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[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Flashflame58 wrote...

Oh come on, we all know the best ending is the refuse ending.

No power in it.  It is weakness. If Shepard were to say order an EDI body made for her she could then interact and oversee the Council, and simply veto or approve any action the council takes. Every room on the Citadel of course can be eavesdropped easily. She knows when you are sleeping. She knows when you're awake. She knows if you've been bad or good, so be good for goodness sake.

She'll be able to visit other worlds and inspect, or have her minions do the inspections. She can drop the avatar at any time so don't even bother detaining it, and try to detain it and the reaper fleet shows up and starts bombarding. We can glass a world in short order as an example. The death of one person is a tragedy. The deaths of billions? A statistic.

Every world will fall in line.

[G Kevin]

bobobo878 wrote...

That certainly would suck but that would be a moot point because the Star Child has already figured out that the Reaper cycle doesn't work, and to try it again would be Albert Einstein's definition of insanity.  I'm pretty sure that as an all powerful fleet of reapers, Shepard would know better than to try the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

I'm just saying, Shepard has the power to do something the rest of civilization wouldn't exactly agree with.

The reaper cycle could be made to work with some modificatoins perhaps? I have no idea but the risk is there.

[Arcadian Legend]

bobobo878 wrote...

Harbinger of your Destiny wrote...
Exactly the only way you would be able to get rid of him is to build another crucible and go through the entire reaper war all over again. This eliminates control as a viable option so that leaves us only with synthesis and destroy and because synthesis is stupid on a whole different level the only choice is destroy.

What good would that do? Even after building the Crucible, Shepard was still left only with choices offered to him by his predecessor.  If someone built another crucible and Shepard was the new Catalyst, rather than offering them the "Control Synthesis Destroy and Reject" options, if Shepard knows that he doesn't need to step down, he could simply give his successor the options of "Sit on a Dragon Tooth and Spin" and "Sit there waiting for more choices until you die of old age."

Or a reaper blast to the face.

[Baldavin]

bobobo878 wrote...

G Kevin wrote...
So if Shepard felt like doing something similar to the Reaper cycle, then what?

That certainly would suck but that would be a moot point because the Star Child has already figured out that the Reaper cycle doesn't work, and to try it again would be Albert Einstein's definition of insanity.  I'm pretty sure that as an all powerful fleet of reapers, Shepard would know better than to try the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

Now it's you who is missing the point. Continuation of the cycle is only one of many insanites you can justify if you are the one who decides what is right and wrong.

[Zaxares]

Control offers some pretty interesting possibilities for headcanon, up to and including creating a smaller synthetic body for yourself to continue to your relationship with your LI. The big question, of course, is whether the Shepard-Controller still has the same desires and feelings that a mortal would. Some people also question whether or not Shepard's influence on the Catalyst/Controller will be permanent. Divorced from the needs and emotions of a mortal, will the Shepard-Controller still be able to relate to organics a thousand, or even a million years down the track? Or might it one day come to the conclusion that the Catalyst was right all along and resume the cycles?

Despite all of that, Control is probably tied with the best Destroy version for my preferred ME3 ending. (Partly because my headcanon Destroy version results in me rebuilding EDI and the geth. Hackett did say everything that was lost can be rebuilt!) Synthesis is probably my least favourite ending. It just seems too implausible for me to believe.

[Phydeaux314]

Hoooooooonk.

Seriously though?

Reaper!Shepard, Task 1: Rebuild Relays.
Reaper!Shepard, Task 2: Rebuild Crucible in event of evil takeover, delete memory of making said Crucible.
Reaper!Shepard, Task 3: Continue as planned.

[Phydeaux314]

Zaxares wrote...

Control offers some pretty interesting possibilities for headcanon, up to and including creating a smaller synthetic body for yourself to continue to your relationship with your LI. The big question, of course, is whether the Shepard-Controller still has the same desires and feelings that a mortal would. Some people also question whether or not Shepard's influence on the Catalyst/Controller will be permanent. Divorced from the needs and emotions of a mortal, will the Shepard-Controller still be able to relate to organics a thousand, or even a million years down the track? Or might it one day come to the conclusion that the Catalyst was right all along and resume the cycles?

Despite all of that, Control is probably tied with the best Destroy version for my preferred ME3 ending. (Partly because my headcanon Destroy version results in me rebuilding EDI and the geth. Hackett did say everything that was lost can be rebuilt!) Synthesis is probably my least favourite ending. It just seems too implausible for me to believe.

I would almost insist on making a body. Becoming disconnected from the galaxy is the first step towards not caring about what happens in it. If Reaper!Shepard is anything like Shepard - and given that Reaper!Shepard inherited all of Shepard's memories, morals, and thought patterns, I think she is - she absolutely would want to stay involved.

But yeah, this is pretty much my headcanon. Not for the LI; although that would be a cool side benefit, but rather to prevent Reaper!Shepard from losing touch with what she swore to protect.

[Ji99saw]

It does not solve the catalyst tech singularity problem

[Memnon]

My opinion - any option in which the Reapers, who are the most destructive force in the history of the galaxy, are still intact is a poor option. We have example after example of AI going nuts throughout the series - what's to say that AI Shepard doesn't get bored, runs a few trillion algorithms in his head and comes to the same conclusion that the Catalyst's creators did and start the cycle again? And Synthesis ... I don't even want to talk about that one.

My choice - remove the Reapers. Remove the Catalyst. Move on with our lives on our own terms ...

[ObserverStatus]

G Kevin wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

That certainly would suck but that would be a moot point because the Star Child has already figured out that the Reaper cycle doesn't work, and to try it again would be Albert Einstein's definition of insanity.  I'm pretty sure that as an all powerful fleet of reapers, Shepard would know better than to try the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

I'm just saying, Shepard has the power to do something the rest of civilization wouldn't exactly agree with.

The reaper cycle could be made to work with some modificatoins perhaps? I have no idea but the risk is there.

Perfect, that gives Shepard the option to do the right thing even when the rest of the Galaxy is wrong.  Where would the galaxy be if Shepard had bowed down the rest of the civilization's authority when the Normandy was grounded in ME1?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

G Kevin wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

That certainly would suck but that would be a moot point because the Star Child has already figured out that the Reaper cycle doesn't work, and to try it again would be Albert Einstein's definition of insanity.  I'm pretty sure that as an all powerful fleet of reapers, Shepard would know better than to try the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

I'm just saying, Shepard has the power to do something the rest of civilization wouldn't exactly agree with.

The reaper cycle could be made to work with some modificatoins perhaps? I have no idea but the risk is there.

You don't need a cycle. You just need to torture and assassinate your enemies as you find them. Glass a city here and there as an example. Maintain tight control over fleet sizes and technological development. Severely punish anyone who fails to obey. The thing is you have an armada that is under absolute control with no free will. You indoctrinate the population of worlds to a minor degree. How do you think totalitarian dictators can remain in power until natural death?

[D24O]

Ji99saw wrote...

It does not solve the catalyst tech singularity problem

F*** the catalyst, and f*** his problem. I don't want to solve his problem because he's been my problem for the past 3 games.

[Taboo]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

G Kevin wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

That certainly would suck but that would be a moot point because the Star Child has already figured out that the Reaper cycle doesn't work, and to try it again would be Albert Einstein's definition of insanity.  I'm pretty sure that as an all powerful fleet of reapers, Shepard would know better than to try the same thing over and over again expecting different results.

I'm just saying, Shepard has the power to do something the rest of civilization wouldn't exactly agree with.

The reaper cycle could be made to work with some modificatoins perhaps? I have no idea but the risk is there.

You don't need a cycle. You just need to torture and assassinate your enemies as you find them. Glass a city here and there as an example. Maintain tight control over fleet sizes and technological development. Severely punish anyone who fails to obey. The thing is you have an armada that is under absolute control with no free will. You indoctrinate the population of worlds to a minor degree. How do you think totalitarian dictators can remain in power until natural death?

[Baldavin]

bobobo878 wrote...
Perfect, that gives Shepard the option to do the right thing even when the rest of the Galaxy is wrong.  Where would the galaxy be if Shepard had bowed down the rest of the civilization's authority when the Normandy was grounded in ME1?

And it gives Shepard the option to do the wrong thing, even if the rest of the galaxy is right. Just because Shepard was right back then does not mean s/he is infallible.

[Ticonderoga117]

D24O wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

It does not solve the catalyst tech singularity problem

F*** the catalyst, and f*** his problem. I don't want to solve his problem because he's been my problem for the past 3 games.

Amen to that.
But no, the writers made his problem our problem. *sigh*

[Uncle Jo]

Zaxares wrote...

Control offers some pretty interesting possibilities for headcanon, up to and including creating a smaller synthetic body for yourself to continue to your relationship with your LI. The big question, of course, is whether the Shepard-Controller still has the same desires and feelings that a mortal would.
Some people also question whether or not Shepard's influence on the Catalyst/Controller will be permanent. Divorced from the needs and emotions of a mortal, will the Shepard-Controller still be able to relate to organics a thousand, or even a million years down the track? Or might it one day come to the conclusion that the Catalyst was right all along and resume the cycles?

Despite all of that, Control is probably tied with the best Destroy version for my preferred ME3 ending. (Partly because my headcanon Destroy version results in me rebuilding EDI and the geth. Hackett did say everything that was lost can be rebuilt!) Synthesis is probably my least favourite ending. It just seems too implausible for me to believe.

You seriously think that after abandoning his/her body and accessing to a limitless power and eternal life, Shep will stay the same or see the world the same way as s/he was still human ?
It's just a matter of time before s/he completely lose interest in the organic matters, if he didn't wipe out the galaxy before, for whatever reason we can't comprehend.

As for acquiring a synthetic body to meet the LI, I recognize here the typical human greed. All the advantages, no downside. And if there is any, try to bypass it.
Your LI will also for sure be happy to meet the Reapergod in person which has nothing to do with the person s/he has loved once... As well as your squadmates or your allies...

No, you'll meet only fear, incomprehension and maybe veneration... Repulsion in the worst case. That's the price to pay for becoming god.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 15 juillet 2012 - 12:33 .

[ObserverStatus]

Baldavin wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
Perfect, that gives Shepard the option to do the right thing even when the rest of the Galaxy is wrong.  Where would the galaxy be if Shepard had bowed down the rest of the civilization's authority when the Normandy was grounded in ME1?

And it gives Shepard the option to do the wrong thing, even if the rest of the galaxy is right. Just because Shepard was right back then does not mean s/he is infallible.

What is right and wrong is a matter of opinion, the fact that not everyone will always agree with you does not take away your right to make choices.

[Ji99saw]

D24O wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

It does not solve the catalyst tech singularity problem

F*** the catalyst, and f*** his problem. I don't want to solve his problem because he's been my problem for the past 3 games.

Chill bro, weather you like the problem or not is irrelevent same goes for the catalyst. The problem is just not solved in control

[Ticonderoga117]

Ji99saw wrote...
Chill bro, weather you like the problem or not is irrelevent same goes for the catalyst. The problem is just not solved in control

None of the endings solve his problem! That's a problem!

[Baldavin]

bobobo878 wrote...
What is right and wrong is a matter of opinion, the fact that not everyone will always agree with you does not take away your right to make choices.

Yet you would propose a state of existence in which one being can at any given moment decide to take away the rights of everyone else. According to you it can even define right and wrong, sanity and insanity.

[ObserverStatus]

Baldavin wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
What is right and wrong is a matter of opinion, the fact that not everyone will always agree with you does not take away your right to make choices.

Yet you would propose a state of existence in which one being can at any given moment decide to take away the rights of everyone else. According to you it can even define right and wrong, sanity and insanity.

Well perhaps YOUR Shepard would choose to take away the right of everyone in the Galaxy, but mine would choose not to.

[Ji99saw]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...
Chill bro, weather you like the problem or not is irrelevent same goes for the catalyst. The problem is just not solved in control

None of the endings solve his problem! That's a problem!

synthesis solves it

[Ticonderoga117]

Ji99saw wrote...
synthesis solves it

No it doesn't. The Galaxy can make pure synthetics. Then it starts again.

[Baldavin]

bobobo878 wrote...
Well perhaps YOUR Shepard would choose to take away the right of everyone in the Galaxy, but mine would choose not to.

It wasn't me who said that Shepard should define right or wrong. My opinion is rather that Shepard should fix the damage the reapers have done and then solve the problem permanently by destroying the reapers.

[ObserverStatus]

D24O wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...

It does not solve the catalyst tech singularity problem

F*** the catalyst, and f*** his problem. I don't want to solve his problem because he's been my problem for the past 3 games.

That's the problem with the ending, the final choice was framed as how to solve the Catalyst's problem, not how to solve Shepard's problem.  Control just happened to be the solution to the Catalyst's problem that is the most beneficial to Shepard.