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[Ji99saw]

Ticonderoga117 wrote...

Ji99saw wrote...
synthesis solves it

No it doesn't. The Galaxy can make pure synthetics. Then it starts again.

Except for the fact there is no reason to make pure synthetics, besides what part of all synthetic life has changed forever was misunderstood? If they do make more AI synthetics they would be changed also through the magic space dust from the crucible. You can argue as much as you want but it's the only real solution except for refusal but we don't know how that cycle defeated the reapers.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

The Shepard AI even in the avatar body would not be really interested in interacting with a LI. It is in a realm far beyond your comprehension. It looks upon you as its children that are in need of rules, and sometimes stern discipline when you do not follow them. It does not care about the petty needs and desires of the flesh. It does not care about the rules you make to govern your own. It only cares that you follow its rules.

In the beginning it may interact in governmental affairs in the form of the avatar frequently. As the years go by it may interact less and less frequently. It may walk among the unwashed masses on the Citadel to let the people know it has not forgotten, but they will know it not.

The powerless will always have their freedom of choices. The powerful will have to conform to the rules. The powerless will at times overthrow the powerful. The once powerful will become the powerless, and the powerless will become the powerful and now find themselves subject to the rules.

Do you see how this works? It maintains order in a system that tends toward chaos.

And who said the rules are the same? Who said that Shepard now cares about Synthetics vs. Organics?

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 15 juillet 2012 - 12:50 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

You act like there is something wrong with Space-Reaper-God-King-Shepard stripping away the rights of the serfs under him. Such questioning of ReapShep shall not be tolerated.

It certainly beats turning all life into some glowie-eyed synthetic-hybrid freaks.

[Zaxares]

Uncle Jo wrote...

You seriously think that after abandoning his/her body and accessing to a limitless power and eternal life, Shep will stay the same or see the world the same way as s/he was still human ?
It's just a matter of time before s/he completely lose interest in the organic matters, if he didn't wipe out the galaxy before, for whatever reason we can't comprehend.

As for acquiring a synthetic body to meet the LI, I recognize here the typical human greed. All the advantages, no downside. And if there is any, try to bypass it.
Your LI will also for sure be happy to meet the Reapergod in person which has nothing to do with the person s/he has loved once... As well as your squadmates or your allies...

No, you'll meet only fear, incomprehension and maybe veneration... Repulsion in the worst case. That's the price to pay for becoming god.

Of course I've considered it. It's the main reason why I can't consider the Control ending to be my favourite (it's currently tied with the best Destroy ending). But perhaps what Shepard needs to do in that situation is to "step down" from his position when he realises he can't relate to organics anymore. Similar to what the Catalyst did before him, Shepard selects a new organic to be the next Controller. So it's a new cycle, of a sorts.

One other way that Shepard could also stave off his disconnection for a time is to have a new organic body cloned from tissue samples (I'm sure he would have had some left from medical check-ups), then implant cybernetic transmitters in his brain to connect him with his other self. This way, he can still gain the perspective, needs and emotions that come from being a living being, even while being the Controller. It would probably also be a lot easier for your LI to accept you if they're not into flesh-covered robots.

[ObserverStatus]

Baldavin wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
Well perhaps YOUR Shepard would choose to take away the right of everyone in the Galaxy, but mine would choose not to.

It wasn't me who said that Shepard should define right or wrong. My opinion is rather that Shepard should fix the damage the reapers have done and then solve the problem permanently by destroying the reapers.

Perfect, in that case the Galaxy has nothing to fear from your Shepard, problem solved.

[o Ventus]

bobobo878 wrote...

Baldavin wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
Well perhaps YOUR Shepard would choose to take away the right of everyone in the Galaxy, but mine would choose not to.

It wasn't me who said that Shepard should define right or wrong. My opinion is rather that Shepard should fix the damage the reapers have done and then solve the problem permanently by destroying the reapers.

Perfect, in that case the Galaxy has nothing to fear from your Shepard, problem solved.

You mean aside from the Reapers still existing, and the very real possibility of Shepard/Catalyst restarting the cycle?

[Inquisitor Recon]

o Ventus wrote...
You mean aside from the Reapers still existing, and the very real possibility of Shepard/Catalyst restarting the cycle?

I doubt Shepard is going to every get that bored. Besides, maybe it will inspire the races of the galaxy to build stronger fleets. Fleets which Shepard can find ways to manipulate into going to war, providng much entertainment for him.

Modifié par ReconTeam, 15 juillet 2012 - 12:57 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

ReconTeam wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
You mean aside from the Reapers still existing, and the very real possibility of Shepard/Catalyst restarting the cycle?

I doubt Shepard is going to every get that bored. Besides, maybe it will inspire the races of the galaxy to build stronger fleets.

They won't be allowed to build stronger fleets.

[Ticonderoga117]

Ji99saw wrote...
Except for the fact there is no reason to make pure synthetics, besides what part of all synthetic life has changed forever was misunderstood? If they do make more AI synthetics they would be changed also through the magic space dust from the crucible. You can argue as much as you want but it's the only real solution except for refusal but we don't know how that cycle defeated the reapers.

Well, let's see why the Quarians made the Geth.
Survey says!.... Cheap labor!
Guess what? That reason, and others, can still be around.
Why fight wars yourself when you can no whip up a synthetic army with all that awesome Reaper tech.
Don't want to make them too advance so they won't end up being sentient, and then they become sentient anyway.

Synthesis can't change things in the future.

Thus, problem still remains. Fan-tastic!

[o Ventus]

ReconTeam wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
You mean aside from the Reapers still existing, and the very real possibility of Shepard/Catalyst restarting the cycle?

I doubt Shepard is going to every get that bored. Besides, maybe it will inspire the races of the galaxy to build stronger fleets.

He probably won't, because it isn't Shepard at the time.

[ObserverStatus]

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Baldavin wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
Well perhaps YOUR Shepard would choose to take away the right of everyone in the Galaxy, but mine would choose not to.

It wasn't me who said that Shepard should define right or wrong. My opinion is rather that Shepard should fix the damage the reapers have done and then solve the problem permanently by destroying the reapers.

Perfect, in that case the Galaxy has nothing to fear from your Shepard, problem solved.

You mean aside from the Reapers still existing, and the very real possibility of Shepard/Catalyst restarting the cycle?

Um, no, he just said that he wants to destroy the reapers when he's done with them.  Who's going to stop him from destroying the reapers and make him restart the cycle, you?

[Baldavin]

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Baldavin wrote...
It wasn't me who said that Shepard should define right or wrong. My opinion is rather that Shepard should fix the damage the reapers have done and then solve the problem permanently by destroying the reapers.

Perfect, in that case the Galaxy has nothing to fear from your Shepard, problem solved.

You mean aside from the Reapers still existing, and the very real possibility of Shepard/Catalyst restarting the cycle?

You did read the part about destroying the reapers, right?

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Baldavin wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Baldavin wrote...
It wasn't me who said that Shepard should define right or wrong. My opinion is rather that Shepard should fix the damage the reapers have done and then solve the problem permanently by destroying the reapers.

Perfect, in that case the Galaxy has nothing to fear from your Shepard, problem solved.

You mean aside from the Reapers still existing, and the very real possibility of Shepard/Catalyst restarting the cycle?

You did read the part about destroying the reapers, right?

Now why would the Reaper Overlord AI do such a silly thing like that?

[Phydeaux314]

Zaxares wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

You seriously think that after abandoning his/her body and accessing to a limitless power and eternal life, Shep will stay the same or see the world the same way as s/he was still human ?
It's just a matter of time before s/he completely lose interest in the organic matters, if he didn't wipe out the galaxy before, for whatever reason we can't comprehend.

As for acquiring a synthetic body to meet the LI, I recognize here the typical human greed. All the advantages, no downside. And if there is any, try to bypass it.
Your LI will also for sure be happy to meet the Reapergod in person which has nothing to do with the person s/he has loved once... As well as your squadmates or your allies...

No, you'll meet only fear, incomprehension and maybe veneration... Repulsion in the worst case. That's the price to pay for becoming god.

Of course I've considered it. It's the main reason why I can't consider the Control ending to be my favourite (it's currently tied with the best Destroy ending). But perhaps what Shepard needs to do in that situation is to "step down" from his position when he realises he can't relate to organics anymore. Similar to what the Catalyst did before him, Shepard selects a new organic to be the next Controller. So it's a new cycle, of a sorts.

One other way that Shepard could also stave off his disconnection for a time is to have a new organic body cloned from tissue samples (I'm sure he would have had some left from medical check-ups), then implant cybernetic transmitters in his brain to connect him with his other self. This way, he can still gain the perspective, needs and emotions that come from being a living being, even while being the Controller. It would probably also be a lot easier for your LI to accept you if they're not into flesh-covered robots.

I'm actually about fifteen thousand words into a fan fic with pretty much that exact premise -.-

[Baldavin]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Baldavin wrote...
You did read the part about destroying the reapers, right?

Now why would the Reaper Overlord AI do such a silly thing like that?

Not sure if sarcasm, but have an answer just in case: Because it may have been among Shepard's last thoughts before dying. Or because it came to the conclusion that no one should be trusted with so much power for too long.

Modifié par Baldavin, 15 juillet 2012 - 01:04 .

[covertdrizzt]

If I were to make a control freak, tyrannical, renegade shepard, I might chose control. I have to wonder if that AI is really shepard though.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Not my colonist, ruthless, renegade, hetero femShep who romanced Jacob in ME2.... AT LAST, THE POWER IS MINE. Bow down to Me.

And no, that isn't Shepard. That is an AI with Shepard's attributes. Shepard gave her life so that this ... this thing would be created.

Modifié par sH0tgUn jUliA, 15 juillet 2012 - 01:08 .

[Baldavin]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
Not my colonist, ruthless, renegade, hetero femShep who romanced Jacob in ME2.... AT LAST, THE POWER IS MINE. Bow down to Me.

There we have it again, the ultimate problem with control: it's only as good as the person that chooses it.

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...
And no, that isn't Shepard. That is an AI with Shepard's attributes. Shepard gave her life so that this ... this thing would be created.

The original Shepard is dead, but that is irrelevant. The copy should do well enough.

Modifié par Baldavin, 15 juillet 2012 - 01:12 .

[ObserverStatus]

o Ventus wrote...
You mean aside from the Reapers still existing, and the very real possibility of Shepard/Catalyst restarting the cycle?

I'm sorry, but I'm just not following your train of logic, are you saying that Shepard should refrain from controlling the reapers because it would be within his power to restart the cycle?  By that logic Shepard should refrain from purchasing Tabasco sauce because it would be within his power to pump it up his own pee hole with a plastic syringe.

[MTX99]

Synthesis is the worst ending. as angry joe said, hell I even knew it before I've seen his EC video. Synthesis goes against EVERYTHING ME2 was all about.

[o Ventus]

bobobo878 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Baldavin wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
Well perhaps YOUR Shepard would choose to take away the right of everyone in the Galaxy, but mine would choose not to.

It wasn't me who said that Shepard should define right or wrong. My opinion is rather that Shepard should fix the damage the reapers have done and then solve the problem permanently by destroying the reapers.

Perfect, in that case the Galaxy has nothing to fear from your Shepard, problem solved.

You mean aside from the Reapers still existing, and the very real possibility of Shepard/Catalyst restarting the cycle?

Um, no, he just said that he wants to destroy the reapers when he's done with them.  Who's going to stop him from destroying the reapers and make him restart the cycle, you?

When in the entire f**k did Shepard ever say this?

[o Ventus]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Baldavin wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Baldavin wrote...
It wasn't me who said that Shepard should define right or wrong. My opinion is rather that Shepard should fix the damage the reapers have done and then solve the problem permanently by destroying the reapers.

Perfect, in that case the Galaxy has nothing to fear from your Shepard, problem solved.

You mean aside from the Reapers still existing, and the very real possibility of Shepard/Catalyst restarting the cycle?

You did read the part about destroying the reapers, right?

Now why would the Reaper Overlord AI do such a silly thing like that?

Well it would kind of defeat the purpose of having the Destroy option, as well as calling the Control option "control".

[Baldavin]

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
Um, no, he just said that he wants to destroy the reapers when he's done with them.  Who's going to stop him from destroying the reapers and make him restart the cycle, you?

When in the entire f**k did Shepard ever say this?

Shepard didn't, I did. What your Shepard does after the credits roll is pretty much up to personal preference.

Modifié par Baldavin, 15 juillet 2012 - 01:16 .

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Um, no, he just said that he wants to destroy the reapers when he's done with them.  Who's going to stop him from destroying the reapers and make him restart the cycle, you?

When in the entire f**k did Shepard ever say this?

It's someone's headcanon.

[D24O]

o Ventus wrote...

Well it would kind of defeat the purpose of having the Destroy option, as well as calling the Control option "control".

Maybe Shepard only chose control because he thought there was another way to stop the reaper threat than by destroying the synthetics. Nothing says the Reapers can;t be decomissioned after the galaxy is rebuilt and stability is restored.