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[billy the squid]

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Baldavin wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
That's the beauty of it, the immortal imnipotent dictator is only as despotic as Shepard desires it to be,  and if he realizes that it needs to be overthrown, he can overthrow himself.

When was the last time a dictator overthrew himself?

I have no idea, but it really depends on your definition of a dictator.  In my opinion, the tradition of dictators overthrowing themselves began in 1799 when George Washington refrained from seeking a third term in office.

U.S. Presidency = dictator now, right?

For all intents and purposes, or do you reallly believe a 2 party partisan system provides beneficial representation. It is the totalitarianism of popularity.

[o Ventus]

billy the squid wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Baldavin wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
That's the beauty of it, the immortal imnipotent dictator is only as despotic as Shepard desires it to be,  and if he realizes that it needs to be overthrown, he can overthrow himself.

When was the last time a dictator overthrew himself?

I have no idea, but it really depends on your definition of a dictator.  In my opinion, the tradition of dictators overthrowing themselves began in 1799 when George Washington refrained from seeking a third term in office.

U.S. Presidency = dictator now, right?

For all intents and purposes, or do you reallly believe a 2 party partisan system provides beneficial representation. It is the totalitarianism of popularity.

The point...

... It has been missed.

[Unlimited69x]

Control is unpopular because in all of the games. We have been taught control = indoctrination. Everyone who has tried to learn or control any kind of Reaper material became indoctrinated. In the EC Control ending; Shepard talks about using them as a way to protect the galaxy, so he has no plans of flying them into the Sun.

[Tealjaker94]

billy the squid wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

U.S. Presidency = dictator now, right?

For all intents and purposes, or do you reallly believe a 2 party partisan system provides beneficial representation. It is the totalitarianism of popularity.

That's probably why Barack Obama has been able to do everything he wanted to while in office. Oh wait...

[billy the squid]

o Ventus wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Baldavin wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
That's the beauty of it, the immortal imnipotent dictator is only as despotic as Shepard desires it to be,  and if he realizes that it needs to be overthrown, he can overthrow himself.

When was the last time a dictator overthrew himself?

I have no idea, but it really depends on your definition of a dictator.  In my opinion, the tradition of dictators overthrowing themselves began in 1799 when George Washington refrained from seeking a third term in office.

U.S. Presidency = dictator now, right?

For all intents and purposes, or do you reallly believe a 2 party partisan system provides beneficial representation. It is the totalitarianism of popularity.

The point...

... It has been missed.

Your perspicacity does you credit. Get back to me when you realise the point made.

[noobcannon]

 

bobobo878 wrote...

I've been reading a few of the polls, and it seems that Control is almost always the least popular ending choice even though it is obviously the best, why is that? I know that everyone wants the Reapers dead after all they've done, but with Shepard in control, couldn't Shepard just destroy fly them all into the sun without murderizing all of Shepard's synthetic friends?  In addition to that, Shepard could have them rebuild the Mass Relays and everything else they destroyed, as seen in EC, and recycle all their Element Zero before sending them to their graves.

Also, aside from the fate of the Synthetics, Control provides the best future for Shepard himself.  Instead of dying of thirst under a pile of rocks or simply ceasing to be like in Synthesis, Shepard gets to be a god.

So now that we know that Indoctrination theory is a hoax, is the reason noone picked it because they don't want to admit that the so called "Cerberus Fanboys" were right all along?  I know that a lot of people hate Cerberus Fans for being so open minded and pragmatic, but can't you just let go of your hate to save Edi and the Geth?

 

in other news it is okay for frodo to keep the one ring for himself, spiderman to continue using the symbiote, and luke to embrace the dark side in order to overthrow the emperor

Modifié par noobcannon, 14 juillet 2012 - 11:51 .

[o Ventus]

billy the squid wrote...

Your perspicacity does you credit. Get back to me when you realise the point made.

You're trying very hard to pass off as intelligent.

Please, it is unnecessary.

[D24O]

o Ventus wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Your perspicacity does you credit. Get back to me when you realise the point made.

You're trying very hard to pass off as intelligent.

Please, it is unnecessary.

Derailment succusfully averted.

[ObserverStatus]

Baldavin wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
I have no idea, but it really depends on your definition of a dictator.  In my opinion, the tradition of dictators overthrowing themselves began in 1799 when George Washington refrained from seeking a third term in office.

So now we are only left with a problem if the Shepard goes rogue and does not realize that it needs to step down.

Whether or not Shepard needs to step down is an entirely subjetive manner.  If it isn't up to Shepard whether or not he needs to step down, whose call is it?

[Uncle Jo]

Shep : "You're playing with things you don't understand. With power you shouldn't be able to use:"

TIM : I don't believe that. If we can control it why shouldn't it be ours ?

Shep : Because we're not ready."

...5 minutes later...

The Brat : " You could use the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers.

Shep: Cool ! Where are the rods ?"

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 14 juillet 2012 - 11:52 .

[RethenX]

I thought all of the endings were unpopular?

[Baldavin]

bobobo878 wrote...
Whether or not Shepard needs to step down is an entirely subjetive manner.  If it isn't up to Shepard whether or not he needs to step down, whose call is it?

How about the people who have to live in the same galaxy as the Shepard?

[noobcannon]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Shep : "You're playing with things you don't understand. With power you shouldn't be able to use:"

TIM : I don't believe that. If we can control it why shouldn't it be ours ?

Shep : Because we're not ready."

...5 minutes later...

The Brat : " You could use the Crucible to seize the control of the Reapers.

Shep: Cool ! Where are the rods ?"

^this

[Tealjaker94]

Tigerblood and Sharkshakes wrote...

From what im reading and seeing you guys debate.the old humanized point of "logic" comes into play

The fear of the unknown, the fear of being wrong.
Shepard is the most fearless being by the end of Mass effect 3.it makes alot of sense to pick control.

Hitler was also pretty fearless. 
Note: not saying control shep=Hitler, just saying I don't trust anyone with absolute power.

[o Ventus]

Tigerblood and Sharkshakes wrote...

From what im reading and seeing you guys debate.the old humanized point of "logic" comes into play

The fear of the unknown, the fear of being wrong.
Shepard is the most fearless being by the end of Mass effect 3.it makes alot of sense to pick control.

The hell does fear have to do with anything?

I'm not afraid of wolves, but I know that if I ever encounter one, I would be lunch. Fear is irrelevant if the situation is simply too much.

[Baldavin]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Shep : "You're playing with things you don't understand. With power you shouldn't be able to use:"

TIM : I don't believe that. If we can control it why shouldn't it be ours ?

Shep : Because we're not ready."

...5 minutes later...

The Brat : " You could use the Crucible to seize control of the Reapers.

Shep: Cool ! Where are the rods ?"

See that's why you pick the renegade option in this part of the conversation if you don't want to look like a complete lunatic when picking control.

[Haseeo]

I picked Destroy and my Shepard was paragon throughout all three games. It fit in the most with the over all theme of the series and even by what is said we can repair everything lost meaning the Geth and Edi to.

Control was not a option to me, your Shepard dies no if or buts he is gone and whats left is a AI of you. yes it's based on you but how long can that AI stay true to your human idles in the face of such power it has. Whats to say it doesn't like a AI come to a logical choice that what the star child AI did was right and start the whole cycle again?

[ObserverStatus]

Also, if you guys believe that Shepard requires a popular vote to legitimize his rules, keep in mind that the intelligent minds that have been assimilated into the Reaper Fleet probably outnumber organic minds a thousand to one.

[Harbinger of your Destiny]

Baldavin wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
Whether or not Shepard needs to step down is an entirely subjetive manner.  If it isn't up to Shepard whether or not he needs to step down, whose call is it?

How about the people who have to live in the same galaxy as the Shepard?

And how will they enforce this descision ?

[Taboo]

o Ventus wrote...

Tigerblood and Sharkshakes wrote...

From what im reading and seeing you guys debate.the old humanized point of "logic" comes into play

The fear of the unknown, the fear of being wrong.
Shepard is the most fearless being by the end of Mass effect 3.it makes alot of sense to pick control.

The hell does fear have to do with anything?

I'm not afraid of wolves, but I know that if I ever encounter one, I would be lunch. Fear is irrelevant if the situation is simply too much.

I'm not even sure what he's arguing.

Uh, someone who wants to not take risks chooses Destroy.

The other two choices are HUGE unknowns.

Is your Shepard not smart enough to figure this out?

[D24O]

Haseeo wrote...

I picked Destroy and my Shepard was paragon throughout all three games. It fit in the most with the over all theme of the series and even by what is said we can repair everything lost meaning the Geth and Edi to.

Control was not a option to me, your Shepard dies no if or buts he is gone and whats left is a AI of you. yes it's based on you but how long can that AI stay true to your human idles in the face of such power it has. Whats to say it doesn't like a AI come to a logical choice that what the star child AI did was right and start the whole cycle again?

You are what says whether he goes crazy or not.

[Baldavin]

bobobo878 wrote...

Also, if you guys believe that Shepard requires a popular vote to legitimize his rules, keep in mind that the intelligent minds that have been assimilated into the Reaper Fleet probably outnumber organic minds a thousand to one.

So now we let the reapers decide our fate... it keeps getting better and better.

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...

Baldavin wrote...
How about the people who have to live in the same galaxy as the Shepard?

And how will they enforce this descision ?

That's why it is a somewhat problematic situation to have a being with virtually unlimited power. If it does not want to agree with the many, there is no way you can force it to.

Modifié par Baldavin, 14 juillet 2012 - 11:58 .