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[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

http://tvtropes.org/...n/DeusExMachina 
Read up.

Also,
http://en.wikipedia....of_plot_devices 

Didn't you JUST say TvTropes isn't credible, yet here you are citing them as evidence?

Would you prefer I call you a hypocrite or call it a double standard?

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sovergins goal=start reaper invasion.

Data dics=override system and stops invation.

Using date disc =Stopping Sovergins goal.

Sovergin goal stopped=stopping Sovergin.

It matter not if it temporarly, it stops Sovergin's goals.

Sovereign's goal: Invasion

Vigil's file: Subvert invasion. Note the "subvert".

If the solution is noted by its creator to be temporary, then it is not a solution, as it resolves nothing.

Why are you this obtuse?

It still stops the invaion.

[Conniving_Eagle]

Time to forget this.

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

http://tvtropes.org/...n/DeusExMachina 
Read up.

Also,
http://en.wikipedia....of_plot_devices 

Didn't you JUST say TvTropes isn't credible, yet here you are citing them as evidence?

Would you prefer I call you a hypocrite or call it a double standard?

No, I said dictonary .com was not credible.

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
http://tvtropes.org/...n/DeusExMachina 
Read up.

Also,
http://en.wikipedia....of_plot_devices 

I stand corrected. 

However, Vigil and his datafile aren't contrived.

GlowBoy and his solutions, are.

[IntoTheDarkness]

Look, OP. L project is not DEM because it is pulled of an ass, yes, but it does not resolve the plot at its peak point, neither does Tali's proofs.

Catalyst and Crucible are, however.

[o Ventus]

txgoldrush wrote...

Vigil solves the problem of Soverign and Saren getting complete control of the station.

Vigil does not deny access of the Citadel from Sovereign. Vigil itself says to you that his file is only temporary and does not stop Sovereign from from anything.

[txgoldrush]

From Mass Effect wiki....

"Vigil gives Shepard a data file that will grant temporary direct control of the Citadel's functions,"

Which leads to Soverign's defeat.

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

http://tvtropes.org/...n/DeusExMachina 
Read up.

Also,
http://en.wikipedia....of_plot_devices 

Didn't you JUST say TvTropes isn't credible, yet here you are citing them as evidence?

Would you prefer I call you a hypocrite or call it a double standard?

No, I said dictonary .com was not credible.

You're right, my bad.

That's actually worse.

[dreman9999]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...
http://tvtropes.org/...n/DeusExMachina 
Read up.

Also,
http://en.wikipedia....of_plot_devices 

I stand corrected. 

However, Vigil and his datafile aren't contrived.

GlowBoy and his solutions, are.

Vigal and the data file solves the problem.
Star child doesn't. The choices are not his and they still don't solve any thing, they add more to the problem.

[o Ventus]

txgoldrush wrote...

From Mass Effect wiki....

"Vigil gives Shepard a data file that will grant temporary direct control of the Citadel's functions,"

Which leads to Soverign's defeat.

Saren's 2nd death leads to Sovereign's defeat. Did you play ME1?

[txgoldrush]

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Vigil solves the problem of Soverign and Saren getting complete control of the station.

Vigil does not deny access of the Citadel from Sovereign. Vigil itself says to you that his file is only temporary and does not stop Sovereign from from anything.

However without it, Shepard loses, plain and simple.

[Reptilian Rob]

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

ME1 - finding humanity's place in the galaxy
ME2 - earning the loyalty and trust for a tough mission.
ME3 -  victory through sacrifice.

THOSE are the themes of the games.

You are consciously aware that none of the 3 games adhere to only 1 theme, right?

And no, ME3 is most certainly not victory through sacrifice, otherwise I wouldn't be getting Aralakh company + the rachni, or krogan + salarian support, or geth + quarian support.

You've got your definitions of "thematics" all mixed up.

I wish people would stop getting all their info from Wikilazy, or is asking for some genuine research too much to ask? Probably. 

[o Ventus]

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sovergins goal=start reaper invasion.

Data dics=override system and stops invation.

Using date disc =Stopping Sovergins goal.

Sovergin goal stopped=stopping Sovergin.

It matter not if it temporarly, it stops Sovergin's goals.

Sovereign's goal: Invasion

Vigil's file: Subvert invasion. Note the "subvert".

If the solution is noted by its creator to be temporary, then it is not a solution, as it resolves nothing.

Why are you this obtuse?

It still stops the invaion.

...

Explain to me how. If Vigil's solution is temporary, Sovereign will take control again, it's only a matter of time. That's kind of what temporary means.

[xsdob]

You guys can't even agree whether the data disc opened the arms and let the fifth fleet in to kill sovereign after his shields drop and whether to save the council or not?

This is just getting childish now.

[txgoldrush]

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

From Mass Effect wiki....

"Vigil gives Shepard a data file that will grant temporary direct control of the Citadel's functions,"

Which leads to Soverign's defeat.

Saren's 2nd death leads to Sovereign's defeat. Did you play ME1?

The data file leads to Saren's second death.

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Vigil solves the problem of Soverign and Saren getting complete control of the station.

Vigil does not deny access of the Citadel from Sovereign. Vigil itself says to you that his file is only temporary and does not stop Sovereign from from anything.

Yes it did.

[o Ventus]

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Vigil solves the problem of Soverign and Saren getting complete control of the station.

Vigil does not deny access of the Citadel from Sovereign. Vigil itself says to you that his file is only temporary and does not stop Sovereign from from anything.

However without it, Shepard loses, plain and simple.

That does not make it the sole proprietor to Sovereign's downfall, only a contributor. 

Congratulations, you've just undermined your own point.

[dreman9999]

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

dreman9999 wrote...

Sovergins goal=start reaper invasion.

Data dics=override system and stops invation.

Using date disc =Stopping Sovergins goal.

Sovergin goal stopped=stopping Sovergin.

It matter not if it temporarly, it stops Sovergin's goals.

Sovereign's goal: Invasion

Vigil's file: Subvert invasion. Note the "subvert".

If the solution is noted by its creator to be temporary, then it is not a solution, as it resolves nothing.

Why are you this obtuse?

It still stops the invaion.

...

Explain to me how. If Vigil's solution is temporary, Sovereign will take control again, it's only a matter of time. That's kind of what temporary means.

The very fact that once it's putinto the system, sovergin has no way to start the invasion is the reason why. Even if its temporary, It's stops the invasion.

[IntoTheDarkness]

Shepard's death was put into the game with Lazarus project in mind; no sense in killing the protagonist for good at the beginning of the game. = No DEM

Tali's proof serves to prove Saren a traitor, which is relevant and not contrived as Tali sought to study Geth before she found the evidence. The explanations are a bit weak as the counsel did not suspect the evidence being forged, but still = No DEM

Catalyst and crucible both come out of freaking nowhere and have absolutely no relevancy to the situation or the lore of the game. They are virtually a god machine superweapon that is pulled out of writers ass and solves the plots that complicated over 3 trilogy. = DEM for damn sure.

[o Ventus]

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

From Mass Effect wiki....

"Vigil gives Shepard a data file that will grant temporary direct control of the Citadel's functions,"

Which leads to Soverign's defeat.

Saren's 2nd death leads to Sovereign's defeat. Did you play ME1?

The data file leads to Saren's second death.

Not sure if forgetful or stupid...

Vigil explicitly says his file will give Shepard temporary control of Citadel systems. How does this lead to Saren dying at all, nevermind twice?

[Ticonderoga117]

dreman9999 wrote...
Vigal and the data file solves the problem.
Star child doesn't. The choices are not his and they still don't solve any thing, they add more to the problem.

But it's not contrived. It doesn't "feel" wrong.

GlowBoy does solve a problem. His problem, which thanks to the writers, is now our problem. They are his choices, otherwise he wouldn't present them.

[Reptilian Rob]

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

txgoldrush wrote...

Vigil solves the problem of Soverign and Saren getting complete control of the station.

Vigil does not deny access of the Citadel from Sovereign. Vigil itself says to you that his file is only temporary and does not stop Sovereign from from anything.

However without it, Shepard loses, plain and simple.

That does not make it the sole proprietor to Sovereign's downfall, only a contributor. 

Congratulations, you've just undermined your own point.

"In the absence of a solid stance, the argument will degrade into petty argumentation." - McKee.

[What a Succulent Ass]

jreezy wrote...

Indeed, the use of the books was obviously a contrived, unexpected event used to solve your Thermal Physics problem. Therefore, deus ex machina.

Considering that I was am so poor I couldn't afford the texts, and that someone I didn't know from deep within the bowels of my social network appeared as if from nowhere to lend me them, I rather agree.

...Actually, in light of my income, I'm surprised I haven't starved to death.

Must be all that plot armour.