...Xemnas07 wrote...
youre an idiot, we're npt saying the catalyst or crucible are rip offs, we're saying the idea of organics vs synthetics is, the whole purpose of the reapers and solution created by the catalyst is a rip STRAIGHT from DEM
dreman9999 wrote...
http://www.merriam-w...deus ex machinaThe Angry One wrote...
ITT: OP does not know what a deus ex machina is.
Oh right it's goldrush. Moving along.
Deus ex machina
a person or thing (as in fiction or drama) that appears or is introduced suddenly and unexpectedly and provides a contrived solution to an apparently insoluble difficulty.
Based on the literal meaning, Tali in ME1 is a deus ex. The catalyst is not because it solves nothing.
txgoldrush wrote...
TheCrazyHobo wrote...
This OP is not looking for discussion but is only trolling.
Pay no more head to this thread and let it die.
Better than yet another pissing thread on how ME3 sucks because of one little thing.
txgoldrush wrote...
No matter how often you say it....they are just too ignorant to face this fact.
FACT: SHEPARD is the solution.
He is the "Deus Ex", which means that DEM isn't present.
txgoldrush wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
http://www.merriam-w...deus ex machinaThe Angry One wrote...
ITT: OP does not know what a deus ex machina is.
Oh right it's goldrush. Moving along.
Deus ex machina
a person or thing (as in fiction or drama) that appears or is introduced suddenly and unexpectedly and provides a contrived solution to an apparently insoluble difficulty.
Based on the literal meaning, Tali in ME1 is a deus ex. The catalyst is not because it solves nothing.
No matter how often you say it....they are just too ignorant to face this fact.
FACT: SHEPARD is the solution.
He is the "Deus Ex", which means that DEM isn't present.
Modifié par The Angry One, 14 juillet 2012 - 05:37 .
1.Ticonderoga117 wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
1. You not get what going on. What are the chances of someone just something that rare info we need to solve a problem and what are the chances out of all the places they can be in the universe, they are on the citadel?
Once you awnser this question, you'll know it'd a deus ex.
2.That not solving the problem. It even explain why he does this. That is not being a deus ex. He still brings us up to choices that have more problems then before. How is this being a deux ex? He solves nothing.
1. That's not a DEM. The literay term you want is on another dictionary page. The data is a mix of serendipity mixed with good timing.
2. Yes, it does. Without the Catalyst to bring Shepard up and talk shop, She would've died in front of that console and not be able to solve the plot. The Catalyst, however, does this, explains them, and has the graciousness to allow you to choose because..... he's bad written.
Xemnas07 wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
TheCrazyHobo wrote...
This OP is not looking for discussion but is only trolling.
Pay no more head to this thread and let it die.
Better than yet another pissing thread on how ME3 sucks because of one little thing.
im gonna have to agree that that gets old, theWHOLE game doesnt suck, the game was perfect pre-ending, just the unoriginal, plot hole filled ending ripped from DEM is what sucks, the rest is amazing
What are the chance in the universe as large as ME that as something as rare as info needed to conviict Saren is not only found but ends up on the citadel by chance at the moment we needed it?The Angry One wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
http://www.merriam-w...deus ex machinaThe Angry One wrote...
ITT: OP does not know what a deus ex machina is.
Oh right it's goldrush. Moving along.
Deus ex machina
a person or thing (as in fiction or drama) that appears or is introduced suddenly and unexpectedly and provides a contrived solution to an apparently insoluble difficulty.
Based on the literal meaning, Tali in ME1 is a deus ex. The catalyst is not because it solves nothing.
No matter how often you say it....they are just too ignorant to face this fact.
FACT: SHEPARD is the solution.
He is the "Deus Ex", which means that DEM isn't present.
Tali does not appear suddenly or unexpectedly. You are looking for evidence. You are told a Quarian is on the station with the evidence. You go look for her and eventually find this. This provides a resolution to the current goal and a squadmate introduction. This is not a DEM. Please stop trying to bash ME3's betters to defend it.
When you've resorted to that you have already lost.
txgoldrush wrote...
And almost every percieved plot hole is closed by the EC.
dreman9999 wrote...
What are the chance in the universe as large as ME that as something as rare as info needed to conviict Saren is not only found but ends up on the citadel by chance at the moment we needed it?
That is why it's a deus ex.
Modifié par The Angry One, 14 juillet 2012 - 05:41 .
The Angry One wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
And almost every percieved plot hole is closed by the EC.
Normandy extraction - new plot hole
Catalyst "logic" - expanded plot hole
Breath scene - still doesn't make sense
"The Crucible is activated! Run for it!" - Why?
Jungle planet - Normandy not damaged, lands anyway?
Synthesis explanation - Even more bizarre with multiple contradictions and broken logic
Modifié par MegaSovereign, 14 juillet 2012 - 05:43 .
The Angry One wrote...
dreman9999 wrote...
What are the chance in the universe as large as ME that as something as rare as info needed to conviict Saren is not only found but ends up on the citadel by chance at the moment we needed it?
That is why it's a deus ex.
That is not a deus ex machina. At worst it's a contrivance to speed up the plot so you're not running around the Citadel forever.
The Catalyst on the other hand is the most literal deus ex machina since Zeus was winched down onto the stage to resolve the plot.
txgoldrush wrote...
oooh nos...they didn't explain it...it must be a plot hole.....
No wonder why I look down on most of BSN currently.
A bunch of whiney babies that must be spoon fed everything.
txgoldrush wrote...
But the fact is SHEPARD RESOLVES THE PLOT!!!!!
Like dreman said once again, the Catalyst doesn't even solve anything.
Modifié par The Angry One, 14 juillet 2012 - 05:44 .
dreman9999 wrote...1.
http://www.merriam-w...deus ex machina
a person or thing (as in fiction or drama) that appears or is introduced suddenly and unexpectedly and provides a contrived solution to an apparently insoluble difficulty .
Based ont the literal meaning, Tali is a Deus ex.
2. No, it does not. It's expline why the catalyst brings up Shepard. Add, the choice give still add more problems. Bring ing him up to give Shepard more problems is not a deus ex.
MegaSovereign wrote...
>Liara becomes Shadow Broker
>After the Arrival incident, Liara focuses on finding a way to stop the Reapers
>Shadow Broker files lead to the Prothean archives
>Archives uncovers Crucible blue-prints.
The Crucible is introduced through a chain of events. It's a plot device that comes up naturally in the narrative, Even in functionality, the Crucible exploits existing technology (the Citadel/Mass Relay network). So whether you're considering the way it was introduced or what it actually does, it's not a DEM.
The Angry One wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
oooh nos...they didn't explain it...it must be a plot hole.....
No wonder why I look down on most of BSN currently.
A bunch of whiney babies that must be spoon fed everything.
Ah yes, insults when you can't respond with a proper argument. Of course.
No, they're plot holes and nonsensical elements whether you like it or not.
I realise you're trolling us at this point, but do at least pretend you believe in what you say.txgoldrush wrote...
But the fact is SHEPARD RESOLVES THE PLOT!!!!!
Like dreman said once again, the Catalyst doesn't even solve anything.
Replace Shepard with Conrad Verner.
What changes?
txgoldrush wrote...
MegaSovereign wrote...
>Liara becomes Shadow Broker
>After the Arrival incident, Liara focuses on finding a way to stop the Reapers
>Shadow Broker files lead to the Prothean archives
>Archives uncovers Crucible blue-prints.
The Crucible is introduced through a chain of events. It's a plot device that comes up naturally in the narrative, Even in functionality, the Crucible exploits existing technology (the Citadel/Mass Relay network). So whether you're considering the way it was introduced or what it actually does, it's not a DEM.
And this will be covered in Homeworlds #4 as well, which is around Liara.
Modifié par The Angry One, 14 juillet 2012 - 05:47 .
txgoldrush wrote...
At least I can use my brain and fill in the gaps, which the avergae ME3 hater is incapable of doing.
Nevermind that it is very well intentional that the Catalyst has circular logic and is part of the problem he is trying to solve.
Mr.House wrote...
The crucible is not a DEM, it's just a poor plot device. However Starbrat is a DEM and no one can argue that. The only thing that stops it from being a true DEM is Shepard was brought up to him, not the other way around.
Mr.House wrote...
The crucible is not a DEM, it's just a poor plot device. However Starbrat is a DEM and no one can argue that. The only thing that stops it from being a true DEM is Shepard was brought up to him, not the other way around.
The Angry One wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
At least I can use my brain and fill in the gaps, which the avergae ME3 hater is incapable of doing.
Yet more insults and evasions.
Answer the question. Replace Shepard with Conrad Verner. What changes?Nevermind that it is very well intentional that the Catalyst has circular logic and is part of the problem he is trying to solve.
If it were intentional then we'd be able to resist it, successfully.
txgoldrush wrote...
The Angry One wrote...
txgoldrush wrote...
At least I can use my brain and fill in the gaps, which the avergae ME3 hater is incapable of doing.
Yet more insults and evasions.
Answer the question. Replace Shepard with Conrad Verner. What changes?Nevermind that it is very well intentional that the Catalyst has circular logic and is part of the problem he is trying to solve.
If it were intentional then we'd be able to resist it, successfully.
Conrad Verner wouldn't even make it, nor less be able to dock the Crucible. Nevermind that Shep is partly synthetic that plays a role in synthesis. Nevermind the fact that Shepard influcenced the Catalyst and it caused him to think of new possibilties....guess thats not Shepard's influence in any way (sarcasm)
You can resist the Catalyst..its called the Destroy and Control endings.
Modifié par Conniving_Eagle, 14 juillet 2012 - 05:58 .
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