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[Kyuhyun]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

She's not selling herself out by having sex... 

Of course she's not, I'm not saying that a women should be criticize just for the fact of having sex. Is the notion that your supporting  that a women who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous should not be criticized just because "Is her body". The audacity for you to say something like that is incredible. So under that logic, If I shoot someone, I shouldn't be criticized because "Is my body" Your arguments is full of Ad Hominem and fallacies, I'm done.

HOW CAN YOU EVEN COMPARE THOSE TWO THINGS? A woman is NOT hurting ANYBODY by having sex with people. It BAFFLES me that you would compare something so natural as having sex with MURDER like what is wrong with you oh my god. And the fact that you think having sex with a lot of people = having "loose sexual morals" is just wow. But yeah if a woman actually had issues and a sex addiction whatsoever and was careless she totally needs to get looked down upon and get insults thrown at her and have random men put her down because that's what you do with mentally ill people. You angel. Thank god we have people that think like this in todays society!!!!!

[Pitznik]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

She's not selling herself out by having sex... 

Of course she's not, I'm not saying that a women should be criticize just for the fact of having sex. Is the notion that your supporting  that a women who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous should not be criticized just because "Is her body". The audacity for you to say something like that is incredible. So under that logic, If I shoot someone, I shouldn't be criticized because "Is my body" Your arguments is full of Ad Hominem and fallacies, I'm done.

Worst analogy ever? If you shoot someone, it is most certainly his/her body...

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Pitznik wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

She's not selling herself out by having sex... 

Of course she's not, I'm not saying that a women should be criticize just for the fact of having sex. Is the notion that your supporting  that a women who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous should not be criticized just because "Is her body". The audacity for you to say something like that is incredible. So under that logic, If I shoot someone, I shouldn't be criticized because "Is my body" Your arguments is full of Ad Hominem and fallacies, I'm done.

Worst analogy ever? If you shoot someone, it is most certainly his/her body...

I don't know what your trying to point out and yes I know it wasn't the best analogy but you get the point. She's trying to justify something by saying "It's her body" but with that logic, almost everything can be justified. Using that argument is just acting obtuse.

[Pitznik]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

She's not selling herself out by having sex... 

Of course she's not, I'm not saying that a women should be criticize just for the fact of having sex. Is the notion that your supporting  that a women who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous should not be criticized just because "Is her body". The audacity for you to say something like that is incredible. So under that logic, If I shoot someone, I shouldn't be criticized because "Is my body" Your arguments is full of Ad Hominem and fallacies, I'm done.

Worst analogy ever? If you shoot someone, it is most certainly his/her body...

I don't know what your trying to point out and yes I know it wasn't the best analogy but you get the point. She's trying to justify something by saying "It's her body" but with that logic, almost everything can be justified. Using that argument is just acting obtuse.

No... the person has right to do with her own body whatever she wishes, but if you shoot someone, you're doing something with ANOTHER person's body. That is why your analogy is absolutely dreadful. How can you explain hurting another person and use "It's my body" as an explanation? You can't.

[Kyuhyun]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

She's not selling herself out by having sex... 

Of course she's not, I'm not saying that a women should be criticize just for the fact of having sex. Is the notion that your supporting  that a women who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous should not be criticized just because "Is her body". The audacity for you to say something like that is incredible. So under that logic, If I shoot someone, I shouldn't be criticized because "Is my body" Your arguments is full of Ad Hominem and fallacies, I'm done.

Worst analogy ever? If you shoot someone, it is most certainly his/her body...

I don't know what your trying to point out and yes I know it wasn't the best analogy but you get the point. She's trying to justify something by saying "It's her body" but with that logic, almost everything can be justified. Using that argument is just acting obtuse.

Actually there aren't many things that you can justify with that argument....but ok!!

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Kyuhyun wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

She's not selling herself out by having sex... 

Of course she's not, I'm not saying that a women should be criticize just for the fact of having sex. Is the notion that your supporting  that a women who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous should not be criticized just because "Is her body". The audacity for you to say something like that is incredible. So under that logic, If I shoot someone, I shouldn't be criticized because "Is my body" Your arguments is full of Ad Hominem and fallacies, I'm done.

HOW CAN YOU EVEN COMPARE THOSE TWO THINGS? A woman is NOT hurting ANYBODY by having sex with people. It BAFFLES me that you would compare something so natural as having sex with MURDER like what is wrong with you oh my god. And the fact that you think having sex with a lot of people = having "loose sexual morals" is just wow. But yeah if a woman actually had issues and a sex addiction whatsoever and was careless she totally needs to get looked down upon and get insults thrown at her and have random men put her down because that's what you do with mentally ill people. You angel. Thank god we have people that think like this in todays society!!!!!

Even thought it wasn't the best analogy, It was a rhetorical analogy to show how flawed your logic is, It wasn't meant to be taken seriously, And I said shoot somebody, I didn't imply murder in anyway, for all you know I could have implied it in an accidental way stop putting words in my mouth. And again you insist I'm supporting the insults, I'm simply stating that if you act in a loose way, people have a 100% right to look down upon you. And again, your excuse of "Is my body" is completely ludicrous,unintelligent, and witless, and is completely disgusting that you think that way.

Modifié par Khajiit Jzargo, 15 juillet 2012 - 02:36 .

[iamweaver]

Actually, Kyuhyun , I have no problems with folks who don't approve of a woman who has lots of gratuitous sex, as long as they disapprove of a man who does the same thing. It's not about where one's moral stance is re: casual sex - it's whether you have a double standard.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Pitznik wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

She's not selling herself out by having sex... 

Of course she's not, I'm not saying that a women should be criticize just for the fact of having sex. Is the notion that your supporting  that a women who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous should not be criticized just because "Is her body". The audacity for you to say something like that is incredible. So under that logic, If I shoot someone, I shouldn't be criticized because "Is my body" Your arguments is full of Ad Hominem and fallacies, I'm done.

Worst analogy ever? If you shoot someone, it is most certainly his/her body...

I don't know what your trying to point out and yes I know it wasn't the best analogy but you get the point. She's trying to justify something by saying "It's her body" but with that logic, almost everything can be justified. Using that argument is just acting obtuse.

No... the person has right to do with her own body whatever she wishes, but if you shoot someone, you're doing something with ANOTHER person's body. That is why your analogy is absolutely dreadful. How can you explain hurting another person and use "It's my body" as an explanation? You can't.

We're not talking about whether certain person has the right to do whatever he/she wants to do with their body, I do agree it's up to them. I was arguing whether they should be looked down upon, keep up and try again.

Also, since I see your whole argument consist of you using my flawed analogy, which is flawed-I do admit. Then let's say this, what if you give other people STD's because your so sexually loose, then you are affecting someone else's body.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Kyuhyun wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

She's not selling herself out by having sex... 

Of course she's not, I'm not saying that a women should be criticize just for the fact of having sex. Is the notion that your supporting  that a women who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous should not be criticized just because "Is her body". The audacity for you to say something like that is incredible. So under that logic, If I shoot someone, I shouldn't be criticized because "Is my body" Your arguments is full of Ad Hominem and fallacies, I'm done.

Worst analogy ever? If you shoot someone, it is most certainly his/her body...

I don't know what your trying to point out and yes I know it wasn't the best analogy but you get the point. She's trying to justify something by saying "It's her body" but with that logic, almost everything can be justified. Using that argument is just acting obtuse.

Actually there aren't many things that you can justify with that argument....but ok!!

nice Logical fallacy.

[Kyuhyun]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

She's not selling herself out by having sex... 

Of course she's not, I'm not saying that a women should be criticize just for the fact of having sex. Is the notion that your supporting  that a women who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous should not be criticized just because "Is her body". The audacity for you to say something like that is incredible. So under that logic, If I shoot someone, I shouldn't be criticized because "Is my body" Your arguments is full of Ad Hominem and fallacies, I'm done.

HOW CAN YOU EVEN COMPARE THOSE TWO THINGS? A woman is NOT hurting ANYBODY by having sex with people. It BAFFLES me that you would compare something so natural as having sex with MURDER like what is wrong with you oh my god. And the fact that you think having sex with a lot of people = having "loose sexual morals" is just wow. But yeah if a woman actually had issues and a sex addiction whatsoever and was careless she totally needs to get looked down upon and get insults thrown at her and have random men put her down because that's what you do with mentally ill people. You angel. Thank god we have people that think like this in todays society!!!!!

Even thought it wasn't the best analogy, It was a rhetorical analogy to show how flawed your logic is, It wasn't meant to be taken seriously, And I said shoot somebody, I didn't imply murder in anyway, for all you know I could have implied it in an accidental way stop putting words in my mouth. And again you insist I'm supporting the insults, I'm simply stating that if you act in a loose way, people have a 100% right to look down upon you. And again, you excuse of "Is my body" is completely ludicrous,unintelligent, and witless, and is completely disgusting that you think that way.

You bring an argument that's logically flawed in every way to show how logically flawed MY argument was? Makes sense....
And you're just nit picking and reaching now to try to make me look stupid which is just ridiculous. And no people just don't have the right to do that. Why do people think that like i geniuenly don't get it. They don't put anyone in danger with what they're doing so WHY do you care? Don't tell me you care about the womans well being because you absolutely don't youre just trying to justify your sl*t shaming right now. Right how dare i think that using my body the way i want and do natural things like having sex with it is OK like god i'm so disgusting i should be ashamed of myself.

[Funkdrspot]

iamweaver wrote...

Actually, Kyuhyun , I have no problems with folks who don't approve of a woman who has lots of gratuitous sex, as long as they disapprove of a man who does the same thing. It's not about where one's moral stance is re: casual sex - it's whether you have a double standard.

these are gender roles which are predetermined by both physiology and culture. its not a double standard, it just is simply the way nature intended it. 

[What a Succulent Ass]

Funkdrspot wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

Actually, Kyuhyun , I have no problems with folks who don't approve of a woman who has lots of gratuitous sex, as long as they disapprove of a man who does the same thing. It's not about where one's moral stance is re: casual sex - it's whether you have a double standard.

these are gender roles which are predetermined by both physiology and culture. its not a double standard, it just is simply the way nature intended it. 

And so the perversion of evolutionary biology continues.

[Pitznik]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

She's not selling herself out by having sex... 

Of course she's not, I'm not saying that a women should be criticize just for the fact of having sex. Is the notion that your supporting  that a women who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous should not be criticized just because "Is her body". The audacity for you to say something like that is incredible. So under that logic, If I shoot someone, I shouldn't be criticized because "Is my body" Your arguments is full of Ad Hominem and fallacies, I'm done.

Worst analogy ever? If you shoot someone, it is most certainly his/her body...

I don't know what your trying to point out and yes I know it wasn't the best analogy but you get the point. She's trying to justify something by saying "It's her body" but with that logic, almost everything can be justified. Using that argument is just acting obtuse.

No... the person has right to do with her own body whatever she wishes, but if you shoot someone, you're doing something with ANOTHER person's body. That is why your analogy is absolutely dreadful. How can you explain hurting another person and use "It's my body" as an explanation? You can't.

We're not talking about whether certain person has the right to do whatever he/she wants to do with their body, I do agree it's up to them. I was arguing whether they should be looked down upon, keep up and try again.

Also, since I see your whole argument consist of you using my flawed analogy, which is flawed-I do admit. Then let's say this, what if you give other people STD's because your so sexually loose, then you are affecting someone else's body.

That's however completely different case. While sexual promiscuity can be and often is related to STDs, unwanted pregnancy and cheating in relationships, it doesn't have to be. While all those things are a good reason to look down upon someone, the sexual promiscuity alone is not, outside of some views dictated by religious and social moral codexes, which are not universally shared by everyone. When we discuss ethics in simplest form ie do not treat other people in a way you wouldn't like be treated yourself, sexual promiscuity is not wrong, because it doesn't hurt anyone.

[Peranor]

Random Jerkface wrote...

Funkdrspot wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

Actually, Kyuhyun , I have no problems with folks who don't approve of a woman who has lots of gratuitous sex, as long as they disapprove of a man who does the same thing. It's not about where one's moral stance is re: casual sex - it's whether you have a double standard.

these are gender roles which are predetermined by both physiology and culture. its not a double standard, it just is simply the way nature intended it. 

And so the perversion of evolutionary biology continues.

Synthesis?

[iamweaver]

Funkdrspot wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

Actually, Kyuhyun , I have no problems with folks who don't approve of a woman who has lots of gratuitous sex, as long as they disapprove of a man who does the same thing. It's not about where one's moral stance is re: casual sex - it's whether you have a double standard.

these are gender roles which are predetermined by both physiology and culture. its not a double standard, it just is simply the way nature intended it. 

HI, Mr. Troll.  Hope you're having a good day.  I am!

[shurikenmanta]

Holy ****.

Only on the BSN could a comment about a character hiding from an organisation turn into a quibble over 19th Century values.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Kyuhyun wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

She's not selling herself out by having sex... 

Of course she's not, I'm not saying that a women should be criticize just for the fact of having sex. Is the notion that your supporting  that a women who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous should not be criticized just because "Is her body". The audacity for you to say something like that is incredible. So under that logic, If I shoot someone, I shouldn't be criticized because "Is my body" Your arguments is full of Ad Hominem and fallacies, I'm done.

HOW CAN YOU EVEN COMPARE THOSE TWO THINGS? A woman is NOT hurting ANYBODY by having sex with people. It BAFFLES me that you would compare something so natural as having sex with MURDER like what is wrong with you oh my god. And the fact that you think having sex with a lot of people = having "loose sexual morals" is just wow. But yeah if a woman actually had issues and a sex addiction whatsoever and was careless she totally needs to get looked down upon and get insults thrown at her and have random men put her down because that's what you do with mentally ill people. You angel. Thank god we have people that think like this in todays society!!!!!

Even thought it wasn't the best analogy, It was a rhetorical analogy to show how flawed your logic is, It wasn't meant to be taken seriously, And I said shoot somebody, I didn't imply murder in anyway, for all you know I could have implied it in an accidental way stop putting words in my mouth. And again you insist I'm supporting the insults, I'm simply stating that if you act in a loose way, people have a 100% right to look down upon you. And again, you excuse of "Is my body" is completely ludicrous,unintelligent, and witless, and is completely disgusting that you think that way.

You bring an argument that's logically flawed in every way to show how logically flawed MY argument was? Makes sense....
And you're just nit picking and reaching now to try to make me look stupid which is just ridiculous. And no people just don't have the right to do that. Why do people think that like i geniuenly don't get it. They don't put anyone in danger with what they're doing so WHY do you care? Don't tell me you care about the womans well being because you absolutely don't youre just trying to justify your sl*t shaming right now. Right how dare i think that using my body the way i want and do natural things like having sex with it is OK like god i'm so disgusting i should be ashamed of myself.

So many wrong this with this argument so I'm going to point them out one by one.

1-@bold-If you make a claim with no sort of evidence to back it up, it's completely invalidate it. 

2-@Italic-Actually you do, if you have a disease like STD which loose women tend to get, yeah, you do put people in danger.

3-@Underline- No, It's okay to have sex. But if you are sexually loose and are  sexually promiscous don't be surprised to be looked down upon.

Also I'm not nit picking anything, I'm answering your question as a whole, and my analogy isn't as flawed as you think. go back to 2 and read, you can put people in danger.

[Pitznik]

Funkdrspot wrote...

iamweaver wrote...

Actually, Kyuhyun , I have no problems with folks who don't approve of a woman who has lots of gratuitous sex, as long as they disapprove of a man who does the same thing. It's not about where one's moral stance is re: casual sex - it's whether you have a double standard.

these are gender roles which are predetermined by both physiology and culture. its not a double standard, it just is simply the way nature intended it. 

Nature doesn't support either sex being more or less promiscuous. It is all culture - and culture is full of double standards.

[Khajiit Jzargo]

Pitznik wrote...

That's however completely different case. While sexual promiscuity can be and often is related to STDs, unwanted pregnancy and cheating in relationships, it doesn't have to be. While all those things are a good reason to look down upon someone, the sexual promiscuity alone is not, outside of some views dictated by religious and social moral codexes, which are not universally shared by everyone. When we discuss ethics in simplest form ie do not treat other people in a way you wouldn't like be treated yourself, sexual promiscuity is not wrong, because it doesn't hurt anyone.

I already admitted to the analogy being flawed. But it's still morally and ethically wrong, hence the reason why everyone looks down upon it.

[What a Succulent Ass]

anorling wrote...

Synthesis?

+10000000

[Funkdrspot]

shurikenmanta wrote...

Holy ****.

Only on the BSN could a comment about a character hiding from an organisation turn into a quibble over 19th Century values.

what else would you expect from a nerd forum that overanalyzes everything and tries to find plotholes from Shepard's switching from coke to pepsi

[What a Succulent Ass]

Shepard drinks Tupari, b*tch. Get it straight.

[Pitznik]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Pitznik wrote...

That's however completely different case. While sexual promiscuity can be and often is related to STDs, unwanted pregnancy and cheating in relationships, it doesn't have to be. While all those things are a good reason to look down upon someone, the sexual promiscuity alone is not, outside of some views dictated by religious and social moral codexes, which are not universally shared by everyone. When we discuss ethics in simplest form ie do not treat other people in a way you wouldn't like be treated yourself, sexual promiscuity is not wrong, because it doesn't hurt anyone.

I already admitted to the analogy being flawed. But it's still morally and ethically wrong, hence the reason why everyone looks down upon it.

Depends on your moral code. But when we look at the most basic ethical principle, about not hurting other people, it is not wrong.

[Kyuhyun]

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

Khajiit Jzargo wrote...

Kyuhyun wrote...

She's not selling herself out by having sex... 

Of course she's not, I'm not saying that a women should be criticize just for the fact of having sex. Is the notion that your supporting  that a women who is considered to have loose sexual morals or who is sexually promiscuous should not be criticized just because "Is her body". The audacity for you to say something like that is incredible. So under that logic, If I shoot someone, I shouldn't be criticized because "Is my body" Your arguments is full of Ad Hominem and fallacies, I'm done.

HOW CAN YOU EVEN COMPARE THOSE TWO THINGS? A woman is NOT hurting ANYBODY by having sex with people. It BAFFLES me that you would compare something so natural as having sex with MURDER like what is wrong with you oh my god. And the fact that you think having sex with a lot of people = having "loose sexual morals" is just wow. But yeah if a woman actually had issues and a sex addiction whatsoever and was careless she totally needs to get looked down upon and get insults thrown at her and have random men put her down because that's what you do with mentally ill people. You angel. Thank god we have people that think like this in todays society!!!!!

Even thought it wasn't the best analogy, It was a rhetorical analogy to show how flawed your logic is, It wasn't meant to be taken seriously, And I said shoot somebody, I didn't imply murder in anyway, for all you know I could have implied it in an accidental way stop putting words in my mouth. And again you insist I'm supporting the insults, I'm simply stating that if you act in a loose way, people have a 100% right to look down upon you. And again, you excuse of "Is my body" is completely ludicrous,unintelligent, and witless, and is completely disgusting that you think that way.

You bring an argument that's logically flawed in every way to show how logically flawed MY argument was? Makes sense....
And you're just nit picking and reaching now to try to make me look stupid which is just ridiculous. And no people just don't have the right to do that. Why do people think that like i geniuenly don't get it. They don't put anyone in danger with what they're doing so WHY do you care? Don't tell me you care about the womans well being because you absolutely don't youre just trying to justify your sl*t shaming right now. Right how dare i think that using my body the way i want and do natural things like having sex with it is OK like god i'm so disgusting i should be ashamed of myself.

So many wrong this with this argument so I'm going to point them out one by one.

1-@bold-If you make a claim with no sort of evidence to back it up, it's completely invalidate it. 

2-@Italic-Actually you do, if you have a disease like STD which loose women tend to get, yeah, you do put people in danger.

3-@Underline- No, It's okay to have sex. But if you are sexually loose and are  sexually promiscous don't be surprised to be looked down upon.

Also I'm not nit picking anything, I'm answering your question as a whole, and my analogy isn't as flawed as you think. go back to 2 and read, you can put people in danger.

What evidence? That it's morally wrong to be sexist and misogyinstic? Sorry i didn't know i had to back that up with evidence i thought every human being with a little bit empathy in them knew it wasn't right.

2. Forwarding you to Pitzniks post he explained it quite well


3. Actually i'm not surprised that people STILL, in 2012, look down upon women for having a lot of sex. I'm just telling you it's not right to look down upon them.

Last one again Pitzniks post.

[CHALET]

>Runs from her father.
>Doesn't change her name.

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