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[MissRedZelda]

Because DA2 Anders was creepy, whiny and never shuts up about his Mage's Plight - he wasn't "dark and mysterious", he was an emo Edward Cullen clone with a British accent. Oh, and he was insane to top it all off

Awakening Anders was charming and funny. He still had that tragic backstory, but goddammit, he was written well.

[eratis]

The reasons people liked him in Awakening are basically the reasons you don't - he was a light comic relief character with a pinch of mage pathos mixed in. The comparatively shortly length and scope of the game prevented the characters from developing much beyond fairly broad stereotypes. Frankly, I've always been of the opinion he was a pretty obvious attempt to make another Alistair, only as a mage, and it always left me a little sour on his depiction in that game.

I do feel DA2 gave him some depth beyond his portrayal in Awakening, but the discontinuity between his depictions in the two games can be fairly jarring - I have a smidge of internal conflict romancing him as a male Hawke since he was pretty much a skirt chaser in Awakening.

I was so close to filling out my DA2 forums bingo card! I had "Emo", "Edward Cullen", and "whiny". I'm just missing "One Note".

[thats1evildude]

I don't. I found Awakening Anders to be as preachy as DA2 Anders, except DA2 Anders got off his ass and decided to do something about it.

Modifié par thats1evildude, 15 juillet 2012 - 02:15 .

[MissRedZelda]

He considers anyone who isn't firmly for the mage's plight an enemy and obviously with the Templars. I'm 100% pro mage, but I wouldn't go out and call anyone who just didn't want any part of the war an enemy - like Anders continually does.

Awakening Anders was kinda preachy, but I didn't want to punch him every time he opened his mouth like I did in DA2. He didn't personally attack people (especially Fenris. Need I remind you about his, "He's let one bad experience colour his world . . .". Suuuure, be a slave a slave, and being tortured, starved, deprived of sleep, having lyrium infused into your skin causing you constant pain and agony is one small bad experience)

[LolaLei]

Admittedly Awakening Anders did feel a bit like a replacement Alistair to an extent, but he was definitely fun! I actually preferred how he looked in Awakening as well lol. The problem with DA2 Anders is that everything revolved around him and his opinions on the mages plight, even when Hawke's mother died, instead of comforting her properly he was all like "well at least you knew your mother, I didn't and neither do most mages locked up in the circle blah blah", I was like omg Anders you actual dick! There's a time and a place for your ****ing manifesto and now is not it! LOL.

Also, Greg Ellis voices him in Awakening and gave him a Nothern accent which added to his charm.

Modifié par LolaLei, 15 juillet 2012 - 03:52 .

[Sylvanpyxie]

What's so wrong with him?

Primarily? I like Greg Ellis' voice and Dragon Age II took that away from me. *Sniffles*.....

On a more serious note:

I liked Awakening Anders because he was pretty much a clone of every Mage I've ever played..

...I tend towards the... Sarcastic, when i'm playing a Mage, primarily because Mages tend to be the most unstoppable force in the universe, so I don't understand why i should hold my tongue. Anders reminded me of the last Mage i played, prior to Dragon Age, and for that reason. I liked him.

As for Dragon Age II Anders, i don't hate him. Per-say. My problem is they took a character that was charming, sarcastic, witty, care-free happy chappy, then decided they would change him, overnight, into an angsty, whiny, guilt ridden, self-loathing waste of space.

It's not the character that i dislike, the character itself is excellent. My problem is that they decided to plaster Anders' face on it, without a single trace of the character that he used to be.

I recently wrote in the "How Would You Have Written Him?" thread, if Bioware had started the game with the same old care-free Anders, then gradually progressed him into a mentally unsound mess of a character, then i would've felt a lot better about it. I would've loved his progression if they had done that.

But they did all of that off-screen... As a result, i couldn't find myself liking a character that was wearing the face of an entirely different character. I just couldn't bring myself to connect with him in the slightest, because it *wasn't* him.

Had they put a new name and face to the character? I probably would've enjoyed him a lot more. But the simple fact is they didn't, they put Anders back in with a complete personality face-lift and the entire thing just smelt of Fan-Service. As a result i just couldn't connect with him.

Wow, that ended up way longer than intended : TL:DR : It's not the character i dislike, it's the fact it wears Anders' face. It's the complete lack of progression from Cheery-Chappy to Self-Loathing Wreck that causes me to dislike the Dragon Age II Anders.

Modifié par Sylvanpyxie, 15 juillet 2012 - 10:55 .

[Knight of Dane]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...
It's not the character that i dislike, the character itself is excellent. My problem is that they decided to plaster Anders' face on it, without a single trace of the character that he used to be.

Even though I agree, I still think there is ~some~ of Awakenders in him.

[smallwhippet]

LolaLei wrote...
The problem with DA2 Anders is that everything revolved around him and his opinions on the mages plight, even when Hawke's mother died, instead of comforting her properly he was all like "well at least you knew your mother, I didn't and neither do most mages locked up in the circle blah blah"].

Was this on the rivalry path? After Leandra's death in my most recent playthrough, Anders was entirely sympathetic, without a single mention of the plight of mages. All he said was: 'nothing I can say will make you feel better but I'm here for you', or words to that effect...

I'm afraid I rather prefer his DA2 incarnation...

Please don't hit me!

[SafetyShattered]

Have you seen Anders in DA2? He was insane. In Awakening he was funny, and fairly likeable. In DA2 he was completely different. He couldn't go two seconds without making some comment about templars or Justice. I mean Anders....I get it. You hate templars. So do I. BE FUNNY AGAIN! And when he blew up the chantry I was like.....dude...really? What the crap? That was so random.

[LolaLei]

smallwhippet wrote...

LolaLei wrote...
The problem with DA2 Anders is that everything revolved around him and his opinions on the mages plight, even when Hawke's mother died, instead of comforting her properly he was all like "well at least you knew your mother, I didn't and neither do most mages locked up in the circle blah blah"].

Was this on the rivalry path? After Leandra's death in my most recent playthrough, Anders was entirely sympathetic, without a single mention of the plight of mages. All he said was: 'nothing I can say will make you feel better but I'm here for you', or words to that effect...

I'm afraid I rather prefer his DA2 incarnation...

Please don't hit me!

Nope Friendship, I've never been able to rival/be rude to any of the companions in Bioware games, makes me feel bad LOL. I can't remember what dialogue options I used during that scene. I'll see if I can find it on YouTube.

Modifié par LolaLei, 15 juillet 2012 - 10:50 .

[Melca36]

I can understand why people hate him but its obvious some of you have not read his backstory. It does give somewhat of an understanding on why he became that way.

[CuriousArtemis]

People who like Awakening!Anders better probably played Awakening first  Same way those of us who prefer DA2 Anders probably played DA2 first.

Same thing with DA:O versus DA2; it's generally whichever one you encountered and fell in love with first. 

[berelinde]

motomotogirl wrote...

People who like Awakening!Anders better probably played Awakening first  Same way those of us who prefer DA2 Anders probably played DA2 first.

Same thing with DA:O versus DA2; it's generally whichever one you encountered and fell in love with first. 

Maybe. There are a few of us who played Awakening first and still prefer DA2 Anders.

Speaking only for myself, I liked the snark and fell in love with Awakening Anders because of it, but I could see there was a lot of pain underneath. When the short story came out, I was seriously intrigued and thought "Wow, Justice, huh? That's going to put a seriously dark cloud on his personality. Even if he bounces back from gnawing on templars, it's going to change him forever." And then DA2 came out and I fell in love with how absolutely broken he was. He still tries to joke once in a while, but it always comes off as hideously inappropriate ("All that Remains," anyone?). He's just as compassionate as he has always been, but it's a lot more focused now.

[Naqey]

motomotogirl wrote...

People who like Awakening!Anders better probably played Awakening first  Same way those of us who prefer DA2 Anders probably played DA2 first.

Same thing with DA:O versus DA2; it's generally whichever one you encountered and fell in love with first. 

That, and personal preference/character.

Because even though your suggestion holds true with me with respect to Anders (played DA2 first, and fell for him wholly and irreversably, started to Awakening and was rather disappointed ), I still prefer DA2 over Origins, even though I played Origins first. It's just that I, personally, prefer characters who are dark and tragic and broken in videogames, and I don't mind Anders' "whining" about the templars and the mages' plight at all. (But then, whining has always been a way for people to brush off characters they don't like. Carth Onasi from the KotOR games, anyone?) What some people might call "depressing" in Anders for me is character "depth".

Modifié par Naqey, 16 juillet 2012 - 05:19 .

[esper]

I prefer da2. Da:a's Anders was insincere and hid behind his sarcasm and I never knew where I had him, I felt he was a ticking time bomb, and no matter what people say he was not a happy mann. da2's Anders I just love, I feel that the one from da:a have finally decided to grow up.

[xxBabyMonkeyxx]

I like both, but I have problems with them too. Anders in Awakening was very funny and a replacement for Alistair, but he wasn't a very deep character. DA2 Anders fixed the "deep" part, but he was SO whiny and would not stop talking about mages.

[DeathScepter]

I do believe that DA2 Anders was more heavily influenced by Justice. When Anders Anger consumed Justice and Vengance consumed Anders.

I do think that Varric is not telling the entire truth to Cassandra but In his position, I won't tell her the truth either.

[Dwarva]

I have played DA2 for the last year and only recently played Awakenings. In my head they don't even feel like the same person quite frankly. I understand the reasoning behind the change but honestly can barely reconcile them as the character.

However, saying that, I think if Anders had stayed the same it could have got a bit too sitcom like in parts. Especially if your team was made up of Varric, Isabela, AwakeningAnders and SarcasticHawke lol...

Modifié par Staarbux, 16 juillet 2012 - 10:52 .

[Ellyria]

In my opinion, both versions of Anders have their good parts and their flaws.

Awakening!Anders came off too much like Alistair Lite, like they had to have some wise cracking replacement since Alistair wasn't a companion. As much as I love Greg Ellis, his Anders voice didn't sit right with me. He did have some great lines though, and his interations with Oghren and Sir Pounce-a-lot were amusing.

DA2!Anders was more serious and not so much a replacement character like he seemed to be in DAA, but he had a one track mind and constantly made me go "Can we talk about something else please?" (Like during Sebastian's quest in Act II, Flora Harimann says maybe her mom thought she could control Allure since she wasn't a mage, and Anders butts in with "That's right! People should blame demons, not mages!" I always say "Shut up Anders" when I do that quest.) I really enjoy Adam Howden as Anders as well. DA2!Anders is also the only actual healer you get, unless you spec Mage!Hawke as one. (That doesn't save him from the murder knife in 2/3rds of my playthroughs though.)

So although I prefer DA2!Anders to Awakening!Anders, I can see why people prefer the latter, especially with the major personality shift between the two games.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Anders always had a chip on his shoulder but he used to have a sense of humour and a cat as well which made him more likeable.

In DA2 Anders is a character I love to hate, rivalling him is really fun, he's such a drama queen. I dunno how Hawke managed to keep a straight face during the rivalmance when Anders said "I don't know whether to kiss you or kill you!"

[Dwarva]

Just while this thread is up (and because Chylise mentioned the VAs), why do you think they changed Anders' VA for DA2? I do prefer Adam Howden as Anders (and prefer Ellis' Cullen) but am just curious why they'd make a decision like that?

[berelinde]

Ellis had an acting commitment that would not allow him to devote the time to a companion NPC.

[Dwarva]

Ah. I knew it would be something simple like that. Thanks!!



Hmmm interestingly Greg Ellis screens his Twitter followers....this just makes me all the more curious as to what he tweets about. :innocent:

Modifié par Staarbux, 16 juillet 2012 - 03:12 .