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[LolaLei]

Staarbux wrote...

Ah. I knew it would be something simple like that. Thanks!!



Hmmm interestingly Greg Ellis screens his Twitter followers....this just makes me all the more curious as to what he tweets about. :innocent:

He talks about golf a lot mostly lol.

[FieryDove]

Sylvanpyxie wrote...


I recently wrote in the "How Would You Have Written Him?" thread, if Bioware had started the game with the same old care-free Anders, then gradually progressed him into a mentally unsound mess of a character, then i would've felt a lot better about it. I would've loved his progression if they had done that.

But they did all of that off-screen... As a result, i couldn't find myself liking a character that was wearing the face of an entirely different character. I just couldn't bring myself to connect with him in the slightest, because it *wasn't* him.

x1000 this.

[Endurium]

I didn't care for either rendition of Anders; I was so glad when I first met him in Awakenings and told him to take a hike, and he did. But my joy was short lived as he later returned to force his way into my group.

I was also not happy about having Mhairi replaced with Oghren. Ugh.

[Renmiri1]

Heh, I love the dark mysterious type, so I loved Anders in DA2. But him being lighthearted and shallow in DA-Awakenings makes sense. When we meet him in Awakenings he is a carefree mage that likes to escape the Circle Tower more in a joke / prank way than a conviction mages have to be free. I think when he realizes how serious it is to be an apostate on the run and has to be saved by the warden he starts growing up from carefree, to rebel with a cause

On DAA he was younger and hadn't partnered with Justice yet. To me he "grew up" a lot after joining the wardens and even more so after joining with Justice, to the point of being consumed with his cause,

[MissRedZelda]

What I really disliked during the end was the dialogue options with him. I didn't romance him, but I decided to let him live and told him to beat it. When he came back, I decided to keep him in my party because he was the best healer. All I could say to him was "Get lost" or "This'll be a victory for mages everywhere!!1!".

I would have much preferred a "I'm only keeping you here so you can see just where you actions have lead you." or something like that.

DA2 Ending, why you so rushed?

Modifié par MissRedZelda, 22 juillet 2012 - 11:52 .

[Heidenreich]

The issue, is that people don't connect the dots with Anders. The magerage is there in Awakening.

Anders is Bipolar for all tenses and purposes. If they had physiology in Thedas, Anders would be a perfect case study.

In awakening he's manic -- cheerful and joking and genuinly HAPPY even though he's clearly NOT. There is a lot of angry and hurt there, buried beneath the jokes and silliness. His sarcasm and wit are a defense mechanism to keep him from getting to close to people -- because not once in his life has he ever had anyone fight for him, so why trust anyone with your real thoughts and feelings?

He still talks of the Mages and Templars -- he still believes whole heartedly in his hatred for the situation, but he feels helpless and knows that the VAST MAJORITY of people he'll come in contact with do not feel that way. They believe that mages are dangerous. They believe the chantry is right. They believe this with out ever having met any actual mages more often then not.

He doesn't expect the warden to believe him when he says "I didn't do it", and he's bitter about it. He jokes about iconoclasm but there is a real undertone of seriousness in his words. He is full of hate, but covers it with charm because so far charm has repeatedly saved his ass.

Once he merjes with Justice that disolves, because Justice doesn't understand nuances. He doesn't have any concept of sarcasm or defense mechanisms like charm and wit. The longer he and justice are together the more we see this breakdown. He's still funny and playful with folks like Isabela and Varric and even Hawke and the siblings in the beginning chapter of DA2.

Yet as the game progresses and the breakdown of the barrier between him and justice -- the sights and the sounds and events that go on during the course of the game -- becomes more and more clear.

The comment made about Fenris is a prime example of this. That's a very ANDERS thing to say. He isn't Janders in that moment, but ANDERS-- awakening Anders even. It's something he would have said pre-justice. A bitter mage completely baffled by someone who would take "one experience" and use it to fuel rage. Which he constantly does. It highlights the contradictions inside the character. Anders ALWAYS let his "one experience" color his sight. He's ALWAYS anti-templar. And yet ANDERS (not janders or justice) can't fathom someone using the bad experiences in life to color their existence. Despite the fact that it's EXACTLY what he does thanks to the voice of vengeance inside his head.

Honestly -- if you hate Anders for talking about mages all the time, then you need to hate Fenris for the same thing. They're opposite sides of the same coin. Each having horrible experiences with the system at large and it causing them to become jaded by it. The only difference is -- Fenris doesn't have an angry spirit inside his head fueling him on and can eventually move past it. Anders can only go deeper down the rabbit hole.




and this ended up being way longer then I intended. TLDR version : Listen to the things Anders says in awakening. ****** him off and don't go to bat for him and watch how exactly the same the characters are.

[EricHVela]

Wasn't Ellis always Cullen?

If he had acting commitments elsewhere, then it would likely have been a bit much to do both Cullen as an NPC with some significance aside and Anders as a main character+LI with the other contract(s).

Regardless of VA, I have to go with Awakenings Anders for the same reasons many have already stated. Less broody-moody. Less whiny.

I understand from the story why there is the change in personality, but it's still one that I found tiresome and depressing -- a feeling similar to what I felt with Fenris (until MotA).

EDIT: I'm certain they had physiology in Dragon Age. As for psychology, I think they had archaic versions of it.

In the second Dragon Age, Anders is only upset at everything.

In DA:O-A, Anders is merely childish at times. That doesn't mean he's bipolar, or else, most college students and younger would be bipolar, too.

Modifié par ReggarBlane, 23 juillet 2012 - 04:10 .

[AbsoluteApril]

I thought it was because Greg voiced Cullen in DA2 and they didn't want two important characters with the same VA?

Melca36 wrote...

I can understand why people hate him but its obvious some of you have not read his backstory. It does give somewhat of an understanding on why he became that way.

exactly, I also agree with what Heidenreich posted. Awakening Anders is - Anders, DA2 Anders is - Anders merged with Justice and not the same person.

[EricHVela]

It's not a matter of why he changes. We know why.

It's comparing how he acts in each. Regardless why, he acts differently.

It seems many of us got tired of his character+Justice/Vengeance in the second Dragon Age while finding him more palatable in DA:O-A.

[AbsoluteApril]

oh I understand.
Personally, I enjoyed his character in both. : )

[coldwetn0se]

I thought I had posted in this before, but.....meh. Anyway, I actually agree with what @Heidenrich said. The personality we see emerge in DA2 was in fact present in DAA, but dressed in sarcasm and irony. And because of that, I still think the core personality is in tact for both games.

However, here is where I take issue; I just cannot handwave the epilogue screen I got at the end of all my play throughs of DAA (I even took a screenshot of it, when I started playing DA2 the first time, and became confused with Anders DA2 character), and the timeline issue. The writers chose to handwave it, which is their choice, but.....it plain and simply broke immersion for me. And though the backstory is interesting, it actually made the problem a bit worse for me. I really wish they had just used another mage encountering and merging with Justice. I honestly stopped playing DAA because of how broken this felt to me. Eventually, I started seeing Anders in DA2 as a completely different person (and it was a bit easier to do since it IS a different VA and graphic design of Anders is changed somewhat....he looks different, or at least enough different.) Just my .02.

[LolaLei]

ReggarBlane wrote...

Wasn't Ellis always Cullen?

If he had acting commitments elsewhere, then it would likely have been a bit much to do both Cullen as an NPC with some significance aside and Anders as a main character+LI with the other contract(s).

Regardless of VA, I have to go with Awakenings Anders for the same reasons many have already stated. Less broody-moody. Less whiny.

I understand from the story why there is the change in personality, but it's still one that I found tiresome and depressing -- a feeling similar to what I felt with Fenris (until MotA).

EDIT: I'm certain they had physiology in Dragon Age. As for psychology, I think they had archaic versions of it.

In the second Dragon Age, Anders is only upset at everything.

In DA:O-A, Anders is merely childish at times. That doesn't mean he's bipolar, or else, most college students and younger would be bipolar, too.

Yeah Greg Ellis has always voiced Cullen. I suspect that if he had been available to voice Anders, then Cullen would have been given a different voice actor, since he was only an NPC. Apparently the reason he didn't voice Anders was due to a conflicting work schedule, so he stayed doing Cullen's VA because he had less lines than Anders.

[Renmiri1]

franciscoamell wrote...

And what did you guys think of his romance arc? I think it was beautiful, but in a sad and haunting way. No matter what you do, Anders always lies to you and kills lots of innocents, so I don't think sticking with him till the end would make a good ending to his romance. In my opinion, Hawke shouldn't forgive him for doing all this, SPECIALLY if in a romance with him. So in my file where Hawke romanced him I decided to kill him, because my Hawke was ruthless and supported the templars. but if you like sad love stories, I think that letting Anders go is the perfect ending to a beautiful but a little depressing romantic arc. I might even do it again, even though I like Fenris and Merrill more than him.

I just finished my friendship romance  Anders playthrough. I think my Hawke thought she could tame all that anger in Anders.. And just like Justice she failed, in the end. In my playtrough, Hawke stayed with Anders. 
She does believe on freedom for mages and in spite of condemning his violence, she can not bring herself to kill Anders or deliver him to the templars. 

 Ofc she is hurt and appalled at what he did but after seeing Orcinus resort to blood magic and the amount of despair the mages were exposed to, first hand, she is in shock. She still loves him and thinks thast she can contain "Janders" and make sure he doesn't hurt innocent people AGAIN.  By not killing him or arresting him she feels it id her moral obligation to stay with him and make sure he doesn't harm innocent people.

[Uhh.. Jonah]

He's just not the same. Sure, I can see why his personality so drastically changed, but that doesn't mean that I have to like it. I don't know, a new voice actor + character overhaul just makes Anders seem... not Anders. It wouldn't have been as bad if every time I got a chance to speak with him the subject isn't always "TEMPLARS UGH YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND THEY'LL NEVER STOP MAGES PLIGHT BLOODY TEMPLARS I DON'T WANT TO LOSE YOU TO THEM". It just got really, really, really old- and quick.

[Karlone123]

I prefer DA2 Anders instead of the Awakening Anders. I can't imagine the cocky Anders filling the role of the guy who blew up the Chantry, it wouldn't be very serious.

[blueumi]

because he was fun sexy amazing love cats to death had a cool relaxed nature who also did not give a crap about what people thought about him
but had a secret kind side that took time to find in him
i only love anders in dragon age 2 because I played dragon age first

[Sundance31us]

Because that thing in DA2 was Justice wearing an Anders suit. <_<

[blueumi]

Sundance31us wrote...

Because that thing in DA2 was Justice wearing an Anders suit. <_<

well I don't hate Anders in dragon age 2 I just wish he would act more like the mage I adored in dragon age 1

I love anders so much that being able to romance him was what made me still like dragon age 2 even if it was not as good as the first game

[Chipaway111]

I don't like his character progression - it was off-screen, it was jarring. I love humour, and sarcasm is the best of it. Anders was everything I loved, Alistair stand in or no, in Awakening. Sure some little bits of him remained in the early stages of DA2, but it wasn't the same. It was a new character with a back-story that didn't have to be explained, leaving room for nothing but "Mages, mages, mages"

Also don't like how his romance was written - something about it just seems... eh, not right. He admits he has an obsession with you. Has been pining for you for three years as a result of a few flirty lines, and can't stop thinking about you. Though if that's a character flaw or a time-restraint flaw I'm not sure, so yeah. I love my sarcastic companions, and there weren't enough in DA2 for my tastes, but Dragon Age isn't meant to cater to a single fans wants. It's all my opinon.

[Dwarva]

Chipaway111 wrote...

Also don't like how his romance was written - something about it just seems... eh, not right. He admits he has an obsession with you. Has been pining for you for three years as a result of a few flirty lines, and can't stop thinking about you. Though if that's a character flaw or a time-restraint flaw I'm not sure, so yeah. I love my sarcastic companions, and there weren't enough in DA2 for my tastes, but Dragon Age isn't meant to cater to a single fans wants. It's all my opinon.

I admit that him admitting his obsession with you is a bit off but the fact he actually has a minor one isn't that unusual I'd say. I always assumed his use of the word obsession was a bit of hyperbole on his part (it IS Anders ) and that he really just meant he had a crush. And I'd say I've built a few healthy crushes in my time based on even less than a few flirty lines.

[Dio Demon]

There is no core differences between DA2 and DAOA Anders, except that DAOA Anders had a shield called sarcasm. It was extremely painful to listen to DA2 Anders speak, simply because there was so much wasted potential; I would've loved to see him slowly through conversations become a different person, slowly stop saying 'Justice doesn't like...' and become 'I don't like...'

The friendship/rivalry was the worst part in terms of wasted potential for Anders, I think it would be more appropriate to see two different Anders depending on your relationship with him. If your friends with him he starts to merge with Justice properly and he starts to control Vengeance, but if you rival him Justice ceases to exist and becomes a vengeance demon in which he constantly tries to fight it.

[Renmiri1]

Staarbux wrote...

Chipaway111 wrote...

Also don't like how his romance was written - something about it just seems... eh, not right. He admits he has an obsession with you. Has been pining for you for three years as a result of a few flirty lines, and can't stop thinking about you. Though if that's a character flaw or a time-restraint flaw I'm not sure, so yeah. I love my sarcastic companions, and there weren't enough in DA2 for my tastes, but Dragon Age isn't meant to cater to a single fans wants. It's all my opinon.

I admit that him admitting his obsession with you is a bit off but the fact he actually has a minor one isn't that unusual I'd say. I always assumed his use of the word obsession was a bit of hyperbole on his part (it IS Anders ) and that he really just meant he had a crush. And I'd say I've built a few healthy crushes in my time based on even less than a few flirty lines.

Mmm... Maybe you missed a dialog in part 1, but Anders is completely smitten with Hawke right after they fail to save Karl and Hawke learns of Justice but doesn't reject Anders. He says "My maps are yours, as am I" and says he was done with Deep Roads but for you he will go anywhere ( minute 6:10 here). If you watch from 6:10 through 8:20 on the video you see Anders is crazy about Hawke on act 1 but he knows his path is a doomed one and wants to spare Hawke from it.

As for funny Anders.. If you read the short story about Anders that Bioware writers did you will see that Anders/ Justice massacred an entire squad of Grey Wardens that went after him after his merge. Yet he tells Hawke that he left because they wouldn't let him keep his cat.. He is using his cat's funny name to completely evade explaining why Wardens are after him.

Anders uses humor to deflect attention to what he is really thinking, or what really happened. In Act 3 when he gives you that BS about a formula to separate himself from Justice, one of the options is to ask "What aren't you telling me" and his answer is a joke about a dream with Elthina naked and a big glowing cheese.

I like DA2 Anders a lot better than Awakenings one, he is deeper, less Allistair wanna be. And the romance was pretty good IMHO. But then I'm a sucker for doomed romances 

Modifié par Renmiri1, 27 juillet 2012 - 08:35 .

[schalafi]

The only things I liked about the Awakening Anders were his love of Ser Pouncealot, and his comment about knicker weasels.

DA2 Anders was just kind of funny and nice in the first act, but after the second act he just started a downhill slide into depression and fanaticism, (Justice's influence I think), and although I romanced him and didn't kill him, I was disappointed in how little relationship with Hawke he had.