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[Xellith]

An AI gets to watch over everyone. An AI that one day might go "you know what... harvesting organics might be a better way of saving everyone.. yeah..." Possibly..

[ObserverStatus]

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Doesn't help that you try for the previous 5 minutes in convincing TIM that it is a horrible idea.

That's a problem with the writing in the part where Shepard talks to tIM, not the ending itself.

[dbt-kenny]

there is no control at all as you cannot order them to do anything at all

[silentassassin264]

Control is my favorite ending. It allows me to make my own storyline about how immortal god empress Shepard rules her underlings. Many of which involve flicking things at Harbinger.

[D24O]

Xellith wrote...

An AI gets to watch over everyone. An AI that one day might go "you know what... harvesting organics might be a better way of saving everyone.. yeah..." Possibly..

Your headcanon. Mine he doesn't.

[ObserverStatus]

Tealjaker94 wrote...
Control doesn't allow you to destroy the Reapers. Whether paragon or renegade, Shepard will use the Reapers as the galaxy police.

Actually, the events portrayed in the EC are not considered to be canon, just bonus material.  Much like the entire plot of Halo Reach

Tealjaker94 wrote...
 Plus Shepard lives in destroy.  

Nope, in the Destroy ending you simply see Shepard's chest spasming after he is suffocated under a giant pile of debris.

[MegaSovereign]

My Paragon always picks Control. My renegade always picks Destroy.

My paragade picks synthesis.

[Quackjack]

Renmiri1 wrote...

Is a bit creepy.. A being with so much power, even if it is Sheppard.. *shudders*... has a n echo of Big Brother on it.

[o Ventus]

bobobo878 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...
Control doesn't allow you to destroy the Reapers. Whether paragon or renegade, Shepard will use the Reapers as the galaxy police.

Actually, the events portrayed in the EC are not considered to be canon, just bonus material.  Much like the entire plot of Halo Reach

Tealjaker94 wrote...
 Plus Shepard lives in destroy.  

Nope, in the Destroy ending you simply see Shepard's chest spasming after he is suffocated under a giant pile of debris.

Are you always this deluded, or only when it's convenient for you?

[ObserverStatus]

MegaSovereign wrote...
My Paragon always picks Control. My renegade always picks Destroy.
My paragade picks synthesis.

My Paragon and Renegade both picked Control, while my Renegon picked Morinth.

[Tealjaker94]

bobobo878 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...
Control doesn't allow you to destroy the Reapers. Whether paragon or renegade, Shepard will use the Reapers as the galaxy police.

Actually, the events portrayed in the EC are not considered to be canon, just bonus material.  Much like the entire plot of Halo Reach

Tealjaker94 wrote...
 Plus Shepard lives in destroy.  

Nope, in the Destroy ending you simply see Shepard's chest spasming after he is suffocated under a giant pile of debris.

Both those statements are false.

[Taboo]

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...
Control doesn't allow you to destroy the Reapers. Whether paragon or renegade, Shepard will use the Reapers as the galaxy police.

Actually, the events portrayed in the EC are not considered to be canon, just bonus material.  Much like the entire plot of Halo Reach

Tealjaker94 wrote...
 Plus Shepard lives in destroy.  

Nope, in the Destroy ending you simply see Shepard's chest spasming after he is suffocated under a giant pile of debris.

Are you always this deluded, or only when it's convenient for you?

Morinth killing him is his canon ending from what I understand.

So yes, I'd imagine that he has some issues with his brain.

[Baldavin]

While I agree that control has the potential to be the best ending, I can see why many people would not choose it.

1. It was what TIM wanted. Not a very good reason to discard a solution to a problem as serious as the reapers, but...

2. Shepard does not survive control. It's rather a VI-reconstruction (like not-Legion).

3.Would you trust anyone, including yourself, with virtually unlimited power? Even if your intentions are good, would you not be tempted to use this power to its fullest potential? The road to hell is paved with good intentions, or something like that...

4.Since we can safely assume that the increased processing power of the Shepard-VI combined with the knowledge of the Reapers would probably change your outlook on everything, can you trust this reconstruction to stay true to the ideals of the person that created it?

5. If Shepard was mostly renegade, it's very strongly implied that the Shepard-VI would create a dictatorship.

6.Humans generally don't live forever. Can you be sure that you won't go insane sometime in the future, even if it's in the distant future?

7. You can't be certain that you can keep the reapers under control. If they somehow break free from you...

Modifié par Baldavin, 14 juillet 2012 - 11:13 .

[ObserverStatus]

Tealjaker94 wrote...
Both those statements are false.

Are you trying to blow me up with a logic bomb?  I'm not a robot, you know.

[MikaelNovasun]

Shepard is dead, he or she is not watching over anyone. The 'shepard ai" even says it is based off the memories and morals of shepard. It is devoid of emotion and is following its programming. What is to stop this AI from coming to the same "logical" conclusion the starchild AI did when faced with the same problem in the future....

Modifié par MikaelNovasun, 14 juillet 2012 - 11:12 .

[D24O]

bobobo878 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...
Control doesn't allow you to destroy the Reapers. Whether paragon or renegade, Shepard will use the Reapers as the galaxy police.

Actually, the events portrayed in the EC are not considered to be canon, just bonus material.  Much like the entire plot of Halo Reach

Tealjaker94 wrote...
 Plus Shepard lives in destroy.  

Nope, in the Destroy ending you simply see Shepard's chest spasming after he is suffocated under a giant pile of debris.

1) Reach was canon, so was the EC.
2) Breath scene, while poorly executed, does imply he lives, as do the slides.

[tonnactus]

Its idiotic to think one human mind could control all the reapers(even transferred). Even more funny regarding that shepard maybee convinced the illusive man that he was wrong.

[Tealjaker94]

bobobo878 wrote...

Tealjaker94 wrote...
Both those statements are false.

Are you trying to blow me up with a logic bomb?  I'm not a robot, you know.

That doesn't make any sense. Thus I consider this argument won. I've no problem with you picking control, but there's no "best" choice.

Modifié par Tealjaker94, 14 juillet 2012 - 11:13 .

[D24O]

MikaelNovasun wrote...

Shepard is dead, he or she is not watching over anyone. The 'shepard ai" even says it is based off the memories and morals of shepard. It is devoid of emotion and is following its programming. What is to stop this AI from coming to the same "logical" conclusion the starchild AI did when faced with the same problem in the future....

My headcanon, since the future is supposed to be up to the player to decide.

[Xellith]

D24O wrote...

Xellith wrote...

An AI gets to watch over everyone. An AI that one day might go "you know what... harvesting organics might be a better way of saving everyone.. yeah..." Possibly..

Your headcanon. Mine he doesn't.

I never said that the Shepard AI would do that.  The AI would NOT be you from the moment of its creation. It would be limited to its programming.  Programming based on your shepard.  The AI kid thing supposedly was doing its best to ensure the survival of organics and synthetics.

If that can believed then its entirely plausable to believe that the Shepard AI might fall prey to the same shoddy Reaper logic and eventually try its "best" to protect organics and synthetics.

Its nothing to do with headcannon.  Its just a possibility.

Modifié par Xellith, 14 juillet 2012 - 11:14 .

[ObserverStatus]

MikaelNovasun wrote...

Shepard is dead, he or she is not watching over anyone. The 'shepard ai" even says it is based off the memories and morals of shepard. It is devoid of emotion and is following its programming. What is to stop this AI from coming to the same "logical" conclusion the starchild AI did when faced with the same problem in the future....

Because as a fleet of reapers, he will know everything that the Starchild knew, and he would realize that harvesting organics is the wrong solution for the same reason that the Star Child realized it is the wrong solution.

[Edolix]

I'm not a fan of Control simply because it makes Shepard the new Catalyst - and we all know what happened to the original Catalyst. It became corrupted and twisted by its own broken logic. Whose to say that after a few million years or so, the same could happen to God-Reaper-Shepard? It all seems rather sinister to me.

It's still miles better then Synthesis though.

Modifié par Edolix, 14 juillet 2012 - 11:15 .

[Ageless Face]

tonnactus wrote...

Its idiotic to think one human mind could control all the reapers(even transferred). Even more funny regarding that shepard maybee convinced the illusive man that he was wrong.

Good thing Shepard won't be a human anymore.