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[Emzamination]

Cerberus was a beautiful human centric group committed to the advancement of humanity by any and all means possible.I came to believe strongly in their Ideals/goals while playing Me2 and went out of my way to let characters know I was working 'for' them everytime the opprotunity presented itself.By me2's conclusion I thought I'd be able to continue my budding career as a valued cerberus operative in me3 but alas to my great disappointment, I was forced to rejoin the 'good' alliance and kowtow to that aging relic hackett.If that wasn't bad enough, you took my boss The illusive man and forced him into being my enemy.I cringed everytime I heard my shepard auto dialogue about taking down cerberus by any means necessary.

I should've been allowed to assist cerberus in killing the council and leaving udina with sole power which would've been a titanic boost to war assets considering the citadel fleet and human superiority.Correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't eradicating the council and putting a human in power an alternate point of me1's conclusion? The worst part of it all was the destruction of the cerberus base along with the entire organization.When I destroyed that base I couldn't help but feel it was not only a waste of resources but a waste of story potential.My shepard could've taken over cerberus as the new head, purged the reaper tech and restructured it back into the human centric group I came to love.It's not fair the Asari got to keep their commandos and the salarians got to keep stg but human's had to lose their special forces branch.I shall never forgive you for what you did to Cerberus or TIM, Alien lovers.

[Prosarian]

It would have involved too much work to provide an alternate storyline with Shepard working for Cerberus, I suppose they just ran out of time. Simpler to turn them into pure evil.

[Skirata129]

Prosarian wrote...
Simpler to turn them into pure evil.

It would have been simple to produce a remake of galaga for the Xbox, but that isn't what theypromised to deliver now, is it?

[Prosarian]

Skirata129 wrote...

Prosarian wrote...
Simpler to turn them into pure evil.

It would have been simple to produce a remake of galaga for the Xbox, but that isn't what theypromised to deliver now, is it?

Well i'm not excusing it, I'm just saying that's probably what happened.

If this game had 4 years and someone like Dombrow or Weekes in charge of the writing, who knows what we could have had.

[lillitheris]

Unfortunately your beautiful organization used any means necessary, and ended up getting indoctrinated.

Risks of any means necessary.

[Taboo]

YES, YES, TELL ME MORE ABOUT HOW YOU SUPPORT NATIONALISM.

CHECK THE CODEX.

[Emzamination]

Prosarian wrote...

It would have involved too much work to provide an alternate storyline with Shepard working for Cerberus, I suppose they just ran out of time. Simpler to turn them into pure evil.

It's never to much work  to complete all aspects of your story What they did to cerberus was just convenient and lazy.

[MegaSovereign]

Um Cerberus was always a shady organization...

Project Overlord
Pragia
TIM's look on his face when you give him the Collector Base
Every squadmate telling you Cerberus is evil

etc.

[arial]

Cerberus was bad from the beginning, Shepard states at one point in ME3 "TIM was just using me to get the collector base, he never cared about to colonists".

in ME3 TIM lied to us about everything (He said he did not know about what happened on Overlord, but if you talk to the guy from Overlord in ME3, it is obvious TIM knew about it).

And look at ME1, cloning Rachni, enslaving Thorian Kreepers, luring Alliance Military teams into Thresher Nests, killing Admiral Kahoku.

Seriously, TIM and Cerberus were always evil, and claimed to be pro-human but were really pro TIM.

TIM in ME2 was simply using Shepard, through lies and deceit

[Emzamination]

lillitheris wrote...

Unfortunately your beautiful organization used any means necessary, and ended up getting indoctrinated.

Risks of any means necessary.

I can't bring myself to fault them for trying to turn a superior force's technology against them.I would've done the same thing, you do what you have to do to win, trial and error.

[What a Succulent Ass]

I'm probably missing the point where Cerberus was ever trustworthy.

Probably all those fanatical experiments (that killed everybody) from Me1 just messing with my mind.

[BatmanPWNS]

Having them in a grey morality woud be too "video gamey" or too realistic actually.

[Fuzzfro]

During ME2 I didn't really have a huge problem with Cerberus, I didn't entirely trust them but was furious with the ridicule Ashley gave me for fighting with them to stop the collectors.

It was surprising to see them go to such extremes in ME3, but with the illusive man in control it made sense.

I would really like to see a Huge expansion pack where you can play through the game as a Cerberus operative, although that will never happen

[thunderjet429ci]

injecting thresher maw venom into the veins of unwilling people is beautiful? The only good thing they've done in 3 games is bring Shephard back to life.

[BatmanPWNS]

thunderjet429ci wrote...

injecting thresher maw venom into the veins of unwilling people is beautiful? The only good thing they've done in 3 games is bring Shephard back to life.

You forgot they also brought back the Normandy, only people to actually challenge the collectors instead of just doing NOTHING and gave Shepard direction. Without Cerberus in ME2, the galaxy would have been long lost. Oh and they got Martin Sheen, that's an instant win for them.

[AlexMBrennan]

I should've been allowed to assist cerberus in killing the council and leaving udina with sole power which would've been a titanic boost to war assets considering the citadel fleet and human superiority

Yes, I'm sure that assassinating their leader will sure get you the support of the turians rather than, say, a few nukes headed your way. Human supremacy is all very well, but it would be nice if humanity survived, too.

Why did you ruin Cerberus ME team?

They didn't. You evidently didn't engage your brain in ME1 and ME2. Seriously. If anything, there should have been an option to shoot Jacob and Miranda on sight at the start of ME2.

[Emzamination]

arial wrote...

Cerberus was bad from the beginning, Shepard states at one point in ME3 "TIM was just using me to get the collector base, he never cared about to colonists".

in ME3 TIM lied to us about everything (He said he did not know about what happened on Overlord, but if you talk to the guy from Overlord in ME3, it is obvious TIM knew about it).

And look at ME1, cloning Rachni, enslaving Thorian Kreepers, luring Alliance Military teams into Thresher Nests, killing Admiral Kahoku.

Seriously, TIM and Cerberus were always evil, and claimed to be pro-human but were really pro TIM.

TIM in ME2 was simply using Shepard, through lies and deceit

TIM wasn't timid about sacrificing or using any resources at his disposal to win the battle.Project overlord did/could've allowed complete control of the geth which would've greatly supplemented the armada's ranks in me3.The thorian creepers were mindless and the rachni were bugs, they would've made great shock troops and cannon fodder to soak up fire in high risk missions.The alliance sat on their hands while whole colonies got obliterated, I don't feel sorry for them when they take losses.TIM is 'ruthless' and willing to do whatever it takes to win and I agree, no sacrifice is too great for the greater good.He didn't want power for himself, he just wanted to secure humanity's survival in the universe, this is shown in his last words to shepard if he didn't shoot himself.  

[xsdob]

Me2 expected me to feel sorry for space na.zi's and their fuhrer jack harper, glad we finally got to crush them and their evil.

[Sleekshinobi]

Yea they were always evil, but evil characters are more interesting when they believe they are doing something for the greater good. Shades of grey are just better in storytelling, when you have characters who try to rationalize their actions. Its more like real life that way.

[Oransel]

I am with you, Emzamination! But remember, my friend, "Cerberus is not an HQ and not even the people behind it. It's an idea and ideas are not that easy to destroy" © - our great leader, The Illusive Man.

[xsdob]

Sleekshinobi wrote...

Yea they were always evil, but evil characters are more interesting when they believe they are doing something for the greater good. Shades of grey are just better in storytelling, when you have characters who try to rationalize their actions. Its more like real life that way.

Yeah it's more interesting, but they're still just deluding themselves into thinking their in the right.

[Tigerman123]

[Oransel]

Kohaku was a traitor of his race.

[Emzamination]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

I should've been allowed to assist cerberus in killing the council and leaving udina with sole power which would've been a titanic boost to war assets considering the citadel fleet and human superiority

Yes, I'm sure that assassinating their leader will sure get you the support of the turians rather than, say, a few nukes headed your way. Human supremacy is all very well, but it would be nice if humanity survived, too.

Why did you ruin Cerberus ME team?

They didn't. You evidently didn't engage your brain in ME1 and ME2. Seriously. If anything, there should have been an option to shoot Jacob and Miranda on sight at the start of ME2.

The turians wouldn't retract their support if shepard got the krogan to assist them, they'd be suspicious/cautious but they aren't really in any position to be choosy with their civilization facing extinction.I agreed with their experiments in Me1 but beside that, why would you shoot people you never met on sight just because of their badge