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[o Ventus]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Yet you just contradicted Thane's entire character based on your opinion and Bioware stuck to his characterization.

wut

Thane HIMSELF says he is no longer resigned to death.

Facts, you do not have them.

[Tashash]

Oh, it's that time again?

*Sigh*
Hello again Blueprotoss, and what do you have for us today?

[Blueprotoss]

o Ventus wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Yet you just contradicted Thane's entire character based on your opinion and Bioware stuck to his characterization.

wut

Thane HIMSELF says he is no longer resigned to death.

Facts, you do not have them.

I see you missed what Saberchic said since everyone has a time of weakness and Thane stuck to his beliefs.

Ghost1017 wrote...

I'm just stating facts whether or not you want to listen to them is your choice.

Agreed because its annoying when people resort to their opinions as facts, which happens to some of the Thane supporters. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 juillet 2012 - 04:46 .

[spamhead80]

Fact: Blueprotoss is the most adorable troll in this thread.
Opinion: Thane totally wants to die, full time, all of the time, no matter what. If Kai Leng hadn't killed him, he would have offed himself before the end of ME3.

[RShara]

He was sorta passive aggressively seeking death in his ME2 intro, yeah. But he got slapped into sense by Shepard

[spamhead80]

Look, Shara, I was going through ME3 dialogue (counting lines to compare between Male Shep's LI and Fem Shep's LI) and I totally found a hidden set of dialogue where Thane tries to beg Chakwas to smother him in his sleep with a pillow. Blueprotoss is totally on to something.

Modifié par spamhead80, 17 juillet 2012 - 04:57 .

[RShara]

*dies*

[karushna5]

spamhead80 wrote...

Fact: Blueprotoss is the most adorable troll in this thread.
Opinion: Thane totally wants to die, full time, all of the time, no matter what. If Kai Leng hadn't killed him, he would have offed himself before the end of ME3.

Fact: I read the past few threads...and I am convinced. Thanes romance should have done better. We should have helped him in the fight. There was no need of a miracle drug, and options rock. Also, there should have been more dialogue. You are being condescending and as far as I can tell calling someone a troll while he is stating an arguement with mostly reasons is far more rude than a single thing he has done.

Opinion: I still think that accepting his death is something in character and not accepting it would be out of character. Shepard helped him get over the fear of dying, she didn't encourage it that night. He doesn't rail against his fate. He is calm collected and everything he should be while dying.

[o Ventus]

karushna5 wrote...

Fact: I read the past few threads...and I am convinced. Thanes romance should have done better. We should have helped him in the fight. There was no need of a miracle drug, and options rock. Also, there should have been more dialogue. You are being condescending and as far as I can tell calling someone a troll while he is stating an arguement with mostly reasons is far more rude than a single thing he has done.

No, Blueprotoss is a definite troll.

Almost all of (if not all of) his "reasons" are either taken wildly out of context or simply made up.

[RShara]

Karushna, I respect your opinion.

I think that IF they had actually had some dialogue with Thane explaining WHY he has gone back to being indifferent about his coming demise, then it would make sense. As it is, to many of us, it seems to come out of no where and be inexplicable character reversal.

Seriously, the romance scene, and the LotSB show how much he wants to continue to live. Even IF he had made peace with his death by that point, SHOW it, don't TELL it. And imo, even people who are resigned to death don't say that they have absolutely no qualms about dying.

[karushna5]

Wanting to live and ready to die can exist together.

And no calling him a troll is uncalled for. Most of the reasons here are not much better, some are amazing and changed my mind but spamhead's has not been and has no room to judge. He is giving them and they are his opinion and he argues because he cares. Nothing he has done is remotely troll like other than disagree with you and thinking some reasons are valid which you don't. Thus an argument. Not everyone agrees at the end. That is how it works

[RShara]

Sorrybut  he's been slyly insulting people and making completely bizarre and passive aggressive posts for days. It's getting tiring.

not to mention trying to force his opinion (not fact) on everyone, as fact, and being very inaccurate in many of his postings.

If he were polite, as you are being, there wouldn't have been a problem.

Modifié par RShara, 17 juillet 2012 - 05:24 .

[karushna5]

I understand that. No ones perfect, but most people respond in kind. Being attacked can make one go on attack.Both sides are doing the slyly insulting passive aggressive thing but only one side is being called a troll. Not best arguments, but no one is being a troll. Too many people throw slanders when they are offended or defensive.

Thank you for thinking me polite I try really hard at it.

As for Thane. I lurk a lot and I have to say I agree. Thane deserves better. I feel that Jacob did as well. At the very least a better death. But him living would have been great too. Bioware was rushed. You could tell. Some characters they did better than others. Garrus was amazing. Thane I feel was written well, but not enough to him. There should have been more of some kind.

[spamhead80]

Actually, I'm pretty free to judge however I'd like, karushna5. Blueprotoss has been busily avoiding addressing any actual arguments and simply states the same thing over and over again. It's the written equivalent of sticking your fingers in your ears and yelling "I can't hear you, I can't hear you, nah-nah-nah-nah-nah". I'm not making any arguments to the contrary because it's 1) useless to argue with trolls and 2) valid arguments have already been made in this thread. Conversely, I wouldn't call you a troll because you are contributing thoughtful content to this discussion, even if you are calling me rude while doing it .

[RShara]

Oh trust me, we are generally on the defensive, not on the offensive. And people misquoting, and misrepresenting what we're saying is realllllllly ****** worthy. I consider deliberate falsehood and blind, deliberate ignorance to be trollish behavior.

[spamhead80]

Check out Blueprotoss's post history, where he politely calls someone a jackass in the Mass Effect anime thread. I can only hope to achieve that level of delirious posting someday.

[Blueprotoss]

spamhead80 wrote...

Fact: Blueprotoss is the most adorable troll in this thread.

I seeing more and more people using words differently then their definitions, which "troll" is still a good example of that abuse.

spamhead80 wrote...

Check out Blueprotoss's post history, where he politely calls someone a jackass in the Mass Effect anime thread. I can only hope to achieve that level of delirious posting someday.

I see that you're starting to be what you dislike based on how you're insulting people and being way off-topic. 

spamhead80 wrote... 

Opinion: Thane totally wants to die, full time, all of the time, no matter what. If Kai Leng hadn't killed him, he would have offed himself before the end of ME3.

Maybe or maybe not while Thane might be a sepeku or hiri-kiri man.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 juillet 2012 - 06:06 .

[karushna5]

I see no deliberate falsehood, and being willfully ignorant seems a nice way to say, he won't agree with us and see our arguments, so he must be not agreeing just to annoy us which is a horrible way to go into an argument.

Yes, him saying that is horrible. In this thread he did not.I can't judge him by that

And everyone skips points that make a good argument it has happened to me for years. It is what people do, because they want to be angry, because they are being attacked.And people generally have a hard time saying that makes sense, it is a hard lesson to learn. For everyone.

But I don't mean to cause trouble, and I believe we are delving into territory where this excellent thread may be locked. But remember calling someone a troll is still name calling and against the rules because it is rude regardless of whether it is deserved and shows the person who uses such tactics is trying to insult or make fun of rather than use good arguments or reason. 2 wrongs don't make a right, and bullying the bully just makes a new bully.

[Blueprotoss]

karushna5 wrote...

I see no deliberate falsehood, and being willfully ignorant seems a nice way to say, he won't agree with us and see our arguments, so he must be not agreeing just to annoy us which is a horrible way to go into an argument.

Yes, him saying that is horrible. In this thread he did not.I can't judge him by that

And everyone skips points that make a good argument it has happened to me for years. It is what people do, because they want to be angry, because they are being attacked.And people generally have a hard time saying that makes sense, it is a hard lesson to learn. For everyone.

But I don't mean to cause trouble, and I believe we are delving into territory where this excellent thread may be locked. But remember calling someone a troll is still name calling and against the rules because it is rude regardless of whether it is deserved and shows the person who uses such tactics is trying to insult or make fun of rather than use good arguments or reason. 2 wrongs don't make a right, and bullying the bully just makes a new bully.

This is very true and I thank you for the back up.  I wished a lot more people wanted to have a debate based on facts and/or opinions instead of useless arguements based on opinions.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 juillet 2012 - 06:13 .

[spamhead80]

Blueprotoss wrote...

spamhead80 wrote...

Fact: Blueprotoss is the most adorable troll in this thread.

I seeing more and more people using words differently then their definitions, which "troll" is still a good example of that abuse.

spamhead80 wrote...

Check out Blueprotoss's post history, where he politely calls someone a jackass in the Mass Effect anime thread. I can only hope to achieve that level of delirious posting someday.

I see that you're starting to be what you dislike based on how you're insulting people and being way off-topic. 

spamhead80 wrote... 

Opinion: Thane totally wants to die, full time, all of the time, no matter what. If Kai Leng hadn't killed him, he would have offed himself before the end of ME3.

Maybe or maybe not while Thane might be a sepeku or hiri-kiri man.

Thane is far too classy for that kind of messy stuff. He'd go out stylishly, probably while fighting an epic ninja in a poorly choreographed fight scene.

[Blueprotoss]

spamhead80 wrote...

Thane is far too classy for that kind of messy stuff. He'd go out stylishly, probably while fighting an epic ninja in a poorly choreographed fight scene.

He could of had a better death but at least he died to Kei Lang instead of a random enemy or a useless Cerberus minion.  Thane would have made Wesker proud if he told one of Wesker's protein shakes.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 juillet 2012 - 06:18 .

[karushna5]

Blueprotoss wrote...

This is very true and I thank you for the back up.  I wished a lot more people wanted to have a debate based on facts and/or opinions instead of useless arguements based on opinions.

Happy to help

Actually I disagree. When it comes to a character's death and whether people felt it was in character, worthy of him, a good romance. There really are no facts. Just opinions on the most part. No facts can be put on quality. There are things that can back up your opinion on quality but very little facts.

I feel Thane was prepared for death. After this I believe that there could have done more to do for Thane to give more umph to his role in ME3. It is my opinion that it should have been a really tough option to save him not just by romancers.

And there is alot of evidence for all of that but at the end of the day you can't possibly prove it.

[Blueprotoss]

karushna5 wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

This is very true and I thank you for the back up.  I wished a lot more people wanted to have a debate based on facts and/or opinions instead of useless arguements based on opinions.

Happy to help

Actually I disagree. When it comes to a character's death and whether people felt it was in character, worthy of him, a good romance. There really are no facts. Just opinions on the most part. No facts can be put on quality. There are things that can back up your opinion on quality but very little facts.

I feel Thane was prepared for death. After this I believe that there could have done more to do for Thane to give more umph to his role in ME3. It is my opinion that it should have been a really tough option to save him not just by romancers.

And there is alot of evidence for all of that but at the end of the day you can't possibly prove it.
 

Agreed.  You can prove most of that with facts, but at the end of the day writing quality is opinion based.  Either way its fun to actually have a basic debate without forceful opinions being thrown around.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 17 juillet 2012 - 06:46 .

[karushna5]

No, I have to disagree, you can't prove opinions and how we feel on whether his death was good, bad, worthy, and is worth money and time is not proveable. There are no facts. I bet someone out there hates Garrus and thinks someone should have spent more time on him, can't see why, but it is an opinion that can be neither proven nor disproven.

There are no facts to prove. Even the writers would admit that I think.

But yes you can still have a great debate based on what you know and think makes sense to maybe lend your view to another. Debate works. Whether opinions or facts.

But you don't think he should have not at least said no one will mourn me? Or at least a dying kiss at the end?

Modifié par karushna5, 17 juillet 2012 - 07:01 .