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One employee says he lives, one employee says he dies. I swear they're planning this stuff.

WTF bioware does this to ****** us off honestly the bad thing is now I am not even joking about it anymore or exaggerating 

This is a problem with customer complaints. People seem to assume that companies go out of their way to ****** them off, as if they don't have better things to do or that the displeasure of one specific person is worth the full bearing of one company.

Truth is, you're not important enough for that.

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chemiclord wrote...

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Oh I never doubted for a second that he survived. I'm just saying that they're playing mind games with us. They want to see war, I swear.


It seemed pretty simple to me.  Fans have been griping about how Shepard must have died in the scene as it played out, so one of the writers slapped on the troll mask and said, "Sure.  It was his last gasp.  Problem?"

If people are hellbent on being miserable about the breath scene... why should Bioware keep trying to convince them otherwise?


Yeah who are we, demanding to have uplifting endings like Mass Effect 1 and Mass Effect 2.  Such cheesy endings amirite? :D

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chemiclord wrote...

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Oh I never doubted for a second that he survived. I'm just saying that they're playing mind games with us. They want to see war, I swear.


It seemed pretty simple to me.  Fans have been griping about how Shepard must have died in the scene as it played out, so one of the writers slapped on the troll mask and said, "Sure.  It was his last gasp.  Problem?"

If people are hellbent on being miserable about the breath scene... why should Bioware keep trying to convince them otherwise?


You can't blame people for wanting closure. Speculationz is what caused the ending ****storm in the first place. I love the EC ending, but only because the Control ending provided closure.

Why are you saying "fans" in third person? Aren't you a fan too?

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 15 juillet 2012 - 02:24 .


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I give it an overall meh rating, didn't discuss anything really that interesting and the panel didn't get a grilling.

I was expecting to see something like the following during the Q&A:
(the man is the fans, the woman is the panel)

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I predict it will take place on Lorek.

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Great a teaser.....

Man that was a terrible convention. Terrible questions, no real announcements.

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I really hope underwater means Kahjee (?). I would love to see the Hanar homeworld.

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MegaSovereign wrote...

You can't blame people for wanting closure. Speculationz is what caused the ending ****storm in the first place. I love the EC ending, but only because the Control ending provided closure.

Why are you saying "fans" in third person? Aren't you a fan too?


At this point, I'm not so sure anymore.

I wasn't entirely fond of ME3... it was fun enough to play, decent enough as story, the endings with the EC are tolerable at the bare minimum...

... but at the same time, I hold no delusions that this was the "epic" series that other fans have been trying to paint itself out to be.  Mass Effect, from 1 to 3, was hardly the innovative or spectacular narrative that fans want it to be.  I honestly remember not being particularly inclined to buy ME2 because of how boring and cliche ME1 was at times.  ME2 was equally bothersome in the other direction... too much style, very little substance.  ME3 kinda hit that happy medium, but it never really completely came together.

Maybe I just never had that same investment other people put into it.  Maybe that's why I'm not upset.  But I like to think that I saw the whole series as it was rather than what I wanted it to be: A decent story and a fun game to play... but not much more than that.

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I predict it will take place on Lorek.


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chemiclord wrote...

Dranks wrote...

Oh I never doubted for a second that he survived. I'm just saying that they're playing mind games with us. They want to see war, I swear.


It seemed pretty simple to me.  Fans have been griping about how Shepard must have died in the scene as it played out, so one of the writers slapped on the troll mask and said, "Sure.  It was his last gasp.  Problem?"

If people are hellbent on being miserable about the breath scene... why should Bioware keep trying to convince them otherwise?


My theory is that Cmdr Shepard is a videogame character who never actually existed.  No seriously folks, all this nosense about whether he/she "really" lived or not.  It's open to interpretation. You can be a rational human being that has read a decent book or seen a good movie before and realize that he/she is supposed to be alive, or you can be addicted to hating Mass Effect 3 and being miserable and think that he/she died.  That's how interpretation works see!

Whats-his-face on the panel was clearly trolling the latter group btw.  It worked.

Modifié par CINCTuchanka, 15 juillet 2012 - 02:38 .


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Christ what a bunch of ****foot questionnaires.

I mean, at the Family Guy panel, someone asked Seth Mcfarlane if he was a Manatee. That takes cajones! And that was one of the NICER questions!

FFS people! Grow a pair and put the screws on!

/Dissapointment in fans that were present.

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Reorte wrote...

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Closure is "Shepard is dead".  Closure is not "Shepard lives under specific circumstances in one of the endings" since that doesn't actually close anything, as it leaves quite a few questions unanswered: How is Shepard rescued from the Citadel?  Does Shepard retire from military service?  Does Shepard reunite with her/his LI?  Do they have kids?  What are the names of the kids?  What else does Shepard do? etc.

I mean, hell, the Control ending doesn't even deliver closure.  Since we never get to see what Computer Overlord Shepard says to its friends.

Closure is knowing where everyone is at the end of the story and by implication knowing what sort of paths are open to them in the future. It doesn't include that beyond-the-story future. No certain death and no certain reunion sure as hell isn't closure but it doesn't need to show us a house on Rannoch or little blue babies.



This....


Each squadmate tells you what they plan on doing after the war(if they survive).....that's enough closure for me....I saw the impact my sacrifice had on the galaxy and I know that Tali is building a house, Wrex is having mad kids, drinks are on Kasumi, we're meeting Jacob in Rio. Garrus and I are retiring and living off the war vids....and Liara is gonna pop a blue mini-me....


That's enough closure for me, just knowing....I don't need a picture to know....I understand quite clearly what was said

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That was a disapointment. The only reason I was paying attention to the convention was in case there was information for Leviathan DLC or information on new endings. The only desent teaser they gave was that there will probably be Omega DLC, and honestly, I don't care all the much about Omega. If Omega affected the ending, I MIGHT buy it. If not, no way.

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CINCTuchanka wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

Dranks wrote...

Oh I never doubted for a second that he survived. I'm just saying that they're playing mind games with us. They want to see war, I swear.


It seemed pretty simple to me.  Fans have been griping about how Shepard must have died in the scene as it played out, so one of the writers slapped on the troll mask and said, "Sure.  It was his last gasp.  Problem?"

If people are hellbent on being miserable about the breath scene... why should Bioware keep trying to convince them otherwise?


My theory is that Cmdr Shepard is a videogame character who never actually existed.  No seriously folks, all this nosense about whether he/she "really" lived or not.  It's open to interpretation. You can be a rational human being that has read a decent book or seen a good movie before and realize that he/she is supposed to be alive, or you can be addicted to hating Mass Effect 3 and being miserable and think that he/she died.  That's how interpretation works see!

Whats-his-face on the panel was clearly trolling the latter group btw.  It worked.


I think its just that Bioware has an epidemic of foot in mouth disease. Don't worry guys Shepard lives.

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I wished they'd announced a date and a price point, but eh.

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

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I'm actually very very happy I didn't spend money to go to Comic Con - because this panel would've been really the only thing I would've looked forward to - and now that it's over...well....I saved money.


Jokes on you, Comic-con was free. :P


Yea but I would've had to pay the plane ticket and accomondation :P

CC is NOT free, only the OUTSIDE booths are free. The entrace fee for four days is $250.


Then how the bloody hell did I not spent a dime on it? :innocent:

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chemiclord wrote...

Dranks wrote...

Oh I never doubted for a second that he survived. I'm just saying that they're playing mind games with us. They want to see war, I swear.


It seemed pretty simple to me.  Fans have been griping about how Shepard must have died in the scene as it played out, so one of the writers slapped on the troll mask and said, "Sure.  It was his last gasp.  Problem?"

If people are hellbent on being miserable about the breath scene... why should Bioware keep trying to convince them otherwise?

Mass Effect 3 is the first game I've played where the ending is intentionally left open so that the player has to "head canon" what happens. I don't like it, and I wasn't given the impression that this would happen from the other games.

The decisions you made in each of the games didn't affect the story nearly as much as some people would have you believe so it wouldn't be a terrible stretch to make an ending that encompasses the basics. The Extended Cut does this for all endings but Destroy. The Extended Cut may have opened a plot hole or two but went out of its way to give closure and clarity to the endings, except for this nugget. This bothers me.

They obviously understood the endings were bleak (according to things said during the panel) and maybe they should have been asking themselves what the "reader" (player) might be expecting, as per this article's excellent analysis on a part of the writer/reader contract: Lessons from Sherlock Holmes: How Do You Kill Your Hero?.

I'm with everyone that says they had to make Destroy bleak (by killing Shepard or being vague) because otherwise the vast majority of players would consider it canon, as it would obviously have the happiest outcome.

This is just another example of something BioWare does a lot. They have an idea, they have their reasons, they figure out how to execute it and then they do it. The idea was let go before deciding if the execution was really the best way to tie in the reason.

We have the ending we have because they didn't want anything to be considered canon. To prevent Destroy being considered canon, it was probably obvious from the start that the reapers are dead and Shepard could live, which is the best of both worlds as far as players are concerned. So, it has to "balance" out the others by coming with heavy sacrifices: killing the Geth and EDI. That's probably when they decided that all of the endings are probably too bleak.

Control already "kills" Shepard. Synthesis, Shepard is obviously gone and you can't even headcanon him back. The only way to make him alive again is through Destroy, but they don't want it all roses because the other endings quite obviously kill Shepard and Destroy has to balance out with them or no one's going to pick anything but Destroy. You could argue in Control, Shepard makes an EDI-like body for himself or otherwise makes his presence known as the new Catalyst. In my mind, there's simply no indication he can never talk to anyone ever again.

I like BioWare a lot but they do this is often and this is just the most aggravating example. I don't like this kind of "balanced morality" that you saw throughout Dragon Age 1 and 2, both of which had a ton of moral choices in which you picked the lesser of any number of evils. It smacks of "perfect edge" design (ie, obviously constructed) and doesn't feel at all natural, just contrived.

Modifié par Mystiq6, 15 juillet 2012 - 02:48 .


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Can someone give a summary of what happened/what was said? Without cynicism? Please?

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brettc893 wrote...

Christ what a bunch of ****foot questionnaires.

I mean, at the Family Guy panel, someone asked Seth Mcfarlane if he was a Manatee. That takes cajones! And that was one of the NICER questions!

FFS people! Grow a pair and put the screws on!

/Dissapointment in fans that were present.


Could it be that the majority of fans aren't really as hung up about this as the BSN folks, who tend to be a bit more... passionate... are?

Might be worth taking on board.

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Skaldian wrote...

Can someone give a summary of what happened/what was said? Without cynicism? Please?


The only true announcement was that the next SP DLC will, at least in part, be underwater.

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shurikenmanta wrote...
Could it be that the majority of fans aren't really as hung up about this as the BSN folks, who tend to be a bit more... passionate... are?

Might be worth taking on board.


The BSN has one of the most negative and pessimistic fanbases I've ever seen. So, yeah, most crowds would probably be more positive.

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I predict it will take place on Lorek.


I'M SO PUMPED!


I predict this will be Leviathan DLC setting, if it is indeed on Lorek. Given that it's in Batarian space and underwater, as it's been heavily implied in the dialogue that we know happens.

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There is no point anymore

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Skaldian wrote...

Can someone give a summary of what happened/what was said? Without cynicism? Please?


Breath scene "intentionally ambiguous".  

Shepard's breath could be his last before death, if that's how you want to interpret it. 

"NO CANON ENDING".

They may reveal female turians in-game at some point, since they're looking into audience interests.

They chatted about used and unused slides/concepts in the EC, and how they relished the opportunity to make it.

Teaser picture potentially of Leviathan DLC. Definitely appears underwater, and with a mech-like device. 

MP Discussion, about Earth.  "You keep playing, we'll keep making".



... so, not a whole lot, and very little concrete.

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Brovikk Rasputin wrote...

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Bad panel is bad. Specially when they spent 15min of it talking about useless multiplayer.

I wish they did a live streamin to answer just ppl from BSN someday.

That would be like 50 minutes of whining from 'fans' and 10 minutes of Bioware trying to answer, before getting a ton of ending related essays thrown in their direction. Now THAT would be bad.


As not as bad as you whining about fans whining...god now you got me doing it too
whineception :?