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[ObserverStatus]

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
It means that once Shepard is a fleet of reapers, the fact that he suffered the agonizing pain as he disintegrated into ash while he was human does not matter, no permanent harm done.

Shepard doesn't exist anymore, and that agonizing oain was the last thing he felt,  so...

Believe it or not, your brain is merely a collection of intricate natural clockwork, and the existence of your mind and identity are merely ideas. Whether or not Shepard exists after he has been turned into a fleet of reapers is a matter of how you define "Shepard"

[Inquisitor Recon]

o Ventus wrote...
Well, it's kind of impossible for one's consciousness/ memories/ thoughts/ what have you, continue to exist without a platform (in this case, a body) to store them on.

And how does the machine that ControlShepard is have a soul?

Well he transferred all of that to a reaper via the space magic devices the crucible was hiding in the citadel's attic.

[o Ventus]

bobobo878 wrote...

Believe it or not, your brain is merely a collection of intricate natural clockwork, and the existence of your mind and identity are merely ideas. Whether or not Shepard exists after he has been turned into a fleet of reapers is a matter of how you define "Shepard"

It's not my own interpretation of anything. Shepard doesn't exist post-Control, kind of like how he doesn't exist post-Synthesis. At least in Control's case, there's a Catalyst AI built using Shepard's personality as a base.

[o Ventus]

ReconTeam wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
Well, it's kind of impossible for one's consciousness/ memories/ thoughts/ what have you, continue to exist without a platform (in this case, a body) to store them on.

And how does the machine that ControlShepard is have a soul?

Well he transferred all of that to a reaper via the space magic devices the crucible was hiding in the citadel's attic.

Last I checked, overloading your brain with electricity fries it, it doesn't "download" it to anything.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

essarr71 wrote...

Sooner or later, it won't be about rebuilding anymore.  Shep takes that throne of determining whats good or bad for the galaxy.  Fact is, regardless of intelligence or intention, everything, for eternity, will be allowed to live or die on the whim of something that might not be all that connected to the condition of the galaxy they're trying to save.  It can lead to an all to casual destruction of life.  What if the Quarians and Geth race ahead in evolution.  Will Shep remove them?  What if the Krogan don't feel like they should be under a Reaper's arm?  Will Shep wipe them out?  How long until the galaxy feels they'd do better without their AI baby-sitter and rebels?  Would Shep ever see themselves as doing harm and killing itself? 

It's "I'll protect who I feel need to protect or i'll make sure everyone gets along or else." 

The Shepard AI would never see itself as doing harm. It would see itself as doing for the greater good for children who need a stern hand.

If the Krogan don't feel they like being under a reapers arm they will learn the lesson of the reaper bombardment from orbit. A couple of major cities glassed should bring them back under heel.

If the Quarian and Geth move too far ahead, they will get a warning as well. Some sabotage of a major tech center, and indoctrination of key scientists should take care of the much smaller Quarian population.

Other races will suffer similar fates.

If the galaxy decides they don't want the baby sitter any more, they'll have to kick us out, and they won't have the military power to do it since that will be tightly regulated. I will maintain the peace.

"I will lead an army that none will dare oppose. I will protect, defend, I will destroy those who threaten the future of the many.... And I will keep a watchful eye over the ones who live on." ... and I intend to keep it that way.

[JDee3]

The control ending seems very...sketchy? to me ever since the EC came out. It's the choice I chose first because it seemed like the right thing my Shepard would do no matter how sad but when the EC came out it didn't seem like what it was described to be. It seems like the reapers were still the reapers but with Shepard personality sort of downloaded which means they can still be corrupted like the original Catalyst seemed to be or if the galaxy did do something bad it would be like the Reapers would still have to fix it by what they do.. destroying. I was hoping Shepard himself and his soul would be in them or he would maybe become a Catalyst like ghost (maybe this voice of wisdom the galaxy and council looked toward) my first time playing so I could still see my squad and stuff but.. idk I just don't like it anymore. I find it hard to choose the options given

and if you had a bad Shepard then he'll most likely just go mad with power lol

Modifié par JDee3, 15 juillet 2012 - 02:03 .

[Obadiah]

OP, people have... uh... ideas.

Happily with Control, we can just ignore them and tell them what to do.

[essarr71]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

essarr71 wrote...

Sooner or later, it won't be about rebuilding anymore.  Shep takes that throne of determining whats good or bad for the galaxy.  Fact is, regardless of intelligence or intention, everything, for eternity, will be allowed to live or die on the whim of something that might not be all that connected to the condition of the galaxy they're trying to save.  It can lead to an all to casual destruction of life.  What if the Quarians and Geth race ahead in evolution.  Will Shep remove them?  What if the Krogan don't feel like they should be under a Reaper's arm?  Will Shep wipe them out?  How long until the galaxy feels they'd do better without their AI baby-sitter and rebels?  Would Shep ever see themselves as doing harm and killing itself? 

It's "I'll protect who I feel need to protect or i'll make sure everyone gets along or else." 

The Shepard AI would never see itself as doing harm. It would see itself as doing for the greater good for children who need a stern hand.

If the Krogan don't feel they like being under a reapers arm they will learn the lesson of the reaper bombardment from orbit. A couple of major cities glassed should bring them back under heel.

If the Quarian and Geth move too far ahead, they will get a warning as well. Some sabotage of a major tech center, and indoctrination of key scientists should take care of the much smaller Quarian population.

Other races will suffer similar fates.

If the galaxy decides they don't want the baby sitter any more, they'll have to kick us out, and they won't have the military power to do it since that will be tightly regulated. I will maintain the peace.

"I will lead an army that none will dare oppose. I will protect, defend, I will destroy those who threaten the future of the many.... And I will keep a watchful eye over the ones who live on." ... and I intend to keep it that way.

Exactly.  Dictatorship.  Control, for sure. 

[Arcadian Legend]

o Ventus wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
Well, it's kind of impossible for one's consciousness/ memories/ thoughts/ what have you, continue to exist without a platform (in this case, a body) to store them on.

And how does the machine that ControlShepard is have a soul?

Well he transferred all of that to a reaper via the space magic devices the crucible was hiding in the citadel's attic.

Last I checked, overloading your brain with electricity fries it, it doesn't "download" it to anything.

Did you miss the space magic?

[Inquisitor Recon]

Arcadian Legend wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
Last I checked, overloading your brain with electricity fries it, it doesn't "download" it to anything.

Did you miss the space magic?

^

Modifié par ReconTeam, 15 juillet 2012 - 02:10 .

[JDee3]

ReconTeam wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
Last I checked, overloading your brain with electricity fries it, it doesn't "download" it to anything.

Did you miss the space magic?

^

If they can combine synthetics and organics to make a new species.. then I think they could download Shepards brain.. he's already half synthetic anyways remember? and the Crucible is a very powerful device or whatever you wanna call it

Modifié par JDee3, 15 juillet 2012 - 02:16 .

[DRTJR]

The problem with Control is similar to keeping the collector base. Is it worth giving so much power to a single entity. While TIM is obviously not a Paragon of Virtue I doubt even Shepard will forever stay on the straight and narrow, for Example Batarians attack a human Colony so to ensure this doesn't happen again the Reapers destroy all Batarians.

[Arcadian Legend]

JDee3 wrote...

ReconTeam wrote...

Arcadian Legend wrote...

o Ventus wrote...
Last I checked, overloading your brain with electricity fries it, it doesn't "download" it to anything.

Did you miss the space magic?

^

If they can combine synthetics and organics to make a new species.. then I think they could download Shepards brain.. he's already half synthetic anyways remember? and the Crucible is a very powerful device or whatever you wanna call it

Well it's apparent purpose is as a Giant Mother******* Battery.

[JDee3]

The only good thing about the control ending that I thought at first was I could just become the reapers and go on some kind of suicide run into dark space.. but the EC made it seem like something way different then I thought it was originally. Damn you Bioware..

[ObserverStatus]

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Believe it or not, your brain is merely a collection of intricate natural clockwork, and the existence of your mind and identity are merely ideas. Whether or not Shepard exists after he has been turned into a fleet of reapers is a matter of how you define "Shepard"

It's not my own interpretation of anything. Shepard doesn't exist post-Control, kind of like how he doesn't exist post-Synthesis. At least in Control's case, there's a Catalyst AI built using Shepard's personality as a base.

But it is up to your interpretaion, whether or not Shepard exists post-control depends upon your definition of Shepard's existence.

[Arcadian Legend]

bobobo878 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Believe it or not, your brain is merely a collection of intricate natural clockwork, and the existence of your mind and identity are merely ideas. Whether or not Shepard exists after he has been turned into a fleet of reapers is a matter of how you define "Shepard"

It's not my own interpretation of anything. Shepard doesn't exist post-Control, kind of like how he doesn't exist post-Synthesis. At least in Control's case, there's a Catalyst AI built using Shepard's personality as a base.

But it is up to your interpretaion, whether or not Shepard exists post-control depends upon your definition of Shepard's existence.

BioWare said since the EC that the endings are up to our interpretations, so therefore the endings are up to our interpretations. (beyond what we see of course)

[JDee3]

bobobo878 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

Believe it or not, your brain is merely a collection of intricate natural clockwork, and the existence of your mind and identity are merely ideas. Whether or not Shepard exists after he has been turned into a fleet of reapers is a matter of how you define "Shepard"

It's not my own interpretation of anything. Shepard doesn't exist post-Control, kind of like how he doesn't exist post-Synthesis. At least in Control's case, there's a Catalyst AI built using Shepard's personality as a base.

But it is up to your interpretaion, whether or not Shepard exists post-control depends upon your definition of Shepard's existence.

Shepard no longer exist to me in this ending because when he speaks it is no longer him.. it is something that "learned" or whatever from him.. not him.. he is dead. It's kinda like TIM when he says Cerberus is an idea and will never die.. in that sense Shepard is an idea and will never die.. but he's dead lol make sense?

Modifié par JDee3, 15 juillet 2012 - 02:35 .

[ObserverStatus]

JDee3 wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
Believe it or not, your brain is merely a collection of intricate natural clockwork, and the existence of your mind and identity are merely ideas. Whether or not Shepard exists after he has been turned into a fleet of reapers is a matter of how you define "Shepard"

It's not my own interpretation of anything. Shepard doesn't exist post-Control, kind of like how he doesn't exist post-Synthesis. At least in Control's case, there's a Catalyst AI built using Shepard's personality as a base.

But it is up to your interpretaion, whether or not Shepard exists post-control depends upon your definition of Shepard's existence.

Shepard no longer exist to me in this ending because when he speaks it is no longer him.. it is something that "learned" or whatever from him.. not him.. he is dead. It's kinda like TIM when he says Cerberus is an idea and will never die.. in that sense Shepard is an idea and will never die.. but he's dead lol make sense?

Shepard said a lot of things without the aid of the dialogue wheel in ME3, I'm afraid.  There are times in the game when they interrupt the story of your Shepard in order to show you the story of Casey Hudson's Shepard, but my Shepard doesn't define his own existence the same way that Casey Hudson's Shepard defines his existence.

[MegaSovereign]

DRTJR wrote...

The problem with Control is similar to keeping the collector base. Is it worth giving so much power to a single entity. While TIM is obviously not a Paragon of Virtue I doubt even Shepard will forever stay on the straight and narrow, for Example Batarians attack a human Colony so to ensure this doesn't happen again the Reapers destroy all Batarians.

Well, you don't really need a reason to kill the Batarians.

[JDee3]

bobobo878 wrote...

JDee3 wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

bobobo878 wrote...
Believe it or not, your brain is merely a collection of intricate natural clockwork, and the existence of your mind and identity are merely ideas. Whether or not Shepard exists after he has been turned into a fleet of reapers is a matter of how you define "Shepard"

It's not my own interpretation of anything. Shepard doesn't exist post-Control, kind of like how he doesn't exist post-Synthesis. At least in Control's case, there's a Catalyst AI built using Shepard's personality as a base.

But it is up to your interpretaion, whether or not Shepard exists post-control depends upon your definition of Shepard's existence.

Shepard no longer exist to me in this ending because when he speaks it is no longer him.. it is something that "learned" or whatever from him.. not him.. he is dead. It's kinda like TIM when he says Cerberus is an idea and will never die.. in that sense Shepard is an idea and will never die.. but he's dead lol make sense?

Shepard said a lot of things without the aid of the dialogue wheel in ME3, I'm afraid.  There are times in the game when they interrupt the story of your Shepard in order to show you the story of Casey Hudson's Shepard, but my Shepard doesn't define his own existence the same way that Casey Hudson's Shepard defines his existence.

Lol so basically your Shepard never even made it into ME3? *Sigh* I guess all of our Shepard's died by the end then.. including Casey Hudson's

[ObserverStatus]

JDee3 wrote...
Lol so basically your Shepard never even made it into ME3? *Sigh* I guess all of our Shepard's died by the end then.. including Casey Hudson's

Yeah, pretty much.  Shepard died when Bioware forced him to lose his argument with Tela Vasir in LotSB.

[ObserverStatus]

DRTJR wrote...

The problem with Control is similar to keeping the collector base. Is it worth giving so much power to a single entity. While TIM is obviously not a Paragon of Virtue I doubt even Shepard will forever stay on the straight and narrow, for Example Batarians attack a human Colony so to ensure this doesn't happen again the Reapers destroy all Batarians.

Like I said, just because this would empower Shepard to commit attrocities, that doesn't necessarily mean it would make him want to.

[VoodooDrackus]

xsdob wrote...

I liked control, heavy risk...but the prize.

Also, I was against the illusive man getting control of the reapers because of what he'd do with them, I.E. kill everyone but the humans and rule them with an iron tenticle.

My paragon shepard uses the powers only when needed and never without consent.

EXACTLY.


Just because TIM was going to use control for a power trip and assert human dominance, doesn't mean that our full paragon Shepard would do the same.

[Phydeaux314]

I didn't blow up the collector base because I hated the idea of hanging on to the technology, I blew it up because I hated the idea of TIM hanging on to the technology. While there is definitely a concern that a society won't be ready for a new innovation - Mordin's objection - we manage well enough with the innovations that our society isn't ready for that WE discover.

Additionally, if it's such a huge problem... Shepard can always rebuild the relays, get things off on the right foot, and then abdicate via black hole.