when Sovereign is manually priming to start the invasion?

 Because it overrides Soverigns commands.

No it doesn't. Did you watch the conversation that you yourself linked to me?

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ofcouse I can discredit a source because it's not an offical dictionary. If it's not an offical dictionary, ithas no real credit.

Wow. Where did you learn to debate?

I'm genuinely curious.

Listen, debating tis is like trying to debate that siting wikipideia is credible. Also, a dictonary does not have be a book to be credible.

So you reply to me post with a non-answer.

You would make a great politician. No, that was not a compliment.

I would care if the person stating it got defintions of words correct.

[txgoldrush]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
No matter how you cut it the problem is the reaper invasion. The data disc stops it. Killingsovergin is just an addition to the problem.

Doesn't mean it's a DEM.
It's a plot device.

Once again, DEM can solve a problem, it does not have to solve the main one.

Vigil's disk clearly solves a problem.

[o Ventus]

txgoldrush wrote...

No, they are sacrificing both organics and synthetics so that organic life can be perserved.

The Reapers are sacrificing peoples lives to attain their goal.

They are not, by definition of the word "sacrifice", sacrificing anything.

[xsdob]

Really?...Really? Cause I've been going through the thread looking at all the "debate" and "rebuttals" and it all seems to boil down to this.

"nu-uh" "yeah-huh" "nu-uh" "yeah-huh" repeated for about 12 pages at the time of this posting.

No one has seemingly accepted the flaw of vigil, and op isn't willing to accept that the catalyst is a poorly executed version of what vigil did.

Modifié par xsdob, 14 juillet 2012 - 07:09 .

[Ticonderoga117]

txgoldrush wrote...
Once again, DEM can solve a problem, it does not have to solve the main one.

Vigil's disk clearly solves a problem.

Which makes it a plot device.
Why? Because it's not contrived.

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
We didn't know the prohean sabataged any thing till we talked to Vigil, who gave us the data disc that stopped the invasion. allowed us the opportunity to stop Soverign before he could open the Citadel Relay. Which makes the data files a plot device, and Vigil not a DEM.

Fixed that for you.

That still is stopping the invasion.

How is it stopping the invasion when Sovereign is manually priming to start the invasion?

 Because it overrides Soverigns commands.

No it doesn't. Did you watch the conversation that you yourself linked to me?

That what stops soverign.Sovergins goal is starting the reaper invasion.....This stops it...

[Conniving_Eagle]

xsdob wrote...

Really?...Really? Cause I've been going through the thread looking at all the "debate" and "rebuttals" and it all seems to boil down to this.

"nu-uh" "yeah-huh" "nu-uh" "yeah-huh" repeated for about 12 pages at the time of this posting.

Yeah, my last post above a few ^^^

But the flame war continues...

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ofcouse I can discredit a source because it's not an offical dictionary. If it's not an offical dictionary, ithas no real credit.

Wow. Where did you learn to debate?

I'm genuinely curious.

Listen, debating tis is like trying to debate that siting wikipideia is credible. Also, a dictonary does not have be a book to be credible.

So you reply to me post with a non-answer.

You would make a great politician. No, that was not a compliment.

I would care if the person stating it got defintions of words correct.

I posted you the definition of the term "deus ex machina" from Dictionary.com, how much more blunt do you want?

I posted you the definition of the term "deus ex machina" from TvTropes, how much more blunt do you want?

I'm providing you the evidence, you're the one ignoring it and saying that it's somehow my fault. I don't know if you're an idiot or just ignorant.