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[CroGamer002]

Chewin3 wrote...

Wouldn't have any problem with Control if it weren't for Shepard's plain idiocy throughout the game.

Don't blame Shepard for lack of resources and time for proper role playing and investigate option.

[wright1978]

I don't trust any one character to become the galactic dictator, even if it was Shep and not just an AI that's starting point of reference is derived from Shep's memories. No control is certainly not the best ending.

[ObserverStatus]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...
Shep : "You're playing with things you don't understand. With power you shouldn't be able to use:"
TIM : I don't believe that. If we can control it why shouldn't it be ours ?
Shep : Because we're not ready."
...5 minutes later...
The Brat : " You could use the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers.
Shep: Cool ! Where are the rods ?"

*if I written that scene*
Catalyst: You could use the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers.
Shepard: But we're not ready.
Catalyst: So you want for geth and EDI to die?
Shepard: ... Control it is.

Catalyst: You could use the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers.
Shepard: But we're not ready.
Catalyst: So you want for geth and EDI to die?
Shepard: This is about much more than EDI, the Geth or me. Die Reaper.

Catalyst: You could use the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers.
Shepard: But then I'd have to admit that those damn Cerberus fanboys were right!
Catalyst: So you want for geth and EDI to die?
Shepard: I'm too fat and dumb to save them!

[ObserverStatus]

Cthulhu42 wrote...
But what if I do want the geth and EDI to die?

Then you're a racist, what do you think?

[Uncle Jo]

Mesina2 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Mesina2 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Shep : "You're playing with things you don't understand. With power you shouldn't be able to use:"

TIM : I don't believe that. If we can control it why shouldn't it be ours ?

Shep : Because we're not ready."

...5 minutes later...

The Brat : " You could use the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers.

Shep: Cool ! Where are the rods ?"

*if I written that scene*

Catalyst: You could use the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers.

Shepard: But we're not ready.

Catalyst: So you want for geth and EDI to die?

Shepard: ... Control it is.

Catalyst: You could use the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers.

Shepard: But we're not ready.

Catalyst: So you want for geth and EDI to die?

Shepard: This is about much more than EDI, the Geth or me. Die Reaper.

Catalyst: I thought you are a Paragon.

Shepard: ... *has very bright red scars*

Catalyst: I thought you are a Paragon.

Shepard: You won't trick me. And I don't have Alzheimer's. So please die now. 

*Shoots the pipe*

[mango smoothie]

People don't like Control because they don't want to admit that the Illusive Man's idea was right. People need to realize that just because someone wants to do something for one reason doesn't mean that another person would also do it for that same reason. Shepard and TIM are two very different people.

Personally I liked the ending Control, I think it's the best ending. I still chose destroy though, as I felt it better matched my Shepard, and I also don't metagame my canon character.

[ObserverStatus]

Uncle Jo wrote...
Catalyst: I thought you are a Paragon.
Shepard: You won't trick me. And I don't have Alzheimer's. So please die now. 
*Shoots the pipe*

Are you sure your Shepard doesn't have Alzheimers? I'm pretty sure that if not, Shepard would know that Indoctrination Theory is a hoax by now.

[VoodooDrackus]

Cthulhu42 wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Cthulhu42 wrote...
But what if I do want the geth and EDI to die?

Then you're a racist, what do you think?

I'm okay with being a racist. Javik's a racist too, so I'm in good company.

More like an Imperil-a-list.

[ObserverStatus]

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
I've been reading a few of the polls, and it seems that Control is almost always the least popular ending choice even though it is obviously the best, why is that? I know that everyone wants the Reapers dead after all they've done, but with Shepard in control, couldn't Shepard just destroy fly them all into the sun without murderizing all of Shepard's synthetic friends?  In addition to that, Shepard could have them rebuild the Mass Relays and everything else they destroyed, as seen in EC, and recycle all their Element Zero before sending them to their graves.
Also, aside from the fate of the Synthetics, Control provides the best future for Shepard himself.  Instead of dying of thirst under a pile of rocks or simply ceasing to be like in Synthesis, Shepard gets to be a god.
So now that we know that Indoctrination theory is a hoax, is the reason noone picked it because they don't want to admit that the so called "Cerberus Fanboys" were right all along?  I know that a lot of people hate Cerberus Fans for being so open minded and pragmatic, but can't you just let go of your hate to save Edi and the Geth?

Because of people like you, saying things like the bolded.

That pretty much proves my point, if you didn't feel like you had to prove people like me wrong, you'd know that it's the best ending.

[Mr.House]

Mesina2 wrote...

Chewin3 wrote...

Wouldn't have any problem with Control if it weren't for Shepard's plain idiocy throughout the game.

Don't blame Shepard for lack of resources and time for proper role playing and investigate option.

Like in ME2?

[Galbrant]

Eh... personally... My Shepard was always against control so it was never in his character to choose it, What if the catalyst lying basically. And it doesn't matter how good the Shepard A. I. intentions are eventually some force will rise and challenge the Reapers and Shepard A.I. will lose some forces... eventually he will have to replenish his forces. No one likes Big Brother looking over their shoulder.

[Uncle Jo]

bobobo878 wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...
Catalyst: I thought you are a Paragon.
Shepard: You won't trick me. And I don't have Alzheimer's. So please die now. 
*Shoots the pipe*

Are you sure your Shepard doesn't have Alzheimers? I'm pretty sure that if not, Shepard would know that Indoctrination Theory is a hoax by now.

Swing and a miss.

What does the IT have to do with this ? I told TIM that we're not ready for such power five minutes before (parangon option) and now I would go the opposite way ? I don't agree with the Brat and his logic, IT or not. That's why I shoot the pipe, whatever my interpretation of the ending is.
Furthermore, what I think is none of your problems. I'm staying on topic, do the same.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 15 juillet 2012 - 09:25 .

[ObserverStatus]

Uncle Jo wrote...
What does the IT have to do with this ? I told TIM that we're not ready for such power five minutes before (parangon option) and now I would go the opposite way ? I don't agree with the Brat and his logic, IT or not. That's why I shoot the pipe, whatever my interpretation of the ending is.
Furthermore, what I think is none of your problem. I'm staying on topic, do the same.

My point is, the Star Child may be a major douche cadet, but he isn't trying to trick you.

[Lionel Ou]

Control sucking? **** that noice, I'M A GOD NOW! ALL BOW DOWN TO THE REAPER-GOD!

[Uncle Jo]

bobobo878 wrote...

My point is, the Star Child may be a major douche cadet, but he isn't trying to trick you.

Your point is invalid.

"You won't trick me" was referring to "I thought you were parangon" in the imaginary dialogue I was having with Mesina. Don't spoil the fun.

[ObserverStatus]

Uncle Jo wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
My point is, the Star Child may be a major douche cadet, but he isn't trying to trick you.

Your point is invalid.

"You won't trick me" was referring to "I thought you were parangon" in the imaginary dialogue I was having with Mesina. Don't spoil the fun.

But that doesn't make any sense either, obviously control is the Paragon option. With the exception of the collector base decision, paragon choices usually revolve taking large risks for the greater good, while renegade usually involves making large sacrifices in order to minimize risk. Destroying the reapers to minimize the risk of them corrupting your thoughts  isn't all that different from massacring the folks on Zhu's hope to minimize the risk of Thorian Spores getting offworld.

Modifié par bobobo878, 15 juillet 2012 - 09:48 .

[RenegonSQ]

It's obviously the best? Ok, Tim. I'm guessing you're name is Tim, it just has to be.

[legion999]

The OP nails why I choose Control.

And honestly the 'Cerberus wanted it' aspect doesn't bother me when the alternatives are genocide and ugh... Synthesis. Not everything Cerberus does is stupid.

[Lionel Ou]

legion999 wrote...
Not everything Cerberus does is stupid.

Just their planning and execution of said plans.

[Chewin]

Mesina2 wrote...
Don't blame Shepard for lack of resources and time for proper role playing and investigate option.

Yes, a protagonist can only be as good as the game he / she is in, especially if the game is designed to be a constant corridor massacre with little IQ involved.

Modifié par Chewin3, 15 juillet 2012 - 09:53 .

[AndreasShepard]

Control would be a pretty lame fate for Commander Shepard. He can't communicate with his loved ones, and has to live on after they all die (even Liara will die in another 900 years or so). Then all he'd have left to do is play policeman/enforcer to an entire galaxy that he has no emotional attachment to. It'd be like you're stuck playing civilization the game for all eternity with no friends or end goal. I guess you could throw all the reapers into the sun but even then you're still losing.

[ObserverStatus]

AndreasShepard wrote...

Control would be a pretty lame fate for Commander Shepard. He can't communicate with his loved ones, and has to live on after they all die (even Liara will die in another 900 years or so). Then all he'd have left to do is play policeman/enforcer to an entire galaxy that he has no emotional attachment to. It'd be like you're stuck playing civilization the game for all eternity with no friends or end goal. I guess you could throw all the reapers into the sun but even then you're still losing.

Why couldn't he communicate with his loved ones?  I don't remember Sovereign or Harbinger having any trouble communicating with Shepard.

[Uncle Jo]

bobobo878 wrote...

But that doesn't make any sense either, obviously control is the Paragon option. With the exception of the collector base decision, paragon choices usually revolve taking large risks for the greater good, while renegade usually involves making large sacrifices in order to minimize risk.

That's your interpretation. From what I saw in the three games, the control option was never advocated by "parangon" characters but rather by insane, megalomaniac or indoctrinated ones.

And TIM, whose intention was always to control the Reapers (even before he was indoctrinated) and repurpose them to his own advantage thus gaining absolute power, is all but parangon. You're following the same path, using the same means. Parangons don't crave for power, they fear it and its consequences.

You seized, on your own will, the control of the Reapers, knowing what it could imply. You placed yourself above everyone and everything in the galaxy. No matter what you'll do with your new pals, you're a despot, even if an enlightened one. Why ? Because no one can oppose you, the galaxy is now in your grasp and depends completely on you and your decisions. Before it tries to get rid of you.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 15 juillet 2012 - 10:23 .