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[Baa Baa]

I like Control for Renegades, but a paragon control should have ended with Shepard rebuilding the galaxy, then destroying all of the reapers (sending them to the sun). But they imply that he keeps them around and lets them survive. And even Shepard could be consumed by the power he would have with the reapers.

[D24O]

Baa Baa wrote...

I like Control for Renegades, but a paragon control should have ended with Shepard rebuilding the galaxy, then destroying all of the reapers (sending them to the sun). But they imply that he keeps them around and lets them survive. And even Shepard could be consumed by the power he would have with the reapers.

The disagreement I have with this interpertation is that we only see a short amount of time into the future. There's no reason to say he couldn't have decomissioned any number of Reapers.

[Memnon]

Baa Baa wrote...

I like Control for Renegades, but a paragon control should have ended with Shepard rebuilding the galaxy, then destroying all of the reapers (sending them to the sun). But they imply that he keeps them around and lets them survive. And even Shepard could be consumed by the power he would have with the reapers.

Control for renegade Shepard is the most terrifying possiblity there is - now, instead of the Catalyst, which is a computer and at least has some semblance of logic (incorrect as it may be) we now have a potentially genocidal Shepard who would sooner kill you than debate you ... 

[CrutchCricket]

I assure you OP that there are many of us who see the grand benefits Control provides. For my take on it and my response to the usual shortsighted criticisms (Shepard will go crazy and start Reaping lololol) see the link in my sig, Control Explained.

[Uncle Jo]

CrutchCricket wrote...

I assure you OP that there are many of us who see the grand benefits Control provides. For my take on it and my response to the usual shortsighted criticisms (Shepard will go crazy and start Reaping lololol) see the link in my sig, Control Explained.

You again . Sorry didn't have time till now to answer to your post on your thread. I'll try to do it asap.

Well, since the thread is about why Control is "unpopular",  the criticisms here. even the moral and "short-sighted" have their place.
Shep starting reaping before reaching the "indifference stage" is as plausible as not harming or helping. Or even losing control of the Reapers. Who knows...
The concentration of so much power in the hands of ONE single being is also a legitimate concern, even if it's only a matter of principle.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 15 juillet 2012 - 07:49 .

[CroGamer002]

Kataphrut94 wrote...

I think most people don't like it because it's introduced just after you've had this big argument with TIM about why Control is a bad idea. That said, we didn't know it was possible, it's possibly the least harmful to the galaxy in retrospect, and TIM's dead by the time you get to use it, so no one's going to be standing behind you saying "I told you so" if you pick it.

No.

Shepard was saying Control is impossible UNTIL Horizon. Then it got proven Reapers can be controlled.

And with Illusive Man we argued that he can't control Reapers, since he's not even in control of himself.

[Ranger Jack Walker]

My Shepard was never completely in disagreement with the Illusive Man. Just his methods. I even saved the Collector Base. I like that one of dialouge choices in end is "Then open the Citadel, let the Crucible dock and end this" Although it could have been worded better.

[CroGamer002]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

I would have liked Control if it had been something similar to how TIM had been making it sound; Shepard gets to become Galactic Emperor and uses the Reapers shape the galaxy however he or she likes.

But Shepard just dying and having the Shepard VI 2.0 treat the Reapers like the MWPD doesn't feel as good.

Pretty sure it's 3.0

Shepard 2.0 happen after Lazarus Project.

[CroGamer002]

Volc19 wrote...

It's not that people dislike Control a whole lot, it's just that there are more ardent fans of the other endings. Everyone and their grandmother picked Destroy, and everyone who doesn't despise Synthesis loves Syntheisis. Control is the middleground that no one really thinks about too much. It's like Refusal. Some people love it, most don't even notice it.

The notion that Control isn't actually hated my many is the lack of control-hate threads. Every day there is a new "Synthesis is stupid space-magic and turns us all into monsters" thread and a new "Did you forget about the genocide part of your ending?" thread. The only Control threads are the one long-running support thread, and threads like these that beg the question "Want a good ending? Why not Control?"

Yep.

We're cool there, bros and gals.

[RavenEyry]

Stopped reading at 'obviously the best'.

[shodiswe]

NoUserNameHere wrote...

I liked the EC sequence of Control. So there's that.

It's a pretty long-term commitment, assuming that this AI Shepard poser that takes your place will keep the Reapers in check until the end of time.

It's not that Cerberus was right -- it's that everybody was right. Sure, Reaper control is a possibility. But like Shep said, 'if we destroy the Reapers this ends today. If you can't control them...."

Back then you knew nothing abotu the control option though, it was just the ramblings of a potential madman...

Control isn't that bad... It restores the galaxy and the galaxy is allowed to find it's own path of development/evolution.

My preferences are Control > Synthesis > destroy >>>>>>>>>>   >>>>>> Refuse...   Refuse being the psychopaths pick  

[CroGamer002]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Shep : "You're playing with things you don't understand. With power you shouldn't be able to use:"

TIM : I don't believe that. If we can control it why shouldn't it be ours ?

Shep : Because we're not ready."

...5 minutes later...

The Brat : " You could use the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers.

Shep: Cool ! Where are the rods ?"

*if I written that scene*

Catalyst: You could use the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers.

Shepard: But we're not ready.

Catalyst: So you want for geth and EDI to die?

Shepard: ... Control it is.










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[shodiswe]

I havn't seen those polls or participated.

[MegaSovereign]

Volc19 wrote...

It's not that people dislike Control a whole lot, it's just that there are more ardent fans of the other endings. Everyone and their grandmother picked Destroy, and everyone who doesn't despise Synthesis loves Syntheisis. Control is the middleground that no one really thinks about too much. It's like Refusal. Some people love it, most don't even notice it.

The notion that Control isn't actually hated my many is the lack of control-hate threads. Every day there is a new "Synthesis is stupid space-magic and turns us all into monsters" thread and a new "Did you forget about the genocide part of your ending?" thread. The only Control threads are the one long-running support thread, and threads like these that beg the question "Want a good ending? Why not Control?"

Very well said. Control always did feel like the middle-ground ending.

[Wulfram]

I pick Control usually, but it's narratively problematic because Control is always presented previously as a bad idea supported by TIM and opposed by the good guys.

And the way the EC seems to rule out the "fly the reapers into the sun" option is problematic. Particularly if you believe that's what your Shepard would do, since you could interpret that as evidence that Shepard has been corrupted.

[R3MUS]

Control is my Shepards choice. My Shepard would sacrifice himself without a second thought. He would not doom one single entire species like the Geth and Jokers love, EDI. All the fight in the Geth vs. Quarian war for nothing. Shepard says in control ending "The man who gave up his life to become the one who could save the many". Best quote in the entire ME trilogy. Man i got so many tears. That's my Shepard. Not selfish. Not one more life destroyed. Just perfect.

[XFeroxX]

Because it goes against everything Shepard set out to do, lets down Anderson, proves the Illusive Man correct ( even if it is used for good) and allows those monstrosities to live. Now that's not to say its bad thats in there, I think Its great its in there, it allows you to take that road the road you wish, but it still stands that Control is in a way the Reapers winning by allowing them to live.

[TheIdiocyWizard2.0]

Because you don't become Shepard as an AI, you become an AI with Shepards memories. In essence, you become a new catalyst. This leads me to believe that while AI-Shep may always do the right thing is his eyes, it will probably lead to conflict some time down the road.

But that's just how I feel.

[Chewin]

Wouldn't have any problem with Control if it weren't for Shepard's plain idiocy throughout the game.

[Subject M]

For me its clear enough that "control" seem to be the "best alternative" as it has the greatest potential.

The Reapers are stopped but their knowledge and capabilities is preserved and used for good. No eradication of synthetics (a genocidal event turning the universe less diverse).No one is subjected to some space magic that alters DNA against their will, but future voluntary synthesis is possible since the knowledge and resources are still present. Shep-Reaper can keep the peace if some AI would get out of control and go on a killing spree (damage control and prevention is what the reapers should have been doing in the first place).

The negative is that Shepard's status in unknown/highly ambiguous in control.

Modifié par Subject M, 15 juillet 2012 - 08:37 .

[Baa Baa]

Stornskar wrote...

Baa Baa wrote...

I like Control for Renegades, but a paragon control should have ended with Shepard rebuilding the galaxy, then destroying all of the reapers (sending them to the sun). But they imply that he keeps them around and lets them survive. And even Shepard could be consumed by the power he would have with the reapers.

Control for renegade Shepard is the most terrifying possiblity there is - now, instead of the Catalyst, which is a computer and at least has some semblance of logic (incorrect as it may be) we now have a potentially genocidal Shepard who would sooner kill you than debate you ... 

That's why I think it's perfect for Renegade Shep particulary in ME3 where he's practically a psychopath. Not just the arrogant **** he was in ME1 and 2.

[ObserverStatus]

RavenEyry wrote...

Stopped reading at 'obviously the best'.

Glad to hear it!  I think that pretty much all of us know deep down that control is the best ending, you don't have to read the whole thing to know that. You're actually much smarter than all the people who had to read the whole thing to understand.

Modifié par bobobo878, 15 juillet 2012 - 08:52 .

[Uncle Jo]

Mesina2 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Shep : "You're playing with things you don't understand. With power you shouldn't be able to use:"

TIM : I don't believe that. If we can control it why shouldn't it be ours ?

Shep : Because we're not ready."

...5 minutes later...

The Brat : " You could use the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers.

Shep: Cool ! Where are the rods ?"

*if I written that scene*

Catalyst: You could use the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers.

Shepard: But we're not ready.

Catalyst: So you want for geth and EDI to die?

Shepard: ... Control it is.

Catalyst: You could use the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers.

Shepard: But we're not ready.

Catalyst: So you want for geth and EDI to die?

Shepard: This is about much more than EDI, the Geth or me. Die Reaper.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 15 juillet 2012 - 08:44 .

[CroGamer002]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Shep : "You're playing with things you don't understand. With power you shouldn't be able to use:"

TIM : I don't believe that. If we can control it why shouldn't it be ours ?

Shep : Because we're not ready."

...5 minutes later...

The Brat : " You could use the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers.

Shep: Cool ! Where are the rods ?"

*if I written that scene*

Catalyst: You could use the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers.

Shepard: But we're not ready.

Catalyst: So you want for geth and EDI to die?

Shepard: ... Control it is.

Catalyst: You could use the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers.

Shepard: But we're not ready.

Catalyst: So you want for geth and EDI to die?

Shepard: This is about much more than EDI, the Geth or me. Die Reaper.

Catalyst: I thought you are a Paragon.

Shepard: ... *has very bright red scars*