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[txgoldrush]

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

No, they are sacrificing both organics and synthetics so that organic life can be perserved.

The Reapers are sacrificing peoples lives to attain their goal.

They are not, by definition of the word "sacrifice", sacrificing anything.

Killing people to achieve your mission and your goals is sacrificing people...plain and simple. The Reapers do it systematically.....sacrificing people for the "greater good"

Just like TIM sacrifices people to achieve his goal at controlling the Reapers.

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...
Once again, DEM can solve a problem, it does not have to solve the main one.

Vigil's disk clearly solves a problem.

Which makes it a plot device.
Why? Because it's not contrived.

A plot device can still be a deus ex. 

[Conniving_Eagle]

[Applepie_Svk]

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

No, they are sacrificing both organics and synthetics so that organic life can be perserved.

The Reapers are sacrificing peoples lives to attain their goal.

They are not, by definition of the word "sacrifice", sacrificing anything.

They cannot a sacrifice something which isn´t even their, it´s not sacrifice it is murded ...

txgoldrush wrote...


Killing people to achieve your mission and your goals is sacrificing people...plain and simple. The Reapers do it systematically.....sacrificing people for the "greater good"

Just like TIM sacrifices people to achieve his goal at controlling the Reapers.

 

So WW2 was also for greater good ? Germans sacrificing others ?.... rly dude ... I am always saying that nothing can surprise me more but than I came back to BSN to find that I was mistaken, once again...

Modifié par Applepie_Svk, 14 juillet 2012 - 07:13 .

[Conniving_Eagle]

They're just going at it. Let me get some popcorn...

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

That what stops soverign.Sovergins goal is starting the reaper invasion.....This stops it...

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THAT ISN'T STOPPING SOVEREIGN FROM ANYTHING. 

VIGIL ITSELF SAYS HIS FILE WILL ONLY WORK TEMPORARILY AND THAT SOVEREIGN WILL RETAIN CONTROL.

[o Ventus]

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

No, they are sacrificing both organics and synthetics so that organic life can be perserved.

The Reapers are sacrificing peoples lives to attain their goal.

They are not, by definition of the word "sacrifice", sacrificing anything.

Killing people to achieve your mission and your goals is sacrificing people...plain and simple. The Reapers do it systematically.....sacrificing people for the "greater good"

Just like TIM sacrifices people to achieve his goal at controlling the Reapers.

BY DEFINITION OF THE WORd "SACRIFICE", THEY ARE NOT SACRIFICING ANYTHING.

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Ofcouse I can discredit a source because it's not an offical dictionary. If it's not an offical dictionary, ithas no real credit.

Wow. Where did you learn to debate?

I'm genuinely curious.

Listen, debating tis is like trying to debate that siting wikipideia is credible. Also, a dictonary does not have be a book to be credible.

So you reply to me post with a non-answer.

You would make a great politician. No, that was not a compliment.

I would care if the person stating it got defintions of words correct.

I posted you the definition of the term "deus ex machina" from Dictionary.com, how much more blunt do you want?

I posted you the definition of the term "deus ex machina" from TvTropes, how much more blunt do you want?

I'm providing you the evidence, you're the one ignoring it and saying that it's somehow my fault. I don't know if you're an idiot or just ignorant.

The tvtropes defintion would make the star child not a deus ex and vigil a deus ex.

[txgoldrush]

Applepie_Svk wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

No, they are sacrificing both organics and synthetics so that organic life can be perserved.

The Reapers are sacrificing peoples lives to attain their goal.

They are not, by definition of the word "sacrifice", sacrificing anything.

They cannot a sacrifice something which isn´t even their, it´s not sacrifice it is murded ...

Of course its murder....its murder in the name of sacrifice.

Thats where the conflict with Shepard is with both TIM and TC.

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

The tvtropes defintion would make the star child not a deus ex and vigil a deus ex.

Ok? Nobody said the Catalyst is a deus ex machina.

Vigil doesn't resolve any conflict, so congratulations on ignoring the definition of the term.

[txgoldrush]

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

No, they are sacrificing both organics and synthetics so that organic life can be perserved.

The Reapers are sacrificing peoples lives to attain their goal.

They are not, by definition of the word "sacrifice", sacrificing anything.

Killing people to achieve your mission and your goals is sacrificing people...plain and simple. The Reapers do it systematically.....sacrificing people for the "greater good"

Just like TIM sacrifices people to achieve his goal at controlling the Reapers.

BY DEFINITION OF THE WORd "SACRIFICE", THEY ARE NOT SACRIFICING ANYTHING.

Wrong

He sacrificed his creators...the Catalyst is sacrificing organic life to save organic life, like how TIM is sacrificing humanity to bring up humanity.

Murder in the name of sacrifice.

[Conniving_Eagle]

jreezy wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Once again, DEM can solve a problem, it does not have to solve the main one.

Vigil's disk clearly solves a problem.

I guess the math books I used in high school to help with my homework are deus ex machina.

If it was a fiction.

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

That what stops soverign.Sovergins goal is starting the reaper invasion.....This stops it...

...

THAT ISN'T STOPPING SOVEREIGN FROM ANYTHING. 

VIGIL ITSELF SAYS HIS FILE WILL ONLY WORK TEMPORARILY AND THAT SOVEREIGN WILL RETAIN CONTROL.

Sovergins goal=start reaper invasion.

Data dics=override system and stops invation.

Using date disc =Stopping Sovergins goal.

Sovergin goal stopped=stopping Sovergin.

It matter not if it temporarly, it stops Sovergin's goals.

[What a Succulent Ass]

jreezy wrote...

I guess the math books I used in high school to help with my homework are deus ex machina.

SH*T, HOMIE, THE BOOKS I USED MUST HAVE BEEN, BECAUSE I STILL DON'T KNOW hOW I PASSED SECOND YEAR THERMAL PHYSICS

LOLOLOLOLOLOL

Modifié par Random Jerkface, 14 juillet 2012 - 07:17 .

[o Ventus]

txgoldrush wrote...

Of course its murder....its murder in the name of sacrifice.

Thats where the conflict with Shepard is with both TIM and TC.

If it's done "in the name" of sacrifice (Which itself is a non-point), then it is not sacrifice itself.

[txgoldrush]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The tvtropes defintion would make the star child not a deus ex and vigil a deus ex.

Ok? Nobody said the Catalyst is a deus ex machina.

Vigil doesn't resolve any conflict, so congratulations on ignoring the definition of the term.

For the millionth time...a DEM does not have to resolve the main problem or conflict of the story.

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
A plot device can still be a deus ex. 

No... because it would have to be contrived. Plot devices aren't contrived.

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The tvtropes defintion would make the star child not a deus ex and vigil a deus ex.

Ok? Nobody said the Catalyst is a deus ex machina.

Vigil doesn't resolve any conflict, so congratulations on ignoring the definition of the term.

I say he is.

[dreman9999]

jreezy wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Once again, DEM can solve a problem, it does not have to solve the main one.

Vigil's disk clearly solves a problem.

I guess the math books I used in high school to help with my homework are deus ex machina.

You math book didn't come randomly out of the blue and solve anythingfor you. Vigil did.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Conniving_Eagle wrote...

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[IntoTheDarkness]

They are DEM, dull stone.

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

Sovergins goal=start reaper invasion.

Data dics=override system and stops invation.

Using date disc =Stopping Sovergins goal.

Sovergin goal stopped=stopping Sovergin.

It matter not if it temporarly, it stops Sovergin's goals.

Sovereign's goal: Invasion

Vigil's file: Subvert invasion. Note the "subvert".

If the solution is noted by its creator to be temporary, then it is not a solution, as it resolves nothing.

Why are you this obtuse?

[o Ventus]

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The tvtropes defintion would make the star child not a deus ex and vigil a deus ex.

Ok? Nobody said the Catalyst is a deus ex machina.

Vigil doesn't resolve any conflict, so congratulations on ignoring the definition of the term.

For the millionth time...a DEM does not have to resolve the main problem or conflict of the story.

I never said it did?

Literally all I said that was relevant from that post you quoted is that Vigil itself solves nothing. 

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
A plot device can still be a deus ex. 

No... because it would have to be contrived. Plot devices aren't contrived.

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The tvtropes defintion would make the star child not a deus ex and vigil a deus ex.

Ok? Nobody said the Catalyst is a deus ex machina.

Vigil doesn't resolve any conflict, so congratulations on ignoring the definition of the term.

I say he is.

http://tvtropes.org/...n/DeusExMachina 
Read up.

Also,
http://en.wikipedia....of_plot_devices 

[txgoldrush]

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

The tvtropes defintion would make the star child not a deus ex and vigil a deus ex.

Ok? Nobody said the Catalyst is a deus ex machina.

Vigil doesn't resolve any conflict, so congratulations on ignoring the definition of the term.

For the millionth time...a DEM does not have to resolve the main problem or conflict of the story.

I never said it did?

Literally all I said that was relevant from that post you quoted is that Vigil itself solves nothing. 

Vigil solves the problem of Soverign and Saren getting complete control of the station.