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[Moonwish]

I think the commenters are in a great misunderstanding. The main point is, that Shepard is supposed to be THE N7, THE Human Spectre, THE most awesome killing machine of Earth, but these new flashy stuff the n7 classes got are a bit more @sskicking then his old stuff. Yeah, Shep doesnt really NEED these, but that does not mean he/she would not be better with them. But dont worry, Im sure BW will release these new stuff in a cool, highprice dlc

[RasenRebirth]

Moonwish wrote...

I think the commenters are in a great misunderstanding. The main point is, that Shepard is supposed to be THE N7, THE Human Spectre, THE most awesome killing machine of Earth, but these new flashy stuff the n7 classes got are a bit more @sskicking then his old stuff. Yeah, Shep doesnt really NEED these, but that does not mean he/she would not be better with them. But dont worry, Im sure BW will release these new stuff in a cool, highprice dlc

I hope that we get them high priced not so much unless it comes with a N7 camp where they are trained and can buy new N7 stuff and upgrades depending on class.

[RasenRebirth]

Shep is looking better as these guys keep getting nerfed

[Uberschveinen]

Shepard accrues more bonuses than any other N7 character, and if you are a completionist, more than any three of them combined. Just because they are not on his profile doesn't mean they aren't there. Between Armour and Liara's buffs, you can get well over 100% bonus damage as a passive, before powers and bonuses are included at all, for example. Soldier Shep as an example has better ammo powers than anyone in MP can ever achieve, and can Rush so hard time slows down. He has more powers and more synergy and customisability; Sentinel can get ridiculous DR and still keep four other powers in use.

The reason the other N7s are augmented in extremely specific ways is because they have to hyperspecialise to be able to fight at their level. Shepard does not. Shepard is the best at what he does because he can always bring more to the fight. He is best in the world at his niche, and among the best at whatever others you choose. It's like pitting a wannabe boxer who spent ten years training how to do a world-shattering right hook and nothing else, and pitting him against, say, Prince Naseem in his prime. Yes, the wannabe is better at the right hook. He is still going to be utterly destroyed.

[RasenRebirth]

Uberschveinen wrote...

Shepard accrues more bonuses than any other N7 character, and if you are a completionist, more than any three of them combined. Just because they are not on his profile doesn't mean they aren't there. Between Armour and Liara's buffs, you can get well over 100% bonus damage as a passive, before powers and bonuses are included at all, for example. Soldier Shep as an example has better ammo powers than anyone in MP can ever achieve, and can Rush so hard time slows down. He has more powers and more synergy and customisability; Sentinel can get ridiculous DR and still keep four other powers in use.

The reason the other N7s are augmented in extremely specific ways is because they have to hyperspecialise to be able to fight at their level. Shepard does not. Shepard is the best at what he does because he can always bring more to the fight. He is best in the world at his niche, and among the best at whatever others you choose. It's like pitting a wannabe boxer who spent ten years training how to do a world-shattering right hook and nothing else, and pitting him against, say, Prince Naseem in his prime. Yes, the wannabe is better at the right hook. He is still going to be utterly destroyed.

Still id like to see him have the tech though

[NightAntilli]

Anderson is also an N7. Can you see him doing acrobatics and teleporting through walls? Now don't get me wrong. I also felt that some of the N7 classes capabilities surpass Shepard's in multiple ways. But that doesn't mean that all N7 are like that or that Shepard should be great and surpass everyone else in everything. In fact, only half of the ones in MP really have capabilities that surpass Shepard's. The Destroyer, Demolisher and Paladin don't really surpass Shepard. While the N7 classes are great at what they do, they are specialists and not versatile like Shepard, since he can adapt much more easily to multiple situations due to the variety of powers and abilities.

[Ramazon7]

Shepard has double throw. I MEAN. DOUBLE. THROW.

Can't beat that.

[Ramazon7]

Also sorry for double post but Shepard's biggest strength is not his own but the charisma and leadership that makes different people and/or aliens to join his cause no matter their differences or backstories. I watched Deadliest Warrior series yesterday, one episode was Roman Centurion vs Indian Rajput. The Rajput won because he was specialized in 1v1 combat and had more advanced tech (steel armor and weapons). The Centurions built the Empire across Europe, Rajputs did not. That's because Centurions biggest strengths were their soldiers. That's Shepard's strength.

[SavagelyEpic]

Moonwish wrote...

I think the commenters are in a great misunderstanding. The main point is, that Shepard is supposed to be THE N7, THE Human Spectre, THE most awesome killing machine of Earth, but these new flashy stuff the n7 classes got are a bit more @sskicking then his old stuff. Yeah, Shep doesnt really NEED these, but that does not mean he/she would not be better with them. But dont worry, Im sure BW will release these new stuff in a cool, highprice dlc

See that's the thing most people in this thread as assumming: That flashy=effective.

The new N7 characters are flashy, not necessarily kickass.

They're maxed out at level 20 and only have 5 skills, Shepard is level 60 and has more than twice the number of skills (might be wrong on that). And besides, that's what makes him/her so kickass, these guys need to run around in teams of four and still end up dying while Shep hunted down Saren and all his geth armies without any of those fancy ass implants. And if you go to Pinnacle Station in ME1, you can top all the records and basically establish yourself as the best damn killing machine there ever was.

MY Shepard thinks they're scrubs. ALL of them.

Ramazon7 wrote...

Also sorry for double post but Shepard's biggest strength is not his own but the charisma and leadership that makes different people and/or aliens to join his cause no matter their differences or backstories. I watched Deadliest Warrior series yesterday, one episode was Roman Centurion vs Indian Rajput. The Rajput won because he was specialized in 1v1 combat and had more advanced tech (steel armor and weapons). The Centurions built the Empire across Europe, Rajputs did not. That's because Centurions biggest strengths were their soldiers. That's Shepard's strength.

 

Also this.

Modifié par SavagelyEpic, 04 août 2012 - 07:20 .

[DullahansXMark]

[MaggotFragger]

Well, Shepard is only cool because he/she belongs to the plot, the plot has his back, it equips him/her with PLOT ARMOUR. This still makes Shepard a great asset and a great person with great intentions, however.

N7 operatives have none of this to cover their backs, which makes them the most brave, fearless fighters in the galaxy!

[D Wrecks]

These new N7 agents are good at killing indoctrinated creatures. Shepard killed how many actual Reapers?

[msngae]

Just Cav wrote...

These new N7 agents are good at killing indoctrinated creatures. Shepard killed how many actual Reapers?

Joker and the Alliance Fleets shared the first one, then Kalros got one, then the Quarian Fleet killed another one, then EDI killed another one.

Not seeing the point here.

[D Wrecks]

Shepard precipitated the attacks that led to the deaths of several reapers. It's really not fair to take credit away from him because he didn't use teleportation and a sword to do it.

[Arppis]

Crimson Vanguard wrote...

Because those N7 guys dont spend too much time to bang Alien

"We'll bang, ok?"

Modifié par Arppis, 04 août 2012 - 09:06 .

[Yosuke]

Still looked good enough to sleep with half the people on the Normandy.

[soultaker65]

Sorry but no Shepard is one of the most OP characters in the mass effect universe.
With the ability to take the powers of anyone loyal to him/her, access every powerful weapon available, and the Reputation to persuade or intimidate anyone into doing what ever he/she wants.
Yeah no contest the N7 guys show where people like Shepard start on the path becoming great but Shepard is already there.

Modifié par soultaker65, 04 août 2012 - 09:35 .

[Fluffeh Kitteh]

MaggotFragger wrote...

Well, Shepard is only cool because he/she belongs to the plot, the plot has his back, it equips him/her with PLOT ARMOUR.

His plot armour can't be that great if I get CRITICAL MISSION FAILURE when his health depletes while in MP depleting the healthbar completely only results in "DYING" and i can even revive myself with my own medi gel XDDD

Modifié par Fluffeh Kitteh, 04 août 2012 - 09:32 .

[razzy1319]

I wonder what EMS/War Asset number would be? OVER 9000!?

[Core_Commander]

GGW KillerTiger wrote...

LEvel 60 commander sheperd = level 2 N7 multiplayer charachter

Lore is destroyed due to Sheperd supossed to be best N7 operative which is why he/she was first human spectre ..... Way to fail BioWare. You retain the name of BioFail.

I don't expect you to listen to logic and reason, but... Shepard is old school, got his training years before those new classes and their training program were created. You could say he's "obsolete", and he's still better through experience and versatility it affords him (number of abilities/bonus abilities etc).

You retain the name of GGW KillerWhiner.

Modifié par Core_Commander, 04 août 2012 - 09:57 .

[N7Kopper]

MaggotFragger wrote...

Well, Shepard is only cool because he/she belongs to the plot, the plot has his back, it equips him/her with PLOT ARMOUR. This still makes Shepard a great asset and a great person with great intentions, however.

Plot armour? Pfft, no. Joker has all of that. The only way that brittle-boned pilot is dying is if the Reapers win, the Crucible immolates the galaxy, or you, the player, walk him into a Collector. And that one doesn't count, because it's merely a Game Over, and needs to be continued from. Hell, even Garrus and Liara have more opportunities to die, and they're pretty much tied second, except Garrus takes part in the Suicide Mission, so he can die more than she can.

Speaking of the suicide mission, that brings Shepard's plot deaths up to... about 5? Once if you screw up the Suicide Mission, two for Control and Synthesis, one for the Reapers winning, and one for insufficient EMS on Destroy. And as a side note, Shepard is the only character (apart from Joker) who can ever die in a proper gameplay firefight. Even if the kill feed says you're dead... you're just knocked out.

But to go on about Shep's badass:

He came back from being so close to dead, most people thought (and still think) he actually was dead.
He has lots of romantic interests fawning all over him (or her, for Thane, Traynor, Garrus, and a first-game Kaidan)
SO MANY POWERS, plus nothing of those wimpy 6/6/6/6/0-type builds.The lowest Shepard rolls with is a 4.
He don't need no stinkin' revives. He'll roll the whole series without ever running out of HP.
He can green Dark Channel. He's so damn good, he can do something that only a Prothean can. Even if the difference is merely a visual one.
With the help of Gibbed, he can pull weapons out of unknown orifices - including the Resurgence weapons. (Offer void on PS3)
He has instant reaction times, even quicker than those of a Reaper, as well as a newly-unjammable radar.
He killed a (naked) Reaper with small arms and a single infantry-carried heavy weapon at the Collector base, sicced Kalros on another on Tuchanka, played blink tank for the entire Migrant Fleet on Rannoch, and then killed another on Earth by FIRING 'ZE MISSLEZ, and finally scared Harbinger's proverbial trousers off by surviving a direct hit that can blow up dreadnoughts and probably glass entire planets.
He can do the work of four elite N7 Special Operatives accompanied by two barely-competent allies who hide behind him most of the time (seriously, henchmen are inately aggroed less than players) do less damage with the same weapons, and take forever to cool down most of their powers. At least said allies are good with politics, and potentially in bed.
He can turn back time whenever he screws up or just plain feels like it.
Shepard's squadmates are worth 25 TMS (except Wrex, who is worth 30), N7 operatives are worth 75 each, but Shepard himself (pre-EC, thank you multiplayer haters) was worth a whopping 1000 under the right circumstances.

Modifié par N7Kopper, 04 août 2012 - 10:19 .

[msngae]

Just Cav wrote...

Shepard precipitated the attacks that led to the deaths of several reapers. It's really not fair to take credit away from him because he didn't use teleportation and a sword to do it.

By that logic we'd be crediting Forward Observers with artillery kills, and ATC/AWACS with air-to-air kills.

His contributions to the reaper kills were: Saren, HAMMERZEIT, pointing a laser and bridging two networks. I'd give him partial credit for Kalros, but for the others, you may as well say Erich Hartmann's mechanics were aces and be done with it.

[N7Kopper]

msngae wrote...
pointing a laser

I'd love to see you hold a laser completely steady when a Reaper Destroyer is close enough, you could smell it's breath if it respirated, and aiming it's instant-kill beam at you... and charging.

[Untonic]

Shepard is.... THEIR FATHER!

THEY ARE HYBRID CREATURES OF MASS POTENTIAL!

...the future, is now.