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[AresKeith]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

The same could be said for his development in the romance arc (very different to brothane’s). Why have him FEAR death and be AFRAID of dying if he’s going to die no matter what in 3??? How cruel and bizarre. Didn’t the character change matter? It renders the romance arc in ME2 pointless. Why have a character undergo such a significant change in attitude and not expand on that change in the sequel? The central arc around a romanced thane is to wake him up again, to make him want to live for something again . We think THAT should have mattered.

another reason why ME3 made player's choice not matter

[Bluecansam]

Blueprotoss wrote...

An example of semantics is complaining about an alteration in the script about a "cure" for Thane.

Nope. Still using it wrong. That has nothing to do with the meaning of words. I suggest you stop using this word.

If you really knew that Bioware owns ME then you wouldn't be making such demands with just one ME2 character and you shouldnt contradict yourself on the EC since it was in production before ME3's launch.  The point is that there's room for contructive feedback like how the Lair of the Shadow Broker did with Liara and Project  Overlord did with the Hammerhead.  Another point is that ME3 hasn't shown its potentional just like how ME1 and ME2 before their amounts of SP DLC add-ons.

Um, unless you have proof that the EC was in development before ME3 even came out, I call BS. Companies do not waste money making 2 sets of endings just for the heck of it. Also, do you not know the meaning of "constructive feedback" as well? I disapprove of the quality and content of Thane's story. I give clear reasons why the quality and content is poor. I offer alternatives to that story. Which you would know, if you read my essay.

[Bluecansam]

Ghost1017 wrote...

Bluecansam wrote...

In what way is it "all about semantics", then?

Also, of course BW owns Mass Effect. That's why we're asking them for a change to the game. Otherwise I'd do it myself. They expanded the ending, so they're willing to make changes to the game. So, what's your point?

I believe EA owns the IP.

Well, yes, but what I meant was that the story is theirs and they do what they collectively want with it. 

[earendil87]

krukow wrote...

o Ventus wrote...

krukow wrote...

I don't know, doesn't that invalidate his entire character arc? Last minute reconciliaton with his son? HAHA, no, he had years to do that! Attempting to atone for his past. PShaw, it's not like he's going anywhere...

I get why lots of Thane fans want him to survive (I would be pretty angry if Ashley had to die, instead of just being allowed to die every ten minutes), but from an overall character arc, I just think it would diminish his gravitas.

My two cents.

How would potentially curing or treating Thane invaldiate his character arc?

Because none of that stuff really mattered.  It wasn't important that he resolve these things before he dies.  Because he won't be dying for a long, long time.

I mean, I wouldn't have been opposed if there'd been a way to cure him.  Heck, he's one of my favorite squaddies, so I'm sure I'd have done it in every playthrough.  I just think his impending mortality adds an extra weight to the things he does.

He did what he did when he thought he was going to die. The fact that he survided doesn't invalidate what he did. Just picture this situation: the doctor tells you that you'll be dead in a year, what would you do? lots of things probably, enjoy life being with family, friends, trips around the world...whatever. What if after all that he tells you that you're cured? does that mean that you lost a year of your life? on the contrary, it gave you a year to do all the things you wouldn't have done otherwise, to fix everything in your life and then a lifetime to enjoy it.

[Bluecansam]

krukow wrote...

Well, there's a difference between being wrong in how long someone has to live, and being wrong about what disease they have(cancer patients outlive their prognosis all the time, it doesn't mean they don't have cancer).  And literally, his first or second line after you meet him is that he's dying, so I don't think it's just for the sake of drama.

It was just such a central part of his character in the second game that changing it now seems to me to be more a move for fanservice, and less a natural progression of his arc.

Just my two cents though, people are allowed to disagree with me.

You can still consider yourself to be "dying" even though there are treatments you can try. Cancer patients, for instance, have a terminal disease, and can certainly consider themselves to be dying. There are, however, treatments they can try to treat the cancer and prolong their lives that way. There is no cure, but there are ways to survive a terminal illness. And you don't need space magic or fanservice for any of that.

[Blueprotoss]

 

AresKeith wrote...

where's your proof that it was in production before ME3's launch?

Bioware wouldn't have mentioned the EC so quickly after the small uproar then and you seemed to miss Martin Sheen's quote at the end of the ME3 voice actor trailer. 

LanceSolous13 wrote...

Is there honestly a way to get a mod to clear the troll out of here? It's giving me a headache.

Yet you're the one acting like a "troll" based on how you insult people that don't agree with you and how you try to railro.d the topic with those same insults, which is really ironic.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 juillet 2012 - 02:35 .

[Blueprotoss]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

The same could be said for his development in the romance arc (very different to brothane’s). Why have him FEAR death and be AFRAID of dying if he’s going to die no matter what in 3??? How cruel and bizarre. Didn’t the character change matter? It renders the romance arc in ME2 pointless. Why have a character undergo such a significant change in attitude and not expand on that change in the sequel? The central arc around a romanced thane is to wake him up again, to make him want to live for something again . We think THAT should have mattered.

Yet the don't know if a "cure" could work at the late stages of Kepral whether its near the end of ME2 or the beginning of ME3.  Btw if Kolyant couldn't change his mind on accepting death then no type of Shepard would change his mind.

AresKeith wrote...

another reason why ME3 made player's choice not matter

Thats a straw-mann especialy when ME3 didn't remove any choices and there was never a "cure" revealed while lung transplants don't matter based on how Kepral mainly focuses on the red blood cells. 

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 juillet 2012 - 02:41 .

[Blueprotoss]

Ghost1017 wrote...

Bluecansam wrote...

In what way is it "all about semantics", then?

Also, of course BW owns Mass Effect. That's why we're asking them for a change to the game. Otherwise I'd do it myself. They expanded the ending, so they're willing to make changes to the game. So, what's your point?

I believe EA owns the IP.

EA owns Bioware just ike Microsoft owned Bungie but so far EA only owns the Publishing rights for ME other then ME1.

[Blueprotoss]

Bluecansam wrote...

Nope. Still using it wrong. That has nothing to do with the meaning of words. I suggest you stop using this word.

Maybe you should practice what you preach based on how you dont know what the word semantic means just like the multitude of the other abused words.  Again an example of semantics is complaining about an alteration in the script about a "cure" for Thane. 

Bluecansam wrote... 

Um, unless you have proof that the EC was in development before ME3 even came out, I call BS. Companies do not waste money making 2 sets of endings just for the heck of it. Also, do you not know the meaning of "constructive feedback" as well? I disapprove of the quality and content of Thane's story. I give clear reasons why the quality and content is poor. I offer alternatives to that story. Which you would know, if you read my essay.

Bioware wouldn't have mentioned the EC so quickly after the small uproar then and you seemed to miss Martin Sheen's quote at the end of the ME3 voice actor trailer.  I see that you don't know the meaning of 
"constructive feedback" based on the lack of polietness or respect for Bioware doing what they want with their own Intellectual Property aka IP.  Writing is subjective just like quality and its useless to raise the pitch forks for something so meaningless and I'm pretty sure Thane's voice actor would be embarassed by the immaturity here.

[Bluecansam]

I'm not insulting you. If you don't know what these things mean, you don't know what they mean. All the more reason to educate yourself and find out what they do mean so you can use them properly in the future.

And where have I been impolite or disrespectful? I'm critical of BioWare, but I'm a fan. Just cuz I don't think they fart rainbows doesn't mean I don't appreciate most of the work they do.

Keythe Farley is quite proud of us, actually. He's very appreciative of the effort.

[Blueprotoss]

Bluecansam wrote...

I'm not insulting you. If you don't know what these things mean, you don't know what they mean. All the more reason to educate yourself and find out what they do mean so you can use them properly in the future. 

I know you didn't insult me, which is why I didn't bring that up, but I see you're doing the opposite now.

Bluecansam wrote... 


And where have I been impolite or disrespectful? I'm critical of BioWare, but I'm a fan. Just cuz I don't think they fart rainbows doesn't mean I don't appreciate most of the work they do. 

There's a difference between deconstructive and contructive.

Bluecansam wrote...

Keythe Farley is quite proud of us, actually. He's very appreciative of the effort.

Yet you don't know this based on your assumptions and I also doubt he doesn't browse around the different forums just like any of the other voice actors.

Modifié par Blueprotoss, 31 juillet 2012 - 03:18 .

[Emeraldfern]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Blucansam wrotw...

Keythe Farley is quite proud of us, actually. He's very appreciative of the effort.

Yet you don't know this based on your assumptions and I also doubt he doesn't browse around the different forums just like any of the other voice actors.

Well look at what we have here?
http://www.facebook....os/297223869474


Check out what he posted on June 22:nd.

[Edit] Quote fail.

Modifié par Emeraldfern, 31 juillet 2012 - 03:23 .

[Bluecansam]

"Deconstructive criticism" isn't actually a thing, but okay, enlighten me. What's the difference between deconstructive criticism and constructive criticism?

[AresKeith]

[quote]Blueprotoss wrote...

[quote]AresKeith wrote...

where's your proof that it was in production before ME3's launch?[/quote]Bioware wouldn't have mentioned the EC so quickly after the small uproar then and you seemed to miss Martin Sheen's quote at the end of the ME3 voice actor trailer. 

[quote]


 um you do know that he meant the other DLCs right, and the "cure" for Thane has been mentioned before so watch how throw words at people

Modifié par AresKeith, 31 juillet 2012 - 03:30 .

[Blueprotoss]

Emeraldfern wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Blucansam wrotw...

Keythe Farley is quite proud of us, actually. He's very appreciative of the effort.

Yet you don't know this based on your assumptions and I also doubt he doesn't browse around the different forums just like any of the other voice actors.

Well look at what we have here?
http://www.facebook....os/297223869474


Check out what he posted on June 22:nd.

[Edit] Quote fail.

Yet there is no June 22rd while there's a 21st on Second Life and a 23rd on the Extended Cut.  Either that post on June 22nd tells us a different story based on the date.

[Blueprotoss]

Bluecansam wrote...

"Deconstructive criticism" isn't actually a thing, but okay, enlighten me. What's the difference between deconstructive criticism and constructive criticism?

Yet there is always negative and positive like how there's always a light and shadow or a yin and yang.

[Blueprotoss]

AresKeith wrote...

 um you do know that he meant the other DLCs right, and the "cure" for Thane has been mentioned before so watch how throw words at people

If there was a "cure' then it wold have been mentioned in the games not from a script that had cut content. If you really want to practice what you preach then you should watch how throw words at people.

[Emeraldfern]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Emeraldfern wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Blucansam wrotw...

Keythe Farley is quite proud of us, actually. He's very appreciative of the effort.

Yet you don't know this based on your assumptions and I also doubt he doesn't browse around the different forums just like any of the other voice actors.

Well look at what we have here?
http://www.facebook....os/297223869474


Check out what he posted on June 22:nd.

[Edit] Quote fail.

Yet there is no June 22rd while there's a 21st on Second Life and a 23rd on the Extended Cut.  Either that post on June 22nd tells us a different story based on the date.

June 22

[Bluecansam]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Bluecansam wrote...

"Deconstructive criticism" isn't actually a thing, but okay, enlighten me. What's the difference between deconstructive criticism and constructive criticism?

Yet there is always negative and positive like how there's always a light and shadow or a yin and yang.

That doesn't answer my question. Use examples, if you'd like.

[Blueprotoss]

Emeraldfern wrote...

June 22

Yet you still forget Second Life isn't a ME game and this still doesn't mean that he browses any of the forums.  He's just like any other voice actor in most of the video game franchises including ME.

[Blueprotoss]

Bluecansam wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Bluecansam wrote...

"Deconstructive criticism" isn't actually a thing, but okay, enlighten me. What's the difference between deconstructive criticism and constructive criticism?

Yet there is always negative and positive like how there's always a light and shadow or a yin and yang.

That doesn't answer my question. Use examples, if you'd like.

I'm fine with Thane dieing in ME3 just like Mordin, Legion, and Miranda dieing for me as well.  Characters are written in certaiin ways just like how Thane, Mordin, Legion, and Miranda had their own roles for the trilogy.

[Bluecansam]

How is any of that constructive? Or deconstructive? Or criticism, for that matter?

[Emeraldfern]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Emeraldfern wrote...

June 22

Yet you still forget Second Life isn't a ME game and this still doesn't mean that he browses any of the forums. He's just like any other voice actor in most of the video game franchises including ME.

Tis' odd that he would write this then:

"If you want to support the effort: Feel free to follow @savethane on twitter"

Blueprotoss wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

 um you do know that he meant the other DLCs right, and the "cure" for Thane has been mentioned before so watch how throw words at people

If there was a "cure' then it wold have been mentioned in the games not from a script that had cut content. If you really want to practice what you preach then you should watch how throw words at people.

Pray tell what is this cut content you speak of?

The mentions of possible treatments for Kepral's Syndrome I have seen were either referenced in-game in ME2 via both dialogue and LoTSB, or CDN (Cerberus News Network) articles which technically are in-game, as long as you used a Cerberus pass and were on-line.

[AresKeith]

Blueprotoss wrote...

Bluecansam wrote...

Blueprotoss wrote...

Bluecansam wrote...

"Deconstructive criticism" isn't actually a thing, but okay, enlighten me. What's the difference between deconstructive criticism and constructive criticism?

Yet there is always negative and positive like how there's always a light and shadow or a yin and yang.

That doesn't answer my question. Use examples, if you'd like.

I'm fine with Thane dieing in ME3 just like Mordin, Legion, and Miranda dieing for me as well.  Characters are written in certaiin ways just like how Thane, Mordin, Legion, and Miranda had their own roles for the trilogy.

you can keep Mordin and Miranda alive, but I cured the genophage so my Mordin died, ME charcters were always written based of your choices, most of that changed in ME3